Re: [Dorset] Openoffice 3.3.0
On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:05:39 -, C A Wills infocawi...@talktalk.net wrote: No, the core fonts are installed; it's the latest new fonts in Win 7 Office which cause a problem, to do with spacing again, they throw out the format. Would it not be a whole host easier to ask students to submit work in a final document format? Not in a working draft format. I'd suggest PDF for this. This would eliminate all but the most obscure of formatting issues. It would also allow students who do/can want to move away from MS Office to do so freely. -- Robert Bronsdon -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday 2011-04-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Openoffice 3.3.0
On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 13:39 +, Robert Bronsdon wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:05:39 -, C A Wills infocawi...@talktalk.net wrote: No, the core fonts are installed; it's the latest new fonts in Win 7 Office which cause a problem, to do with spacing again, they throw out the format. Would it not be a whole host easier to ask students to submit work in a final document format? Not in a working draft format. I'd suggest PDF for this. This would eliminate all but the most obscure of formatting issues. It would also allow students who do/can want to move away from MS Office to do so freely. Yes, that would work. But as this is not a final document- which has to be submitted as a PDF btw - and I sometimes edit the document with my comments and send it back which I can't do with a pdf, I do suggest that they send it to me as a '.doc' rather than a .docx. They don't like that because they may lose some fancy formatting. I had a quick look at two of them and they were in Arial. It might be better to suggest that they use openOffice/Libreoffice ;) P. -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday 2011-04-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Openoffice 3.3.0
On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 00:05 +, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Hi, John Cooper wrote: If you are talking about MS corefonts they are copyrighted but you are free to distribute and use as many copies as you like as long as it contains everything in the release. A very rare case for M$ and they probably now regret it. http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/eula.htm On Ubuntu 10.10 I think the installer for them is packaged as sudo apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer Cheers, Ralph. Just did that and it said that this machine was already the latest version. Either it is part of Kubuntu 10.10, or perhaps done by LibreOffice the other day. Cheers, peter -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday 2011-04-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Openoffice 3.3.0
Peter I recently read that someone had done some tests on formatting text from/to MS Office. They found that changing the font to a particular serif font got the formatting almost exact. Trouble is I can't remember which Linux font it was, I'll keep looking for it. Also they said M$ had changed the newer Office default font to a new M$ copyrighted font to stop people moving away from M$!! It would be interesting to confirm both the above. C A Wills On 19/03/11 09:09, Peter Merchant wrote: On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 17:33 +, John Carlyle-Clarke wrote: On 16/03/11 09:50, Chris Dennis wrote: I'm running Ubuntu 10.10. I thought I'd try LibreOffice, so I added this to my sources.list: http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu maverick main Which reminds me, I spotted a neat way to add repos in Ubuntu that's new. It may be old news to some, but you can do:- sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice This will add the GPG key too. John Bye-Bye OpenOffice, Hello LibreOffice I downloaded it from here: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ Works OK, except that I haven't got rid of the file associations on xls spreadsheets that I have. OpenOffice is no longer in the associations list, But when I click on file in Dolphin, It tries to open it in openoffice. I have to right click and select Libreoffice. Oh, and it really B*ggered the formatting in a students docx file :) Peter -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday 2011-04-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday 2011-04-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Openoffice 3.3.0
On 19/03/11 18:28, C A Wills wrote: Peter I recently read that someone had done some tests on formatting text from/to MS Office. They found that changing the font to a particular serif font got the formatting almost exact. Trouble is I can't remember which Linux font it was, I'll keep looking for it. I would have thought installing the MS core fonts would be the best bet for this, as then you have the most commonly use ones Arial, Times New Roman, Verdana. I still find the razor sharp Tahoma, also included in MS core fonts, unbeatable for desktop menu fonts, but it's essential to disable anti-aliasing for this and other bytecode interpreted fonts. Tim Also they said M$ had changed the newer Office default font to a new M$ copyrighted font to stop people moving away from M$!! It would be interesting to confirm both the above. C A Wills On 19/03/11 09:09, Peter Merchant wrote: On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 17:33 +, John Carlyle-Clarke wrote: On 16/03/11 09:50, Chris Dennis wrote: I'm running Ubuntu 10.10. I thought I'd try LibreOffice, so I added this to my sources.list: http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu maverick main Which reminds me, I spotted a neat way to add repos in Ubuntu that's new. It may be old news to some, but you can do:- sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice This will add the GPG key too. John Bye-Bye OpenOffice, Hello LibreOffice I downloaded it from here: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ Works OK, except that I haven't got rid of the file associations on xls spreadsheets that I have. OpenOffice is no longer in the associations list, But when I click on file in Dolphin, It tries to open it in openoffice. I have to right click and select Libreoffice. Oh, and it really B*ggered the formatting in a students docx file :) Peter -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday 2011-04-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday 2011-04-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday 2011-04-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Openoffice 3.3.0
On 19/03/11 22:48, C A Wills wrote: Noted Tims reply but that's using M$ fonts which are copyrighted, to keep on the 'right side' you have to have 'M$ Word' installed, see above site. C A Wills If you are talking about MS corefonts they are copyrighted but you are free to distribute and use as many copies as you like as long as it contains everything in the release. A very rare case for M$ and they probably now regret it. http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/eula.htm -- -- Discover Linux - Open Source Solutions to Business and Schools http://discoverlinux.co.uk -- -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday 2011-04-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Openoffice 3.3.0
Hi, John Cooper wrote: If you are talking about MS corefonts they are copyrighted but you are free to distribute and use as many copies as you like as long as it contains everything in the release. A very rare case for M$ and they probably now regret it. http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/eula.htm On Ubuntu 10.10 I think the installer for them is packaged as sudo apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday 2011-04-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Openoffice 3.3.0
On 16/03/11 09:00, Peter Merchant wrote: Be careful - I downloaded and installed this a few moments ago, and now I don't have an Office suite. Still investigating, was in the middle of marking, I think I'll try and revert to the old version for now. Peter Hi Peter- Not sure where you got your OOo 3.3.0 from, or what distro you are using, but I follow the Archlinux developer list, and there was discussion there about replacing OOo with LibreOffice completely. For a while, both have been available, but the maintainer was suggesting adding a replaces tag to the LO packages to make them remove the OOo ones. His reasons I quote here:- LibreOffice has recently proved to be a solid replacement for Oracle OpenOffice. I'm about to drop all Oracle OOo packages from our repos. Then there's the poor distribution support Oracle spends on the distributions. They almost do not care about custom distribution builds and their interest. They break the build against system libs every now and then and it takes ages to contact the relevant devs to fix their bugs. Development is only driven by the profit interests of Oracle... You can put in here all the arguments the Document foundation has given at its birth. He goes on:- So don't expect any efforts to fix bugs in Oracle packages anymore. As soon as they will break due to a .so name bump or something like this I'll remove all the packages from our repos if nobody else is willing to maintain them. Perhaps this indicates that you'd be better trying a LibreOffice package if one is available for your platform? All the best, John -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday 2011-04-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Openoffice 3.3.0
On 16/03/11 09:33, C A Wills wrote: Hi Peter I've changed to LibreOffice and have had no problems I'm running Ubuntu 10.10. I thought I'd try LibreOffice, so I added this to my sources.list: http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu maverick main and installed the full LO suite last week. It automatically removed OO. But I had a few problems: * printing to my Brother HL-5250DN was fine for the first copy of a one-page letter, but subsequent copies were garbled -- the layout was correct, but the characters were random. That's a problem I had a couple of years ago with OO; I don't know what the exact cure was, but the problem went away. * I had printing DL envelopes set up nicely on OO, but printing the same document with LO made a complete mess of it, with the address falling off the top-right corner. So I've reverted to OO for now. cheers Chris -- Chris Dennis cgden...@btinternet.com Fordingbridge, Hampshire, UK -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday 2011-04-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Openoffice 3.3.0
On Wednesday 16 Mar 2011, Chris Dennis wrote: I'm running Ubuntu 10.10. I thought I'd try LibreOffice, so I added this to my sources.list: http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu maverick main Thanks for this. It seems to work OK and, I may be imagining it, but it seems a lot faster than OO.o. But I had a few problems: * printing to my Brother HL-5250DN was fine for the first copy of a one-page letter, but subsequent copies were garbled -- the layout was correct, but the characters were random. That's a problem I had a couple of years ago with OO; I don't know what the exact cure was, but the problem went away. Seems fine to me. * I had printing DL envelopes set up nicely on OO, but printing the same document with LO made a complete mess of it, with the address falling off the top-right corner. I've never set up envelope printing with OO.o, so I can't check this. -- Terry Coles 64 bit computing with Kubuntu Linux -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday 2011-04-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
Re: [Dorset] Openoffice 3.3.0
On 16/03/11 09:50, Chris Dennis wrote: I'm running Ubuntu 10.10. I thought I'd try LibreOffice, so I added this to my sources.list: http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu maverick main Which reminds me, I spotted a neat way to add repos in Ubuntu that's new. It may be old news to some, but you can do:- sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice This will add the GPG key too. John -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday 2011-04-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://goo.gl/4Xue
