Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Frank Cusack
On 6/30/10 6:11 PM -0400 Charles Marcus wrote: That's just plain silly. Virtual users are extremely simple to setup, no need for MySQL unless you have a bunch. I agree. I am always in favor of virtual users, it just gives you a lot more flexibility. I find system users MORE complicated to

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Noel Butler
On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 18:11 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: but if they don't virtual users is just as easy/legitimate as system users with no shell access. I agree, virtual users are not only easier to deal with, it gives you greater flexibility, but most importantly, better security. in the

Re: [Dovecot] Dovecot LDA/LDAP

2010-07-01 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Frank den Hartog wrote: My system runs CentOS 5.5, Postfix 2.3.3 and Dovecot 1.2.11. I try to set up Dovecot LDA. But whatever I'm trying, I fail. 2010-06-30T18:28:12.585128+02:00 h1690641 postfix/pipe[26443]: 84F012A00A55:

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-06-29 4:16 PM, /dev/rob0 wrote: Virtual mailboxes have their place, of course, but they're overused, especially at small sites. I suppose this might be in part because most HOWTOs are for virtual.

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot ldap search result ordering?

2010-07-01 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 26 Jun 2010, chasye wrote: pass_attrs = mail=user, uid=userdb_home=/home/xadmin/%d/%$,userPassword=password pass_filter = ((objectClass=posixAccount)(uid=%u)) default_pass_scheme = SSHA user_attrs = mail=user, uid=home=/home/xadmin/%d/%$

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Steffen Kaiser put forth on 7/1/2010 2:59 AM: It's more a matter of the individuals skill level. Well, a system user setup requires almost no skill of mail-related stuff ;-) Setup? I'd agree--not a lot of skill required. Managing it afterward? That requires mail admin skills, regardless

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 04:01 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Anyone who isn't looking at mail logs or log summaries daily and taking action on any problems needing attention doesn't count as a mail OP. That's one of the most ridiculous things I've seen todate. Do you seriously expect ISP admins

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 19:54:44 +1000 Noel Butler noel.but...@ausics.net articulated: On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 04:01 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Anyone who isn't looking at mail logs or log summaries daily and taking action on any problems needing attention doesn't count as a mail OP.

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 06:14 -0400, Jerry wrote: I agree. If the system is constructed correctly it certainly does not need that sort of attention. There is software available that can monitor the system to a high degree of satisfaction. However, Noel, I firmly believe that there are OPs (SAs

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-06-30 9:03 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Charles Marcus put forth on 6/30/2010 5:11 PM: On 2010-06-29 4:16 PM, /dev/rob0 wrote: Virtual mailboxes have their place, of course, but they're overused, especially at small sites. I suppose this might be in part because most HOWTOs are for

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Phil Howard
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 02:28, Frank Cusack fr...@cusack.net wrote: On 6/30/10 6:11 PM -0400 Charles Marcus wrote: That's just plain silly. Virtual users are extremely simple to setup, no need for MySQL unless you have a bunch. I agree. I am always in favor of virtual users, it just gives you

[Dovecot] address extension going into folder

2010-07-01 Thread Phil Howard
Is it possible with a simple config change to make address extensions, e.g. alice+sa...@example.com, go into a folder, e.g. .INBOX.sales, and do so ONLY if that folder already exists (and just go into INBOX if it does not exist)?

Re: [Dovecot] address extension going into folder

2010-07-01 Thread Edgar Fuß
With Postfix, I use mailbox_command = DOVECOT_LDA -n -e -m ${EXTENSION} where DOVECOT_LDA is the path do dovecot's deliver. The -n switch prevents creation of the IMAP folder. See http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA

[Dovecot] Upgrade Too 1.2.11 Broke Everything

2010-07-01 Thread Marcel Grandemange
Good Day. I have had dovecot working successfully for years now, however after a system update , dovecot refused to start up complaing that im not using absolute paths. It took a bit of hacking to get it working again as can be seen by the sql query, however now imap doesn't work anymore because

Re: [Dovecot] address extension going into folder

2010-07-01 Thread Phil Howard
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 08:47, Edgar Fuß e...@math.uni-bonn.de wrote: With Postfix, I use mailbox_command = DOVECOT_LDA -n -e -m ${EXTENSION} where DOVECOT_LDA is the path do dovecot's deliver. The -n switch prevents creation of the IMAP folder. See http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA But it (-n)

[Dovecot] dovecot 2.0, imap-login killed with signal 11

2010-07-01 Thread Burckhard Schmidt
Hello, I have 2.0.beta6 (3156315704ef) on Solaris. A user can login, if he makes logout imap-login will be killed with signal 11. I tried both: passdb driver ldap and userdb driver ldap, or passdb driver shadow and userdb driver passwd. processes dovecot 20236 20235 0 14:40:28 ?

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 2.0, imap-login killed with signal 11

2010-07-01 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 16:42 +0200, Burckhard Schmidt wrote: imap(userx): Info: Disconnected: Logged out byte... master: Error: service(imap-login): child 20241 killed with signal 11 (core not dumped - set drop_priv_before_exec=yes) Can you get gdb backtrace? The easiest would be if you

Re: [Dovecot] address extension going into folder

2010-07-01 Thread Edgar Fuß
But it (-n) will deliver (rather than reject) into the regular INBOX if the folder for the extension does not exist? Yes, but isn't that what you were asking for? I wonder if that ${EXTENSION} works in master.cf. No. In master.cf, its ${extension}.

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 2.0, imap-login killed with signal 11

2010-07-01 Thread Burckhard Schmidt
Am 01.07.2010 16:49, schrieb Timo Sirainen: On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 16:42 +0200, Burckhard Schmidt wrote: imap(userx): Info: Disconnected: Logged out byte... master: Error: service(imap-login): child 20241 killed with signal 11 (core not dumped - set drop_priv_before_exec=yes) Can you get

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 2.0, imap-login killed with signal 11

2010-07-01 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 17:13 +0200, Burckhard Schmidt wrote: gdb -ppid of imap-login .. Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0xfed57544 in ?? () (gdb) bt full #0 0xfed57544 in ?? () No symbol table info available. I think no good result. Yeah, not useful. I think with

[Dovecot] dovecot 1.2.11/ thunderbird 3.1 - moving folders

2010-07-01 Thread Andre Hübner
Hello List, customers telled me problem when moving folders in thunderbird which i can confirm. Following setup on my side: dovecot 1.2.11 with mbox. Thunderbird 3.1 with ready mailaccount and Server supports folders that contain sub-folders and messages is disabled. i create folder1 for

Re: [Dovecot] Upgrade Too 1.2.11 Broke Everything

2010-07-01 Thread Marcel Grandemange
I have had dovecot working successfully for years now, however after a system update , dovecot refused to start up complaing that im not using absolute paths. In regards to this file the following was changed to make it work... mail_location = mbox:~:INBOX=/var/mail/%u Used to be:

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Noel Butler put forth on 7/1/2010 4:54 AM: On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 04:01 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Anyone who isn't looking at mail logs or log summaries daily and taking action on any problems needing attention doesn't count as a mail OP. That's one of the most ridiculous things

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Charles Marcus put forth on 7/1/2010 6:39 AM: On 2010-06-30 9:03 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Charles Marcus put forth on 6/30/2010 5:11 PM: On 2010-06-29 4:16 PM, /dev/rob0 wrote: Virtual mailboxes have their place, of course, but they're overused, especially at small sites. I suppose this might

Re: [Dovecot] Upgrade Too 1.2.11 Broke Everything

2010-07-01 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 18:57:11 +0200 Marcel Grandemange thavi...@thavinci.za.net articulated: This is where the fault lies, ive fiddled till I got it working but I never had to specify a writable unique home directory in the past, it just worked. I create users via postfixadmin and tried to

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Noel Butler put forth on 7/1/2010 5:32 AM: On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 06:14 -0400, Jerry wrote: I agree. If the system is constructed correctly it certainly does not need that sort of attention. There is software available that can monitor the system to a high degree of satisfaction. However,

Re: [Dovecot] Upgrade Too 1.2.11 Broke Everything

2010-07-01 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 18:57 +0200, Marcel Grandemange wrote: I have done all sorts of work arounds now to continue operating without it by using /var/empty and all that , but now my squirrelmail doesn't work like it should anymore. Uh. You're now using /var/empty, while originally your mails

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:12:37 -0500 Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com articulated: I'd just get a huge kick out of cross posting what the two of you state here to spam-l and watching you get eaten alive due to this runs itself if setup right hands off management approach to email systems.

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 1.2.11/ thunderbird 3.1 - moving folders

2010-07-01 Thread Andre Hübner
- Original Message - From: Timo Sirainen t...@iki.fi To: Andre Hübner andre.hueb...@gmx.de Cc: dovecot@dovecot.org Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 1.2.11/ thunderbird 3.1 - moving folders On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 17:37 +0200, Andre Hübner wrote: i

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 1.2.11/ thunderbird 3.1 - moving folders

2010-07-01 Thread Brad Davidson
At this point thunderbird shows error-message when i start to delete folder1. It tells: [CANNOT] Mailbox is'nt selectable: folder1. AND [NONEXISTENT] Directory folder1 is'nt empty, can't delete it. Yeah, it's a bug. Fixed in v2.0 now .. but since v1.2's code is entirely different

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-07-01 1:04 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Charles Marcus put forth on 7/1/2010 6:39 AM: On 2010-06-30 9:03 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Charles Marcus put forth on 6/30/2010 5:11 PM: Virtual users are extremely simple to setup, no need for MySQL unless you have a bunch. That said, there is

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 1.2.11/ thunderbird 3.1 - moving folders

2010-07-01 Thread Timo Sirainen
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 12:53 -0700, Brad Davidson wrote: I don't see us being able to go to 2.0 until after it's been out of beta for a few months. I hate to see the 'current' branch being deprecated before we have a workable 'stable' alternative to upgrade to. I can see saying no to fixes for

Re: [Dovecot] address extension going into folder

2010-07-01 Thread Phil Howard
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:56, Edgar Fuß e...@math.uni-bonn.de wrote: But it (-n) will deliver (rather than reject) into the regular INBOX if the folder for the extension does not exist? Yes, but isn't that what you were asking for? Yes, but your statement was about what you did, and I wasn't

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 12:12 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Mail Administration is not complicated, all too many people like to over complicate their setups and only cause themselves work. I've had more than one CEO in the past say to me that they like to see key NOC staff doing

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Charles Sprickman
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Noel Butler wrote: (I wrote a script to convert from vpopmail structure to a better structure when we moved from that mess to postfix/dovecot/mysql a few years back, that conversion, including moving mail took all of 45 minutes, most of that was copying mail, in the early

[Dovecot] do Dovecot userdb and passwd filles need to be postmap'd

2010-07-01 Thread Hans Neukomm
Hi all I am unsure if dovecot files like userdb and passwd also need to be postmap'd i.e. postmap userdb or userdb passwd when I use the typical data format for creating userdp postmap outputs the error postmap userdb

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 18:16 -0400, Charles Sprickman wrote: On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Noel Butler wrote: (I wrote a script to convert from vpopmail structure to a better structure when we moved from that mess to postfix/dovecot/mysql a few years back, that conversion, including moving mail

Re: [Dovecot] system v. virtual mailboxes, was Re: Thunderbird problem

2010-07-01 Thread Frank Cusack
On 7/1/10 9:59 AM +0200 Steffen Kaiser wrote: I do _not_ argue about security here. I really wonder why some distros still allow ssh-access by default for every user and some don't. Even a virtual-user based setup requires system users, so one cannot ignore uid related security either. huh?