Re: [Dovecot] sieve

2012-11-06 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 11/6/2012 2:29 AM, Christian Rößner wrote: Another solution would be to write some kind of milter/policy-service with a web-interface, where people can reject mails directly on the postfix side. But this is a lot of work. Use a web interface that requires auth. But I'd not use a

Re: [Dovecot] mail open slowly

2012-10-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/27/2012 6:58 AM, Bernics Gábor | Penta Unió Zrt. wrote: I use dovecot LDA (+sieve) with maildir. conf: http://pastebin.com/9fhYD58g Next time simply paste dovecot -n output into your email. Assuming Dovecot is the only program accessing the maildirs, try:

Re: [Dovecot] When are search indexes updated?

2012-10-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/27/2012 3:00 PM, David Abrahams wrote: I noticed that occasionally searching in my huge archive mailbox can be really slow, so I tried doveadm index on it and it seemed to do a lot of work, which seemed strange given, for example, that dovecot-lda says it keeps Dovecot index files

Re: [Dovecot] Locking /var/mail/user issue with postfix and dovecot

2012-10-26 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/25/2012 10:54 PM, Ben Morrow wrote: At 7PM -0500 on 25/10/12 you (Stan Hoeppner) wrote: On 10/25/2012 4:24 PM, Ben Morrow wrote: At 1PM -0500 on 25/10/12 you (Stan Hoeppner) wrote: Switch Postfix to use the Dovecot Local Deliver Agent (LDA) in place of the Postfix local/virtual

Re: [Dovecot] Locking /var/mail/user issue with postfix and dovecot

2012-10-26 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/25/2012 11:16 PM, Ben Morrow wrote: At 1AM +0300 on 26/10/12 you (Robert JR) wrote: On 2012-10-26 00:15, Ben Morrow wrote: As Stan said earlier, this is a Postfix question. The rule for [Looking back at the thread it wasn't Stan, it was Dennis Guhl. Sorry about that.] I prodded him

Re: [Dovecot] Locking /var/mail/user issue with postfix and dovecot

2012-10-26 Thread Stan Hoeppner
You are a well of accessible knowledge Ben. (How have I missed your posts in the past?) On 10/26/2012 3:11 AM, Ben Morrow wrote: Assuming you have mailbox_command = /.../dovecot-lda -a ${RECIPIENT} I'm setup for system users so it's a simpler, but yes. or something equivalent in

Re: [Dovecot] Rebuilding indexes fails on inconsistent mdbox

2012-10-26 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/26/2012 1:29 PM, Milan Holzäpfel wrote: On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:01:24 -0500 Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: On 10/24/2012 6:28 AM, Milan Holzäpfel wrote: I have a problem with an incosistent mdbox: ... four hours after the problem initially appeared, I did a hard reset

Re: [Dovecot] Rebuilding indexes fails on inconsistent mdbox

2012-10-26 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/26/2012 1:30 PM, Milan Holzäpfel wrote: On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 13:28:11 +0200 Milan Holzäpfel lis...@mjh.name wrote: I have a problem with an incosistent mdbox: [...] The problem appeared out of nowhere. [...] That's just wrong. Two minutes before the corruption occured for the

Re: [Dovecot] Locking /var/mail/user issue with postfix and dovecot

2012-10-25 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/25/2012 2:23 AM, Robert JR wrote: On 2012-10-25 06:57, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 10/24/2012 3:04 PM, Robert JR wrote: I have a question regarding mailbox locking and hope any one can help me to better understanding the locking of mbox My Postfix lock option is fcntl dotlock

Re: [Dovecot] Locking /var/mail/user issue with postfix and dovecot

2012-10-25 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/25/2012 1:00 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Switch Postfix to use the Dovecot Local Deliver Agent (LDA) in place of the Postfix local/virtual delivery agent. Using Dovecot LDA eliminates the file locking issue. Thus it also increases throughput as lock latency is eliminated. It also

Re: [Dovecot] Creating Maildir and populating with emails via external Python process

2012-10-25 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/25/2012 1:01 PM, Bradley Rintoul wrote: the individual emails which the user receives are actually downloaded and put into the Maildir repository using a Python email client (POP3 client). Tell us more about this. This doesn't sound like 'normal' email being fetched from an

Re: [Dovecot] Locking /var/mail/user issue with postfix and dovecot

2012-10-25 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/25/2012 12:38 PM, Robert JR wrote: On 2012-10-25 21:23, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 10/25/2012 1:00 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Switch Postfix to use the Dovecot Local Deliver Agent (LDA) in place of the Postfix local/virtual delivery agent. Using Dovecot LDA eliminates the file locking

Re: [Dovecot] Creating Maildir and populating with emails via external Python process

2012-10-25 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/25/2012 2:13 PM, Bradley Rintoul wrote: Let's say someone has an account with Yahoo, for example. My Python code is fetching email from the user's Yahoo! account and placing it into the Dovecot Maildir storage for a particular user. Now when the user retrieves their mail,

Re: [Dovecot] Locking /var/mail/user issue with postfix and dovecot

2012-10-25 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/25/2012 2:42 PM, Robert JR wrote: Thanks again Stan, you are very helpfull, i will start learning how to configure LDA, but hopefully i can also have an answer from Timo about why this issue happened.. i am sure he is aware of it and can explain it.. Probably not. You describe a dot

Re: [Dovecot] Locking /var/mail/user issue with postfix and dovecot

2012-10-25 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/25/2012 4:24 PM, Ben Morrow wrote: At 1PM -0500 on 25/10/12 you (Stan Hoeppner) wrote: Yes, actually I did, but I missed one part of it because I assumed you had Dovecot setup properly. It doesn't matter if the mbox locks are write or read or both. Locks are the problem, period

Re: [Dovecot] Locking /var/mail/user issue with postfix and dovecot

2012-10-25 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/25/2012 1:23 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: I forgot to mention one very important feature of Dovecot LDA: New messages delivered by Postfix are indexed by LDA as they are written to the mailbox, flags updated at this time, etc. Thus when a mailbox is opened in an IMAP MUA, new messages

Re: [Dovecot] Rebuilding indexes fails on inconsistent mdbox

2012-10-24 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/24/2012 6:28 AM, Milan Holzäpfel wrote: I have a problem with an incosistent mdbox: ... four hours after the problem initially appeared, I did a hard reset of the system because it was unresponsive. ... Can anybody say something about this? May the mdbox be repaired? If the box is

Re: [Dovecot] Rebuilding indexes fails on inconsistent mdbox

2012-10-24 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/24/2012 9:45 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2012-10-24 10:01 AM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: If the box is truly unresponsive, i.e. hard locked, then the corrupted indexes are only a symptom of the underlying problem, which is unrelated to Dovecot, UNLESS, the lack

Re: [Dovecot] Locking /var/mail/user issue with postfix and dovecot

2012-10-24 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/24/2012 3:04 PM, Robert JR wrote: I have a question regarding mailbox locking and hope any one can help me to better understanding the locking of mbox My Postfix lock option is fcntl dotlock mailbox_delivery_lock = fcntl, dotlock virtual_mailbox_lock = fcntl, dotlock My Dovecot

Re: [Dovecot] some questions on dovecot or rather a mail system setup

2012-10-09 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/8/2012 4:37 PM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: The proper way to accomplish your goals, or at least the big ones. - I generally want to have _all_ mail (which is not sorted out because of being spam) to be archived at the local server. http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#always_bcc

Re: [Dovecot] some questions on dovecot or rather a mail system setup

2012-10-09 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/9/2012 2:57 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#always_bcc Correction. In your case you'll need to use: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#recipient_bcc_maps Because you said you only want to archive email for some users, not simply all mail received

Re: [Dovecot] [OT] How do I convert maildir to bsmtp format?

2012-10-08 Thread Stan Hoeppner
This request for assistance is a train wreck, with cars strewn everywhere, chaos ensuing, the carnage preventing everyone from being able to see what's actually going on... On 10/7/2012 2:47 PM, Marc Perkel wrote: Here's what I'm trying to do. I have a spam filtering operation as a front end

Re: [Dovecot] Large subjects increase memory-usage and enlarge index-files

2012-10-08 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/7/2012 7:11 PM, Timo Sirainen wrote: I don't think dovecot.index file is much of a problem. With 1M mails it usually only takes something like 8-32 MB of memory depending on what mailbox format is used. dovecot.index.log file doesn't depend on the mailbox size at all. The main

Re: [Dovecot] Log NAT IP address?

2012-09-30 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 9/30/2012 8:02 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: Hi Timo/everyone, Currently we are logging the remote IP, but is there a way to show the IP address that the NAT connection is coming from? The reason I ask is, we are changing ISPs, and I would like to see in the logs when an external

Re: [Dovecot] 76Gb to 146Gb

2012-09-26 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 9/25/2012 12:29 AM, Spyros Tsiolis wrote: My clients don't invest in hardware. I live in Greece. Things are really bad right now. Not that if they were better they (the client) would invest in their infrastructure. ... Thank you very much Stan for you kind reply. I reply to you in

Re: [Dovecot] 76Gb to 146Gb

2012-09-24 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 9/24/2012 1:42 PM, Spyros Tsiolis wrote: Having said that, would it be possible to take away on 72Gb drive (say Drive1 the second drive) and shove in one of the two 146Gb ones ? It's always best to manually take a drive off line before pulling it. Shouldn't the array be rebuilt ?

Re: [Dovecot] Can`t get over 1024 processes on FreeBSD - possible bug?

2012-09-21 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 9/21/2012 4:32 AM, Tomáš Randa wrote: Hello, I still cannot get dovecot running with more then 1000 processes, but hard limit is 8192 per user in box. I tried everything, including modifying startup script of dovecot to set ulimit -u 8192. What is your value for kern.maxusers? Did you

Re: [Dovecot] thunderbird not connecting

2012-09-05 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 9/5/2012 6:02 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2012-09-05 6:23 AM, cc maco young bangkokm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Stan Hoeppners...@hardwarefreak.comwrote: What does TB activity manager say? Activity Manager is blank as an update, went to Claws email client.

Re: [Dovecot] thunderbird not connecting

2012-09-04 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 9/3/2012 11:21 PM, cc young wrote: cannot get TB to recognize either pop3/s or imap/s server can connect just fine with: openssl s_client -connect ms1.myserver.net:993 . login ... but trying with TB /var/log/mail.log gets: dovecot: pop3-login: Aborted login (no auth attempts):

Re: [Dovecot] Anyone else seeing lots of random duplicate messages???

2012-09-04 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 9/4/2012 11:37 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: Almost every message I'm getting through this list is duplicated, down to the same exact message-ID... Anyone else seeing this? Nope. Make any changes to Postfix or your script recently? -- Stan

Re: [Dovecot] Size of Mailbox affecting the sending of mail?

2012-08-25 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 8/24/2012 8:49 AM, Tim Smith wrote: My next guess was the upstream data rate. My router states that the upstream is 10x slower than downstream so I guess this is the culprit. Time to move to a VPS methinks... Ok, you stated that you have multiple user PCs that are slow when sending. I

Re: [Dovecot] Size of Mailbox affecting the sending of mail?

2012-08-24 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 8/24/2012 5:53 AM, Tim Smith wrote: Hay Tim, Having set up my mail server (Dovecot/Postfix), users are experiencing long delays (a couple of minutes) when sending mail from mail client such as Thunderbird - this increases with attachments. Having had a brief discussion with someone, they

Re: [Dovecot] Listen on multiple ports possible using same protocol?

2012-08-14 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 8/14/2012 5:12 PM, Michael Durket wrote: Is it possible to have multiple Listen directives in a dovecot configuration file for the same protocol? I am running dovecot-1.2.11 and I want to be able to use the standard port as well as a test port: protocol imap { listen = *:143

Re: [Dovecot] HA Mailbox Design

2012-08-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 8/11/2012 8:02 AM, Nikolaos Milas wrote: 1. Under normal conditions, mail2.example.com is a full mirror of mail1.example.com; when any mail message is added/viewed/moved/removed etc. to any user's folder or any folder is added/viewed/moved/removed etc. at mail1.example.com, we want it to

Re: [Dovecot] HA Mailbox Design

2012-08-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 8/11/2012 11:52 AM, Daniel Parthey wrote: Nikolaos Milas wrote: On 10/8/2012 4:47 πμ, Stan Hoeppner wrote: That begs the question, what is your definition of a Highly Available Mail Server? What is it that you actually want to accomplish? In some detail please. 1. Under normal

Re: [Dovecot] HA Mailbox Design

2012-08-09 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 8/9/2012 9:58 AM, Nikolaos Milas wrote: Hi, We would like to implement a Highly Available Mail Server and would like to ask advice on how to architect this. Some details on our setup: Currently we have only one internal mail server (Postfix/Dovecot 2.0 - planning to move to 2.1),

Re: [Dovecot] what best for anti-spam filter?

2012-07-24 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/24/2012 7:13 AM, Morten Stevens wrote: Jul 24 12:27:32 mx1 sendmail[31933]: q6OARUOM031928: to=dovecot@dovecot.org, delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=152317, relay=dovecot.org. [193.210.130.67], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as 35AF81AE8359) Jul 24 12:28:32 mx1

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 2.x via xinetd

2012-07-23 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/23/2012 5:54 AM, Mathieu Roy wrote: Le lundi 23 juillet 2012, Timo Sirainen a écrit : If you've compiled with tcpwrappers, you can do: login_access_sockets = tcpwrap I use debian stock version, I'll check that and recompile if need be. Debian stable has Dovecot 1.2.15, and I don't see

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot 2.x via xinetd

2012-07-23 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/23/2012 6:52 AM, e-frog wrote: On 23.07.2012 13:23, wrote Stan Hoeppner: On 7/23/2012 5:54 AM, Mathieu Roy wrote: Le lundi 23 juillet 2012, Timo Sirainen a écrit : If you've compiled with tcpwrappers, you can do: login_access_sockets = tcpwrap I use debian stock version, I'll check

Re: [Dovecot] Converting from Maildir format ?

2012-07-20 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/20/2012 12:13 AM, n...@5sg.eu wrote: Show 'dovecot -n' output It shows it - and 'plugin: convert_mail: mbox:%h/%u/mail' I also changed it in dovecot/conf.d/01-dovecot-postfix.conf Show 'dovecot -n' output means exactly that. You did not. It's very difficult to help

Re: [Dovecot] Converting from Maildir format ?

2012-07-18 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/18/2012 4:39 PM, n...@5sg.eu wrote: Hi again, I'm still trying to find out if anyone knows the correct way to either switch the existing Maildir multiple file format to the single file format I believe known as MBox. Failing that, though it'll mean a LOT of work for me

Re: [Dovecot] doesn't work at all

2012-07-18 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/18/2012 5:21 PM, David Drexler wrote: Hi, I can't seem to get dovecot to work. When I connect with thunderbird, tbird complains that it can't find the settings for my email. When I connect with evolution, it seems to go through all the motions but it doesn't pick up the waiting

Re: [Dovecot] Maildir messages

2012-07-13 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/13/2012 4:09 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: specifically from a filesystem IO perspective: 1. new mail delivery not much difference. maildir requires 3 (or is it 4?) metadata operations and a file write op mbox requires a single file append operation. 2. searching a mailbox folder

Re: [Dovecot] Maildir messages

2012-07-13 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/13/2012 7:28 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: not much difference. maildir requires 3 (or is it 4?) metadata operations and a file write op your remarks are mostly true, except concentrates too much on uncommon situations and uncommon strange case of probably tens of thousands of mail

Re: [Dovecot] Maildir messages

2012-07-12 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/12/2012 5:32 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: i don't really understand why you want to do it, single file mailboxes are plain inefficient. mbox is more efficient than maildir for many common operations, specifically from a filesystem IO perspective: 1. new mail delivery 2. searching a

Re: [Dovecot] different mail_max_userip settings

2012-07-10 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/10/2012 2:24 AM, Federico Bianchi wrote: Is it possible to have mail_max_userip set to a value for localhost (webmail) and to another value for everything else? mail_max_userip as the name suggests is a per user IMAP socket connection limit. So you should be able to set it to one value

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-09 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/9/2012 3:17 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.07.2012 07:48, schrieb Wojciech Puchar: disagreed with my statement, then agreed with it. Apparently you didn't realize you did so. Would you please clarify what I stated that is simply not true? You comment WRT SSD doesn't prove anything

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-09 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/9/2012 2:41 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.07.2012 21:29, schrieb Stan Hoeppner: On 7/9/2012 3:17 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.07.2012 07:48, schrieb Wojciech Puchar: disagreed with my statement, then agreed with it. Apparently you didn't realize you did so. Would you please

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-08 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/8/2012 8:27 AM, Patrick Domack wrote: Quoting Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: I think there are optimal situations where any configuration looks good . . How often can a real-world disk actually deliver the 6Gbs when only a minority of disk reads are long sequential

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-08 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/8/2012 5:16 PM, Matthias-Christian Ott wrote: On 2012-07-08 23:29, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 7/8/2012 8:27 AM, Patrick Domack wrote: Quoting Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: I think there are optimal situations where any configuration looks good . . How often can a real

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-07 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/6/2012 2:16 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: You wouldn't partition the large LUN. You'd simply directly format it with XFS. Laying a partition table on it would introduce the real Fine. i understand that. What i am suggesting is not making large LUNs. you get the best performance with

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/5/2012 2:44 AM, Adrian M wrote: Hi Stan, I know how to add drives to the storage and how to grow the existing filesystem, but such big filesystems are somehow new to mainstream linux. Yes, I know some university out there already have pentabytes filesystems, but right now stable linux

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-05 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/5/2012 6:36 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: At 16TB+ scale with maildir you should be using XFS on kernel 3.x, not EXT4. Your performance will be significantly better, as in 30% or much why you want to make 16TB partition at first place? You wouldn't partition the large LUN. You'd simply

Re: [Dovecot] Howto add another disk storage

2012-07-04 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/4/2012 4:09 PM, Adrian Minta wrote: On 07/04/12 23:22, J E Lyon wrote: On 4 Jul 2012, at 21:01, Adrian Minta wrote: What is the best strategy to add another storage to an existing virtual mail system ? Move some domains to the new storage and create symlinks ? Switch to dovecot hashing

Re: [Dovecot] RAID1+md concat+XFS as mailstorage

2012-07-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
. -- Stan -Original Message- From: dovecot-boun...@dovecot.org [mailto:dovecot-boun...@dovecot.org] On Behalf Of Stan Hoeppner Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 4:24 PM To: dovecot@dovecot.org Subject: Re: [Dovecot] RAID1+md concat+XFS as mailstorage On 6/28/2012 7:15 AM, Ed W wrote

Re: [Dovecot] RAID1+md concat+XFS as mailstorage

2012-07-01 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 7/1/2012 5:48 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2012-07-01 3:17 AM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: In a production environment, the mirror pairs will be duplexed across two SAS/SATA controllers. Duplexing the mirrors makes a concat/RAID1, and a properly configured RAID10

Re: [Dovecot] RAID1+md concat+XFS as mailstorage

2012-06-29 Thread Stan Hoeppner
will yield a different result. One should not be surprised that something breaks when he intentionally attempts to break it. This is the configuration endorsed by Stan Hoeppner. Yes. It works very well for metadata heavy workloads, i.e. maildir. -- Stan

Re: [Dovecot] GlusterFS + Dovecot

2012-06-21 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 6/20/2012 10:50 AM, Romer Ventura wrote: Has anyone used GlusterFS as storage file system for dovecot or any other email system? I have not, but can tell you from experience and education that distributed filesystems don't work well with transactional workloads such as IMAP and SMTP. The

Re: [Dovecot] per-mailbox message limits

2012-05-29 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/29/2012 1:14 PM, Alan Brown wrote: (It was hard enough getting permission to move to Maildir format. My manager is a confirmed VMS-head who regards all Unix formats as unreliable and the newer they are the less he trusts them.) Your manager should have become extinct simultaneously with

Re: [Dovecot] Berkeley DB with Dovecot

2012-05-20 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/20/2012 6:19 AM, Jerry wrote: I have a friend who is preparing to set up a small Postfix/Dovecot mail system. There are only approximately 25 users. He wants to use Berkeley DB in a similar fashion to the way Postfix does. I told him I do not believe Dovecot supports that. I could not

Re: [Dovecot] BEWARE: This list is being harvested for leads

2012-05-17 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/17/2012 9:45 AM, Timo Sirainen wrote: The list included only .com addresses, with gmail/yahoo/etc removed. I'm sure Tim will be happy to send you the email if you ask it from him. :) But not all .com's. I didn't receive such an email. Which means you sat down and spent some amount of

Re: [Dovecot] BEWARE: This list is being harvested for leads

2012-05-17 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/17/2012 3:19 PM, Timo Sirainen wrote: On 17.5.2012, at 22.56, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 5/17/2012 9:45 AM, Timo Sirainen wrote: The list included only .com addresses, with gmail/yahoo/etc removed. I'm sure Tim will be happy to send you the email if you ask it from him. :) But not all

Re: [Dovecot] Can we know when a user read our email?

2012-05-14 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/14/2012 7:18 PM, Beto Moreno wrote: This feature I'm speaking is users from the same domain not externals domains. Maybe is a Exchange feature I don't know because I have seen the email client but just the client side and don't have any contact with the IT side. I've only seen this

Re: [Dovecot] index IO patterns

2012-05-12 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/12/2012 2:26 AM, Cor Bosman wrote: The indexes are doing a lot of iops on the metrocluster, and it's a bit of an expensive option for something it's not even that good at. This clears things up a bit. Im aiming for something with 2 servers, each with a 12 disk enclosure with SSD for

Re: [Dovecot] index IO patterns

2012-05-12 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/12/2012 2:32 AM, Cor Bosman wrote: Mail is always a random IO workload, unless your mailbox count is 1, whether accessing indexes or mail files. Regarding the other two questions, you'll likely need to take your own measurements. Wait, maybe there is a misunderstanding. I mean the IO

Re: [Dovecot] index IO patterns

2012-05-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 5/11/2012 1:41 AM, Cor Bosman wrote: Hey all, we're in the process of checking out alternatives to our index storage. We're currently storing indexes on a NetApp Metrocluster which works fine, but is very expensive. We're planning a few different setups and doing some actual performance

Re: [Dovecot] Configuration advices for a 50000 mailboxes server(s)

2012-04-21 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/21/2012 4:52 AM, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote: On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 07:31:13PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: This issue has come up twice on the Postfix list in less than a month. Oh, thanks! I'll look into those list posts.. I had mostly given up solving this by rate limits and decided

Re: [Dovecot] Configuration advices for a 50000 mailboxes server(s)

2012-04-20 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/19/2012 4:40 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 4/17/2012 8:01 AM, Frank Bonnet wrote: have 4000/6000 imaps concurent connections during working hours . for approx 50K intensives users. The only mandatory thing will be I must use HP proliant servers The operating system will be FreeBSD

Re: [Dovecot] Configuration advices for a 50000 mailboxes server(s)

2012-04-19 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/17/2012 8:01 AM, Frank Bonnet wrote: have 4000/6000 imaps concurent connections during working hours . POP3 users will be very few How much disk space do you plan to offer per user mail directory? Will you be using quotas? I need some feedbacks advices of experienced admins I will

Re: [Dovecot] Better to use a single large storage server or multiple smaller for mdbox?

2012-04-14 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/14/2012 5:04 AM, Jan-Frode Myklebust wrote: On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 07:33:19AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: What I meant wasn't the drive throwing uncorrectable read errors but the drives are returning different data that each think is correct or both may have sent the correct data

Re: [Dovecot] Better to use a single large storage server or multiple smaller for mdbox?

2012-04-14 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/14/2012 5:00 AM, Ed W wrote: On 14/04/2012 04:48, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 4/13/2012 10:31 AM, Ed W wrote: You mean those answers like: you need to read 'those' articles again Referring to some unknown and hard to find previous emails is not the same as answering? No, referring

Re: [Dovecot] Better to use a single large storage server or multiple smaller for mdbox?

2012-04-13 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/13/2012 1:12 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 4/12/12, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: On 4/11/2012 9:23 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: I suppose the controller could throw an error if the two drives returned data that didn't agree with each other but it wouldn't know which

Re: [Dovecot] Better to use a single large storage server or multiple smaller for mdbox?

2012-04-13 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/13/2012 8:12 AM, Jim Lawson wrote: On 04/13/2012 08:33 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: What I meant wasn't the drive throwing uncorrectable read errors but the drives are returning different data that each think is correct or both may have sent the correct data but one of the set got corrupted

Re: [Dovecot] Better to use a single large storage server or multiple smaller for mdbox?

2012-04-13 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/13/2012 10:31 AM, Ed W wrote: On 13/04/2012 13:33, Stan Hoeppner wrote: In closing, I'll simply say this: If hardware, whether a mobo-down SATA chip, or a $100K SGI SAN RAID controller, allowed silent data corruption or transmission to occur, there would be no storage industry

Re: [Dovecot] Better to use a single large storage server or multiple smaller for mdbox?

2012-04-13 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/13/2012 10:31 AM, Ed W wrote: You mean those answers like: you need to read 'those' articles again Referring to some unknown and hard to find previous emails is not the same as answering? No, referring to this: On 4/12/2012 5:58 AM, Ed W wrote: The claim by ZFS/BTRFS authors

Re: [Dovecot] Better to use a single large storage server or multiple smaller for mdbox?

2012-04-12 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/11/2012 9:23 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 4/12/12, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: On 4/11/2012 11:50 AM, Ed W wrote: One of the snags of md RAID1 vs RAID6 is the lack of checksumming in the event of bad blocks. (I'm not sure what actually happens when md scrubbing finds

Re: [Dovecot] Better to use a single large storage server or multiple smaller for mdbox?

2012-04-12 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/12/2012 5:58 AM, Ed W wrote: The claim by ZFS/BTRFS authors and others is that data silently bit rots on it's own. The claim is therefore that you can have a raid1 pair where neither drive reports a hardware failure, but each gives you different data? You need to read those articles

Re: [Dovecot] Better to use a single large storage server or multiple smaller for mdbox?

2012-04-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/10/2012 1:09 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 4/10/12, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: SuperMicro H8SGL G34 mobo w/dual Intel GbE, 2GHz 8-core Opteron 32GB Kingston REG ECC DDR3, LSI 9280-4i4e, Intel 24 port SAS expander 20 x 1TB WD RE4 Enterprise 7.2K SATA2 drives NORCO RPC

Re: [Dovecot] Better to use a single large storage server or multiple smaller for mdbox?

2012-04-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/10/2012 5:22 AM, Adrian Minta wrote: On 04/10/12 08:00, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Interestingly, I designed a COTS server back in January to handle at least 5k concurrent IMAP users, using best of breed components. If you or someone there has the necessary hardware skills, you could assemble

Re: [Dovecot] Better to use a single large storage server or multiple smaller for mdbox?

2012-04-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/11/2012 11:50 AM, Ed W wrote: Re XFS. Have you been watching BTRFS recently? I will concede that despite the authors considering it production ready I won't be using it for my servers just yet. However, it's benchmarking on single disk benchmarks fairly similarly to XFS and in certain

Re: [Dovecot] Better to use a single large storage server or multiple smaller for mdbox?

2012-04-09 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/9/2012 2:15 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: Unfortunately, the usual kind of customers we have here, spending that kind of budget isn't justifiable. The only reason we're providing email services is because customers wanted freebies and they felt there was no reason why we can't give them

Re: [Dovecot] Better to use a single large storage server or multiple smaller for mdbox?

2012-04-08 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/7/2012 9:43 AM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: On 4/7/12, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Firstly, thanks for the comprehensive reply. :) I'll assume networked storage nodes means NFS, not FC/iSCSI SAN, in which case you'd have said SAN. I haven't decided

Re: [Dovecot] Better to use a single large storage server or multiple smaller for mdbox?

2012-04-07 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/5/2012 3:02 PM, Emmanuel Noobadmin wrote: Hi Emmanuel, I'm trying to improve the setup of our Dovecot/Exim mail servers to handle the increasingly huge accounts (everybody thinks it's like infinitely growing storage like gmail and stores everything forever in their email accounts) by

Re: [Dovecot] Better to use a single large storage server or multiple smaller for mdbox?

2012-04-07 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/7/2012 3:45 PM, Robin wrote: Putting XFS on a singe RAID1 pair, as you seem to be describing above for the multiple thin node case, and hitting one node with parallel writes to multiple user mail dirs, you'll get less performance than EXT3/4 on that mirror pair--possibly less than half,

Re: [Dovecot] Dovecot stones

2012-04-02 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/31/2012 4:28 PM, Timo Sirainen wrote: There are only a limited number of such rocks available (we disposed of most of them to our neighbors' yards years ago) :) -- Stan

Re: [Dovecot] dsync redesign

2012-03-29 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/28/2012 3:54 PM, Jeff Gustafson wrote: On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 11:07 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Locally attached/internal/JBOD storage typically offers the best application performance per dollar spent, until you get to things like backup scenarios, where off node network throughput

Re: [Dovecot] dsync redesign

2012-03-28 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/27/2012 3:57 PM, Jeff Gustafson wrote: We do have a FC system that another department is using. The company dropped quite a bit of cash on it for a specific purpose. Our department does not have access it to. People are somewhat afraid of iSCSI around here because they believe it

Re: [Dovecot] dsync redesign

2012-03-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/26/2012 2:34 PM, Jeff Gustafson wrote: Do you have any suggestions for a distributed replicated filesystem that works well with dovecot? I've looked into glusterfs, but the latency is way too high for lots of small files. They claim this problem is fixed in glusterfs 3.3. NFS too

Re: [Dovecot] kernel problem in RedHat? -- RH specific, or what linux kernels does this affect?

2012-03-24 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/24/2012 1:16 AM, Linda Walsh wrote: Is this redhat's version of the kernel only? Or does it apply to other linux kernels and other distros? Any idea what linux kernel versions might cause this? (from main dovecot webpage news) Thu Mar 22 14:38:53 EET 2012 Red Hat/CentOS users:

Re: [Dovecot] distributed mdbox

2012-03-23 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/22/2012 11:17 AM, Jim Lawson wrote: On 03/22/2012 12:11 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 3/21/2012 12:04 PM, Timo Sirainen wrote: The problem is most likely the same as with NFS: Server A caches data - server B modifies data - server A modifies data using stale cached state - corruption

Re: [Dovecot] delivering with maildrop

2012-03-23 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/23/2012 6:41 AM, Radim Kolar wrote: Can somebody provide maildrop syntax for using deliver-lda as final delivery program during sorting mail in user mailfilter? i mean replacement for to statement if ( /^(To|Cc):.*dovecot@dovecot.org/:h ) { to $MAIL/.dovecot/ } Dovecot's local

Re: [Dovecot] distributed mdbox

2012-03-23 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/23/2012 7:13 AM, Jim Lawson wrote: On 3/23/12 3:13 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Speaking as an admin who has run Dovecot on top of GFS both with and without the director, I would never go back to a cluster without the director. The cluster performs *so* much better when glocks can

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot runs from shell, but not xinetd

2012-03-21 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/20/2012 11:26 PM, Mark Jeghers wrote: Hi Stan Afraid it did not help. Here is what I got: *** entered into a telnet session... user ann +OK pass -ERR [IN-USE] Couldn't open INBOX: Internal error occurred. Refer to server log for more information. [2012-03-20 21:16:05]

Re: [Dovecot] distributed mdbox

2012-03-21 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/21/2012 12:04 PM, Timo Sirainen wrote: The problem is most likely the same as with NFS: Server A caches data - server B modifies data - server A modifies data using stale cached state - corruption. Glusterfs works with FUSE, and FUSE has quite similar problems as NFS. With director

Re: [Dovecot] dovecot runs from shell, but not xinetd

2012-03-20 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/20/2012 1:29 PM, Mark Jeghers wrote: All, Below is my config. When I run dovecot from xinetd, I get these errors in the log: Mar 20 11:13:39 t4pserver2 dovecot: pop3-login: Login: user=mark, method=PLAIN, rip=::1, lip=::1, mpid=11624, secured Mar 20 11:13:39 t4pserver2 dovecot:

Re: [Dovecot] Creating an IMAP repo for ~100 users need some advice

2012-03-18 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/17/2012 4:24 PM, Kaya Saman wrote: Long story but we don't have any control over our mail server which is handled by the parent company abroad and is on MS Exchange. To use an IMAP storage solution is the only way to get rid of pesky MS .pst files which have been causing everyone grief

Re: [Dovecot] Multiple locations, 2 servers - planning questions...

2012-03-15 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/15/2012 5:51 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2012-03-01 8:38 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Get yourself a qualified network architect. Pay for a full network traffic analysis. He'll attach sniffers at multiple points in your network to gather traffic/error/etc data

Re: [Dovecot] Shared mboxes

2012-03-07 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/6/2012 3:01 PM, Steve Campbell wrote: I've experienced that type of locked mailbox before on the old server. Users insist on accessing their email account as a pop account on their desktop with the check for new mail every so many minutes turned on and still keep their smartphones on

Re: [Dovecot] Fscking warnings

2012-03-07 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/6/2012 5:07 PM, Stephen Davies wrote: Google tells me that these should go away but they don't. Seems to happen continuously while a user is viewing email. Is this thread what Google tells you? http://dovecot.org/list/dovecot/2010-October/053909.html Timo is the creator of Dovecot, if

Re: [Dovecot] Shared mboxes

2012-03-06 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/6/2012 8:28 AM, Steve Campbell wrote: http://wiki.dovecot.org/SharedMailboxes That's where most of my questions originated, but thanks for the reply. Steve, all the information you need is behind that link. Maybe I'm misunderstanding concepts here Very possibly. What I've done in

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