Re: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-06-05 Thread Noel Butler via dovecot
On 05/06/2023 20:52, Eirik Rye wrote: On 05/06/2023 11:14, Noel Butler via dovecot wrote: [...] Both of you should grow up and keep this argument outside the mailing list. yes mum___ dovecot mailing list -- dovecot@dovecot.org To unsubscribe

Re: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-06-05 Thread Eirik Rye
On 05/06/2023 11:14, Noel Butler via dovecot wrote: [...] Both of you should grow up and keep this argument outside the mailing list. ___ dovecot mailing list -- dovecot@dovecot.org To unsubscribe send an email to dovecot-le...@dovecot.org

Re: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-06-05 Thread Noel Butler via dovecot
On 23/05/2023 17:23, Marc wrote: there is a reason these things cost more than you'll earn in a year. second post in a row showing your lack of knowledge in actual networks, before you make an even bigger ass out of yourself, how about getting some experience in the real world or spending some

RE: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-05-23 Thread Marc
> > > On EMC Unity there is a NAS server parameter that can be > changed to > > > Maybe a bit to much of topic, but why EMC and not something like > ceph? You rarely see any interesting comparisons on line (except of > course the stupid ones listing features) > > >

Re: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-05-22 Thread Noel Butler
On 22/05/2023 22:36, Marc wrote: On EMC Unity there is a NAS server parameter that can be changed to Maybe a bit to much of topic, but why EMC and not something like ceph? You rarely see any interesting comparisons on line (except of course the stupid ones listing features) there is a

Re: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-05-22 Thread Noel Butler
On 22/05/2023 22:33, Marc wrote: used director. real (hardware) load balancers are actually smart and exponentially more reliable and robust than server based :) because there runs no software on it, right this statement here, shows what a clueless newbie you are -- Regards, Noel

RE: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-05-22 Thread Marc
> > On EMC Unity there is a NAS server parameter that can be changed to Maybe a bit to much of topic, but why EMC and not something like ceph? You rarely see any interesting comparisons on line (except of course the stupid ones listing features)

RE: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-05-22 Thread Marc
> used director. real (hardware) load balancers are actually smart and > exponentially more reliable and robust than server based :) > because there runs no software on it, right ___ dovecot mailing list -- dovecot@dovecot.org To unsubscribe send

Re: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-05-22 Thread Noel Butler
Nice to know, similar option doesn't exist on VNX's though On 22/05/2023 17:30, Adrian M wrote: On EMC Unity there is a NAS server parameter that can be changed to disable NFSv4 delegations using the following command, svc_nas -param -facility nfsv4 -modify delegationsEnabled -value 0 On

Re: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-05-22 Thread Adrian M
On EMC Unity there is a NAS server parameter that can be changed to disable NFSv4 delegations using the following command, svc_nas -param -facility nfsv4 -modify delegationsEnabled -value 0 On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 7:34 AM Noel Butler wrote: > > NFSv4, a dozen front ends to an EMC backend,

Re: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-05-21 Thread Patrick Domack
I ran nfs3 with dovecot using dotlock and then nlm lock since 2008, never had an issue, using maildir. I moved to director arouns 2015, and then to mdbox to fix several performance issues. I have moved to nfs4 about 2years ago, but still using director and mdbox. For me to move without

Re: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-05-20 Thread Noel Butler
On 20/05/2023 01:23, Adrian Minta wrote: Hi Pierre, when we tested NFSv4 couple of years ago, we found out that NFSv4 has a caching feature witch delegate file caching to a specific client. This was a problem with same share mounted on multiple servers. The contention will explode the load

Re: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-05-20 Thread D D
Thanks Tom. Are you refering to a proxy software in particular (e.g. Dovecot proxy, Nginx, ...)? Do you mean having a single proxy in front of all the backends? We'd prefer to avoid that if possible, as that makes the proxy a single point of failure. But it seems to be the recommended way to

Re: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-05-20 Thread D D
Thanks for the input! Great to know that you got clusters working with at least some version of NFS without using Director. Were you guys using NLM (Network Lock Manager), dotlock, or something else, to have file locking capabilities with NFSv3? The delegation feature of NFSv4 mentioned by

Re: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-05-19 Thread Tom Reed
> Hi Dovecot community, > > We're looking at running multiple Dovecot backend servers in parallel, all > using the same shared NFSv4.1 mount to store mailboxes in the maildir > format. > Just my experience, you can use multi-IMAP proxy in front of the real IMAP server which has powerful

Re: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-05-19 Thread Michael Peddemors
+1 NFSv3 has always been more stable in our testing.. Will have to put it on the road map to run full testing again, but you know the old adage, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.. ;) On 2023-05-19 08:23, Adrian Minta wrote: Hi Pierre, when we tested NFSv4 couple of years ago,  we found out

Re: Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-05-19 Thread Adrian Minta
Hi Pierre, when we tested NFSv4 couple of years ago,  we found out that NFSv4 has a caching feature witch delegate file caching to a specific client. This was a problem with same share mounted on multiple servers. The contention will explode the load on the clients due to I/O waits and in

Multiple backends with NFSv4.1 (supports file locking): should work without Director, right?

2023-05-19 Thread pierre . alletru
Hi Dovecot community, We're looking at running multiple Dovecot backend servers in parallel, all using the same shared NFSv4.1 mount to store mailboxes in the maildir format. We've read in multiple places that running multiple backends with a shared NFS can result in issues like index files