Re: regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-15 Thread Joseph Tam via dovecot
On Thu, 14 Mar 2019, John Tulp wrote: Encryption is just really not that much of a barrier any more. Spoken like someone who hasn't actually tried breaking any of these algorithms. It's not like every, or event most, cryptologists who designs these algorithms, or analyzes them for

Re: Re: regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-15 Thread Jochen Bern via dovecot
On 03/15/2019 06:03 AM, Gary wrote: > Is there some reason to use a mail.domain.com cert for mail rarher than > just using domain.com for everything? > > Historically the subdomain were used because they were on different > hardware. That is www was on one machine and mail was on another.

Re: regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-15 Thread Gary via dovecot
: Re: regarding ssl certificates With PKIX validation the certificate should match the hostname. With SMTP, the hostname should match the reverse IP though often it does not. Using subdomains gives you flexibility. with DANE validation, it is DNSSEC that validates the fingerprint to the hostname

Re: regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-15 Thread Michael A. Peters via dovecot
was on another.   Original Message From: dovecot@dovecot.org Sent: March 14, 2019 3:56 PM To: dovecot@dovecot.org Reply-to: jtam.h...@gmail.com Subject: Re: regarding ssl certificates mick crane wrote: Apache2 default install has this snake oil certificate Can make a new one

Re: regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-14 Thread Gary via dovecot
: dovecot@dovecot.org Sent: March 14, 2019 3:56 PM To: dovecot@dovecot.org Reply-to: jtam.h...@gmail.com Subject: Re: regarding ssl certificates mick crane wrote: > Apache2 default install has this snake oil certificate > Can make a new one for apache I won't go over some of the excellent

Re: regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-14 Thread John Tulp via dovecot
On Thu, 2019-03-14 at 15:08 +0100, Stephan von Krawczynski via dovecot wrote: > On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 09:51:14 -0400 > Phil Turmel via dovecot wrote: > > > On 3/14/19 7:40 AM, Stephan von Krawczynski via dovecot wrote: > > > > > Sorry I have to write this, but this is again pointing people in a

Re: regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-14 Thread Joseph Tam via dovecot
mick crane wrote: Apache2 default install has this snake oil certificate Can make a new one for apache I won't go over some of the excellent points in previous posts, but I will mention SAN as a third type of certificate you can make. LetsEncrypt supports this type of certificate. This is

Re: regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-14 Thread Phil Turmel via dovecot
On 3/14/19 10:08 AM, Stephan von Krawczynski via dovecot wrote: Some facts for you, as obviously you have not understood what a CA is worth that is compromised by either hackers or "authorities". If you want to know more, read articles about closing of CA DigiNotar, like:

Re: Re: regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-14 Thread Jochen Bern via dovecot
(Sorry for the broken references, my MUA misplaced the e-mail I'm *actually* replying to.) On 03/14/2019 03:08 PM, Stephan von Krawczynski wrote: > Some facts for you, as obviously you have not understood what a CA is worth > that is compromised by either hackers or "authorities". > If you want

Re: regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-14 Thread Stephan von Krawczynski via dovecot
On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 09:51:14 -0400 Phil Turmel via dovecot wrote: > On 3/14/19 7:40 AM, Stephan von Krawczynski via dovecot wrote: > > > Sorry I have to write this, but this is again pointing people in a fake > > security direction. > > You should be sorry, because you are wrong. > > > The

Re: regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-14 Thread Phil Turmel via dovecot
On 3/14/19 7:40 AM, Stephan von Krawczynski via dovecot wrote: Sorry I have to write this, but this is again pointing people in a fake security direction. You should be sorry, because you are wrong. The only valid authority for a certificate is the party using it. Any third party with

Re: regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-14 Thread Kostya Vasilyev via dovecot
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Nikolai Lusan via dovecot wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi, > > So this question means you need to do some more reading about all SSL/TLS > services. > > On Thu, 2019-03-14 at 10:46 +, mick crane via dovecot wrote: > >

Re: regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-14 Thread Nikolai Lusan via dovecot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, So this question means you need to do some more reading about all SSL/TLS services. On Thu, 2019-03-14 at 10:46 +, mick crane via dovecot wrote: > Excuse dopey question. > I'm not exactly clear about certificates. > Apache2 default install

Re: regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-14 Thread Stephan von Krawczynski via dovecot
On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 12:13:15 +0100 "Guido Goluke, MajorLabel via dovecot" wrote: > Op 14-03-19 om 11:46 schreef mick crane via dovecot: > > Excuse dopey question. > > I'm not exactly clear about certificates. > > Apache2 default install has this snake oil certificate > > Can make a new one for

Re: regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-14 Thread Guido Goluke, MajorLabel via dovecot
Op 14-03-19 om 11:46 schreef mick crane via dovecot: Excuse dopey question. I'm not exactly clear about certificates. Apache2 default install has this snake oil certificate Can make a new one for apache Can make one for dovecot Can make one for ssl Is there supposed to be the one (self signed

Re: regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-14 Thread Yassine Chaouche via dovecot
On 3/14/19 11:46 AM, mick crane via dovecot wrote: Excuse dopey question. I'm not exactly clear about certificates. Apache2 default install has this snake oil certificate Can make a new one for apache Can make one for dovecot Can make one for ssl Is there supposed to be the one (self signed )

regarding ssl certificates

2019-03-14 Thread mick crane via dovecot
Excuse dopey question. I'm not exactly clear about certificates. Apache2 default install has this snake oil certificate Can make a new one for apache Can make one for dovecot Can make one for ssl Is there supposed to be the one (self signed ) certificate pair in one place for the machine that