[Dovecot] Fwd: [MORG] IMAP5 List
If anyone's interested, especially client developers. It's been a bit quiet there after the initial rush. Begin forwarded message: From: Randall Gellens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: August 1, 2008 5:08:39 AM EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MORG] IMAP5 List At the MORG BOF, a discussion as to if the proposed IMAP extensions would merely further add to the existing problem with IMAP being too hard to get right, for both clients and servers, let to a revival of the IMAP5 discussion (previous held during the IMAP EAI discussions). Here, IMAP5 refers to a Big Switch (new port and version) to distinguish this revision from current IMAP. The goal is to delete as much as possible from IMAP. A new mailing list now exists for this discussion on drastically slimming-down IMAP to make it easier to implement clients and servers. == To subscribe, click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . == It's been observed that most IMAP clients suck and that it's hard for both clients and servers to implement. One reason IMAP is hard to implement is that it has a lot of options. Often there are several alternative ways to accomplish something. It also has considerable functionality. Is it possible and desirable to start with the current set of (IMAP + all extensions) and consider subtracting as much as possible? The resulting protocol would still be IMAP, but not backwards-compatible with today's IMAP, since some currently-mandated items are likely to be deleted. General information about the IMAP5 mailing list is at: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imap5 . You can subscribe and manage your subscription at https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imap5 . -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal;facts are suspect;I speak for myself only -- Randomly-selected tag: --- If Murphy's Law can go wrong, it will. ___ MORG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/morg Note Well: http://www.ietf.org/maillist.html PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Dovecot] Fwd: [MORG] IMAP5 List
--On Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:17 AM -0400 Timo Sirainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone's interested, especially client developers. It's been a bit quiet there after the initial rush. Very interesting. Thanks for the forward. I'll send this on to the Mulberry developer list. One thing I'd like to see is the ability of the server to notify the client of updates on any folder, not just subscribed or open ones. From what I understand, the client must poll all unsubscribed folders, which can be expensive. If one has a lot of folders (mine count well over 100, due to the large number of mailing lists to which I subscribe, and that I filter to them on the server side), the time to find new mail can be large and costly on the server.
Re: [Dovecot] Fwd: [MORG] IMAP5 List
And I wish to deity. that the IMAP protocol had feedback elements to inform the user of appropriate usage of IT resources, such as green/yellow/red indicators denoting info on the size of messages about to be sent, quotas, etc. Oh, yes, and that the imap alert, part of UWIMAP be made part of the core standard -- Stewart Dean, Unix System Admin, Henderson Computer Resources Center of Bard College, Annandale-on-Hudson, New York 12504 [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: 845-758-7475, fax: 845-758-7035
Re: [Dovecot] Fwd: [MORG] IMAP5 List
On Aug 12, 2008, at 6:04 AM, Kenneth Porter wrote: One thing I'd like to see is the ability of the server to notify the client of updates on any folder, not just subscribed or open ones. From what I understand, the client must poll all unsubscribed folders, which can be expensive. If one has a lot of folders (mine count well over 100, due to the large number of mailing lists to which I subscribe, and that I filter to them on the server side), the time to find new mail can be large and costly on the server. Lemonade group is working on NOTIFY extension for that. But that's only the protocol part, server would still have to be able to optimize it somehow internally. For Dovecot that would mean I should finish/fix mailbox list indexes. PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Dovecot] Fwd: [MORG] IMAP5 List
Timo, Thanks for bringing it up. I dealt with i18n MUA. I would love to see i18n from IMAPEXT (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5255.txt) be part of IMAP5, the mechanism, not all language translations, of course :) And I guess no MUA needs to 'ENABLE' anything in IMAP5. Joseph PS. I had subscribed to the mailing list :) Timo Sirainen wrote: If anyone's interested, especially client developers. It's been a bit quiet there after the initial rush. Begin forwarded message: From: Randall Gellens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: August 1, 2008 5:08:39 AM EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MORG] IMAP5 List At the MORG BOF, a discussion as to if the proposed IMAP extensions would merely further add to the existing problem with IMAP being too hard to get right, for both clients and servers, let to a revival of the IMAP5 discussion (previous held during the IMAP EAI discussions). Here, IMAP5 refers to a Big Switch (new port and version) to distinguish this revision from current IMAP. The goal is to delete as much as possible from IMAP. A new mailing list now exists for this discussion on drastically slimming-down IMAP to make it easier to implement clients and servers. == To subscribe, click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. == It's been observed that most IMAP clients suck and that it's hard for both clients and servers to implement. One reason IMAP is hard to implement is that it has a lot of options. Often there are several alternative ways to accomplish something. It also has considerable functionality. Is it possible and desirable to start with the current set of (IMAP + all extensions) and consider subtracting as much as possible? The resulting protocol would still be IMAP, but not backwards-compatible with today's IMAP, since some currently-mandated items are likely to be deleted. General information about the IMAP5 mailing list is at: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imap5. You can subscribe and manage your subscription at https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imap5. -- Randall Gellens Opinions are personal;facts are suspect;I speak for myself only -- Randomly-selected tag: --- If Murphy's Law can go wrong, it will. ___ MORG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/morg Note Well: http://www.ietf.org/maillist.html
Re: [Dovecot] Fwd: [MORG] IMAP5 List
On Aug 12, 2008, at 9:52 PM, Joseph Yee wrote: Timo, Thanks for bringing it up. I dealt with i18n MUA. I would love to see i18n from IMAPEXT (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5255.txt ) be part of IMAP5, the mechanism, not all language translations, of course :) Dovecot v1.1+ currently supports I18LEVEL=1. Maybe more in future. :) Are you interested more in the comparator selection or the language translations? I don't see the LANGUAGE extension all that useful since most clients won't show the server-given error messages to users anyway.. And I guess no MUA needs to 'ENABLE' anything in IMAP5. I guess we'll see. PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
