Re: [DQSD-Users] Windows 7 RC 64 Bit Install Help needed

2009-05-15 Thread James Nix
Hi Bill,

Personally, I have tried FF (I am not an ideologue in the great MS/Non MS
choices of life).  It has its pros and cons over IE for the technically
adept.  However, my small user base is not very adventurous, or skilled, so
it is far easier to keep their setups as off-the-shelf/turnkey as possible.
It only took some of them a year to realize that DQSD was a taskbar search
tool.  They thought I had just installed a fancy clock. :-)  And YES, that
was after they were shown, provided with instructions, etc, etc, etc.

As for your Win 7 (64) DQSD quirk - I am using a "clean/new" install of the
Win 7 RC1 64 bit using the installation steps I provided in the previous
email.  The only problems I have are A) IE 32/64 bit "conflict and B) Cannot
"un-tick" the DQSD toolbar without causing an Explorer restart C) Cannot
edit/change DQSD configuration from the DQSD menu.

Problem C above is folder/file security.  I can manually go into the DQSD
installation folder and edit the PREFERENCES.JS file for instance.  Just
cannot do it from the DQSD Configuration menu.  I am still looking at that.

Jim 

-Original Message-
From: bill.hew...@sentex.net [mailto:bill.hew...@sentex.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 9:49 AM
To: DQSD users mailing list
Subject: Re: [DQSD-Users] Windows 7 RC 64 Bit Install Help needed

Hi James,

On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:19:02 -0400, you [James Nix] wrote:

}I am still looking for a way to "trick"  DQSD into staring IE 32 bit but no
}joy so far.

If you don't have any objection to using Firefox as your default
browser it appears to solve the problem.

The problem I am having with Win 7 (64) is that DQSD will not stick on
the taskbar between boots.  Quick Search still remains in the list of
Toolbars - but is unticked.

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Re: [DQSD-Users] Windows 7 RC 64 Bit Install Help needed

2009-05-15 Thread bill . hewitt
Hi James,

On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:19:02 -0400, you [James Nix] wrote:

}I am still looking for a way to "trick"  DQSD into staring IE 32 bit but no
}joy so far.

If you don't have any objection to using Firefox as your default
browser it appears to solve the problem.

The problem I am having with Win 7 (64) is that DQSD will not stick on
the taskbar between boots.  Quick Search still remains in the list of
Toolbars - but is unticked.

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Re: [DQSD-Users] Windows 7 RC 64 Bit Install Help needed

2009-05-15 Thread James Nix
In Vax/VMS world we used a technique called  "spawning"  another process.
Seems there should be SOMETHING similar in Windows.  In fact it should be
even easier since DQSD has no need to stay "attached" to the spawned process
and check its exit status.

Anyway I did most of my work in FORTRAN, COBOL and Assembler on minis and
mainframes.  Don't know much about Windows development environment.  Which
source code file actually does the call to run the browser?

I am still looking for a way to "trick"  DQSD into staring IE 32 bit but no
joy so far.

Well Adobe has 64 bit Flash Player Beta add-ons for *nix.  What/why they are
delaying on a Windows 64 bit is weird.  I suspect that will change, but
when?

I don't believe Adobe has a 64 bit Shockwave version yet either.



-Original Message-
From: Charlie Russel [mailto:char...@scribes.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:35 PM
To: DQSD users mailing list
Subject: Re: [DQSD-Users] Windows 7 RC 64 Bit Install Help needed

The problem is, in a way, hard coded by the methods used. DQSD runs as a DLL
in Windows Explorer. As such, it makes "inproc" or in-process calls to other
executables. 64-bit processes can't make 32-bit calls, (and 32-bit processes
can't make 64-bit calls). I am NOT a developer, far from it, but it should
be technically possible to fork off the call in a way that would allow it to
call the 32-bit IE. But doing so is both non-trivial in Windows (which
doesn't really _do_ forks), and a significant shift from how the existing
32-bit code works. The intent was to not have two different code bases,
which would be required if we changed the way the browser gets called. 

Charlie.


> -Original Message-
> From: James Nix [mailto:ni...@charter.net]
> Sent: May-14-09 8:25 AM
> To: 'DQSD users mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [DQSD-Users] Windows 7 RC 64 Bit Install Help needed
> 
> All,
> 
> Perhaps this has been mentioned before, perhaps not.
> 
> Problem: DQSDx64 by default runs the 64 Bit IEXPLORE.EXE.
> 
> This is a problem because many add-ons do not (yet) support the 64 bit
> IEXPLORE.
> 
> Of particular note is Adobe Flash Player v10.
> 
> DQSDx64 will, by default run C:\Program Files\Internet
> Explorer\iexplore.exe
> 
> In Windows 7 64 Bit that is the 64 bit version of IE.
> 
> The 32 bit version of IE is located, by default,  in C:\Program Files
> (x86)\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
> 
> I would think that most people (including me!) would want to use the 32
> bit
> IE for compatibility purposes.
> 
> I did a quick check for an easy way to change the DQSDx64 target IE exe
> file
> but did not see one.  Is it hard coded?
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kim Gräsman [mailto:kim.gras...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 8:38 AM
> To: DQSD users mailing list
> Subject: Re: [DQSD-Users] Windows 7 RC 64 Bit Install Help needed
> 
> James,
> 
> Nice, thanks!
> 
> One thing that stands out to me is the need to Unblock the entire
> archive, which presumably goes through the contents of the .zip and
> unblocks every single file.
> 
> If only we could package this as an installer instead, that problem
> would go away. Problem is, we don't have any experience with free
> installer packages that support 64-bit Windows.
> 
> - Kim
> 
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 23:42, James Nix  wrote:
> > Well, good news and bad news.
> >
> > The good news is I have it working.
> >
> > The bad news is it can be difficult to remove if the installation
> screws
> up
> > in a certain way.  See notes below!!!
> >
> > The steps I came up with avoid some Windows 7 security checks without
> > disabling them altogether. I will list the general steps, not every
> Windows
> > UAC "Confirm this step" message.  Note that I use TweakUAC to suppress
> most
> > of them anyway.
> >
> > 1) Download the dqsdx64-4100-beta.zip package to a location you will
> > remember. :-)
> >
> > 2) Right click the dqsdx64-4100-beta.zip package and select
> Properties.
>  At
> > the bottom of the dialog there may be a message
> >
> > "Security: This file came from another computer and might be blocked
> to
> help
> > protect this computer"
> >
> > Click the "Unblock" button.  Click "Apply" then close the Properties
> dialog.
> >
> > 3)  Repeat Step 2 above and VERIFY THAT THERE IS NO SECURITY
> MESSAGE
> >
> > 4)  Create  a temporary folder for easy Command Window access - I used
> > C:\Temp.  Unzip the dqsdx64-4100-beta.zip file (keeping folder names)
> into
> > C:\Temp.
> >
> > 5)  Navigate to  C:\Temp\DQSDx64.  Check a couple of .JS files and
> verify
> > that the files do not have the "Security" message in their Properties
> (see
> > step 2).
> >
> > 6)  Create a new desktop shortcut - Target: CMD.EXE ; Name "Command
> Window"
> >
> > 7) CREATE A SYSTEM RESTORE POINT.  IF THE INSTALLATION SCREWS UP THE
> DQSD
> > CLOCK SCRIPT ERROR WILL MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO REMOVE DQSD. THE EASIEST
> "FIX"
> > IT IS TO DO A SYSTEM RESTORE.
> >
> > 8) Right click the Comm