RE: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?!
FWIW, I have a Windows-64 system too, though I usually boot it into the 32-bit OS. -- Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dqsd-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charlie Russel Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:26 AM To: dqsd-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?! I can certainly provide a build environment on my x64 box. I have an AMD Athlon64 3500+ on an ASUS MB with 2GB of RAM. It can boot into 32-bit Windows XP, x64 Windows XP, or Server 2k3 R2 for x64 (beta). Write me directly at: Charlie At Scribes Dot Com and I can set up a remote desktop connection for you to that box. On compilers -- according to this: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winhec/partners/64bitAMD.mspx you should be able to do it on 32-bit, if I read it right.(gg compiler amd64 32-bit) Also: http://www.amd.com/us- en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/dwamd_30887.pdf#search='amd64%20compile%20 applications' And: http://www.planetamd64.com/lofiversion/index.php/t4624.html On test platforms: I only have the one box, but I suspect there are more folks out there on this list who actually have 64-bit capable boxes if anyone has bought a new AMD box in the last 6-12 months, or an Intel in the last month or two. Charlie. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dqsd-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kim Grsman Sent: April 27, 2005 9:44 AM To: dqsd-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?! Hi Charlie, Thanks for the added detail... Interesting that 64-bit processes cannot load 32-bit DLL:s -- I hadn't even thought about it that way. It would be nice if we could build DQSD for 64-bit, but there are two main problems: a) Getting a build environment for 64-bit targets b) Testing and fixing potential bugs occuring only on 64-bit targets If you (or anyone else) can help with these two, I'd be happy to give it a shot. Does anybody know if we need to run on Win64 to build for Win64, or if there's a 32-bit compiler targetting Win64? - Kim Charlie Russel wrote: Yes, Kim, I have tried it. :( The problem is that explorer.exe, and thus the desktop and task bar are 64 bit. You can't use a 32-bit extension to a 64-bit app -- 64-bit apps can't call 32-bit dlls, and 32-bit apps can't call 64-bit dlls. So even if the hooks are there, they're 64-bit hooks, and can't talk to the 32-bit DQSD. If DQSD were a standalone app, it would work. As you say, the vast majority of 32-bit applications work just fine. There's a known workaround for context menu extensions (right mouse click stuff like WinZIP) that allows one to run the 32-bit explorer.exe, but it doesn't replace your desktop, only opens a separate window for Windows Explorer that runs in the WOW64 subsystem (the 32-bit subsystem, IOW). If you need references/pointers to appropriate developer level docs, I can probably help, but I am NOT a developer, though I have written C code when I absolutely had to. But it was a long, long time ago. Charlie. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dqsd-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kim Grsman Sent: April 27, 2005 8:56 AM To: dqsd-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?! Hi Charlie, I don't know much about Win64, but don't 32-bit apps run cleanly on it? As long as the shell has the hooks used by DQSD, it should just work. Did you try it out? Cheers, - Kim Charlie Russel wrote: OK, I know I asked this before, when the x64 version of Windows went RTM. But not it is actually out, and showing up in the OEM/System Builder channels. Any chance of an x64 version of DQSD? Please? I'd _love_ to switch my main desktop over to XP Professional x64 Edition, but I'd _really_ miss my DQSD. I am _not_ a developer, but I'd be _glad_ to make a machine available remotely to facilitate this. And I can install your compiler of choice on it, as necessary (I have MSDN to cover that box.) If this offer makes sense, contact me off-list. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start!http://wwwidcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id5hix ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id01 --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter
Re: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?!
Hi Charlie, I don't know much about Win64, but don't 32-bit apps run cleanly on it? As long as the shell has the hooks used by DQSD, it should just work. Did you try it out? Cheers, - Kim Charlie Russel wrote: OK, I know I asked this before, when the x64 version of Windows went RTM. But not it is actually out, and showing up in the OEM/System Builder channels. Any chance of an x64 version of DQSD? Please? I'd _love_ to switch my main desktop over to XP Professional x64 Edition, but I'd _really_ miss my DQSD. I am _not_ a developer, but I'd be _glad_ to make a machine available remotely to facilitate this. And I can install your compiler of choice on it, as necessary (I have MSDN to cover that box.) If this offer makes sense, contact me off-list. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
RE: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?!
Yes, Kim, I have tried it. :( The problem is that explorer.exe, and thus the desktop and task bar are 64 bit. You can't use a 32-bit extension to a 64-bit app -- 64-bit apps can't call 32-bit dlls, and 32-bit apps can't call 64-bit dlls. So even if the hooks are there, they're 64-bit hooks, and can't talk to the 32-bit DQSD. If DQSD were a standalone app, it would work. As you say, the vast majority of 32-bit applications work just fine. There's a known workaround for context menu extensions (right mouse click stuff like WinZIP) that allows one to run the 32-bit explorer.exe, but it doesn't replace your desktop, only opens a separate window for Windows Explorer that runs in the WOW64 subsystem (the 32-bit subsystem, IOW). If you need references/pointers to appropriate developer level docs, I can probably help, but I am NOT a developer, though I have written C code when I absolutely had to. But it was a long, long time ago. Charlie. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dqsd-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Gräsman Sent: April 27, 2005 8:56 AM To: dqsd-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?! Hi Charlie, I don't know much about Win64, but don't 32-bit apps run cleanly on it? As long as the shell has the hooks used by DQSD, it should just work. Did you try it out? Cheers, - Kim Charlie Russel wrote: OK, I know I asked this before, when the x64 version of Windows went RTM. But not it is actually out, and showing up in the OEM/System Builder channels. Any chance of an x64 version of DQSD? Please? I'd _love_ to switch my main desktop over to XP Professional x64 Edition, but I'd _really_ miss my DQSD. I am _not_ a developer, but I'd be _glad_ to make a machine available remotely to facilitate this. And I can install your compiler of choice on it, as necessary (I have MSDN to cover that box.) If this offer makes sense, contact me off-list. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601 --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id5hix ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id01
Re: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?!
Hi Charlie, Thanks for the added detail... Interesting that 64-bit processes cannot load 32-bit DLL:s -- I hadn't even thought about it that way. It would be nice if we could build DQSD for 64-bit, but there are two main problems: a) Getting a build environment for 64-bit targets b) Testing and fixing potential bugs occuring only on 64-bit targets If you (or anyone else) can help with these two, I'd be happy to give it a shot. Does anybody know if we need to run on Win64 to build for Win64, or if there's a 32-bit compiler targetting Win64? - Kim Charlie Russel wrote: Yes, Kim, I have tried it. :( The problem is that explorer.exe, and thus the desktop and task bar are 64 bit. You can't use a 32-bit extension to a 64-bit app -- 64-bit apps can't call 32-bit dlls, and 32-bit apps can't call 64-bit dlls. So even if the hooks are there, they're 64-bit hooks, and can't talk to the 32-bit DQSD. If DQSD were a standalone app, it would work. As you say, the vast majority of 32-bit applications work just fine. There's a known workaround for context menu extensions (right mouse click stuff like WinZIP) that allows one to run the 32-bit explorer.exe, but it doesn't replace your desktop, only opens a separate window for Windows Explorer that runs in the WOW64 subsystem (the 32-bit subsystem, IOW). If you need references/pointers to appropriate developer level docs, I can probably help, but I am NOT a developer, though I have written C code when I absolutely had to. But it was a long, long time ago. Charlie. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dqsd-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Grsman Sent: April 27, 2005 8:56 AM To: dqsd-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [DQSD-Users] x64 Version, please?! Hi Charlie, I don't know much about Win64, but don't 32-bit apps run cleanly on it? As long as the shell has the hooks used by DQSD, it should just work. Did you try it out? Cheers, - Kim Charlie Russel wrote: OK, I know I asked this before, when the x64 version of Windows went RTM. But not it is actually out, and showing up in the OEM/System Builder channels. Any chance of an x64 version of DQSD? Please? I'd _love_ to switch my main desktop over to XP Professional x64 Edition, but I'd _really_ miss my DQSD. I am _not_ a developer, but I'd be _glad_ to make a machine available remotely to facilitate this. And I can install your compiler of choice on it, as necessary (I have MSDN to cover that box.) If this offer makes sense, contact me off-list. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601 --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id5hix ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id01 --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ To unsubscribe visit: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dqsd-users DQSD-Users@lists.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=8601
