Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-05 Thread Garey Barrell
Don - Welcome to the club!! :-) I don't know if FSK is 'better' or not. FSK IS stable and there are no 'phantom' signals (carrier, unwanted sideband, distorted AFSK tones) that are all quite possible with AFSK. Best thing about AFSK is that there are no mods required to the transmitter. I

Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-05 Thread Curt
Hi Don: Well..OKyes...but that isn't the fault of the software OR the mode...just a dumbass operator that can't figure it out!! Ya gotta be smarter than the hammer if you know what I mean. Same guys that crank the snot out of the system using PSK and end up being a KHz wide. You never

Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-05 Thread Don Cunningham
How could anyone possibly tell the difference between FSK and the SSB/AFSK equal? Well, let's start with being off frequency all the time because the default on MMTTY and other programs is that #$*& crap they call "ATC" I think. Whenever anyone answers me so far off I have to use RIT, that'

Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-05 Thread Curt
Now, you know that is not true...you are just more DISCRIMINATING than the norm(FM anyone?) How could anyone possibly tell the difference between FSK and the SSB/AFSK equal? Oh...Oh...I can tell!! FSK is the one that isn't QUITE on the proper offset!! :) Curt KU8L On 1/5/2012 1:17 PM

Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-05 Thread Don Cunningham
I'm afraid to advise on RTTY anymore since I learned I am the village idiot on RTTY. Only ran in since 1968, so I'm still learning, but FSK is better, even if I'm wrong again!! 73, Don, WB5HAK___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net

Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-05 Thread Curt
Hi Bob: I think I started the Silenx fan stuff...they are amazingly quiet and the difference in heat is outstanding. On the RTTY tune up, I just tune it up as per a CW or full SSB setup, then set the soundcard to Tx RYRYRY...run the TX gain up until it stops increasing the Ip, then back off

Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Fish
Alright I'm back, real life intervened for 12 or 15 hours since I asked the RTTY question. Thanks for the help guys. The first thing I thought of when I decided to do this was Garey's stories about running 4 line gear on RTTY 24/7 and it lasted for years. So I figured I had some margin for err

Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-05 Thread Garey Barrell
Bob - OK. That's where I have seen it before. It's too bad those are such lousy scans. it's not that hard to get a 'good' scan. I'll see what I can do with it. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs Robert Ladden wrote:

Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Ladden
There is a copy at http://www.wb4hfn.com/DRAKE/DrakeArticles/RTTYops/Manual_RTTY.htm I covers all the Drakes. I would think Ron would allow you to make a copy for your CD (if permission is really needed). 73, Bob WW3QB Bob - The 'normal' audio passband fo

Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-05 Thread Garey Barrell
Bob - The 'normal' audio passband for the transmitter is 325 - 2725 Hz. The RTTY jack shifts this to ~ 825 - 3225 Hz to pass the 2975 Hz tone of 850 shift. It ALSO moves the carrier further down the skirt of the LSB filter, which would improve the carrier suppression by ~ 10 dB. I will say

Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Ladden
The Drake bulletin for RTTY recommended using the carrier shift even when using narrow shift RTTY: "Even when using narrow shift, this shift circuit provides additional carrier and opposite sideband rejection." I've been using it. Should I not bother? 73, Bob WW3QB ___

Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-05 Thread Curt Nixon
AHAI knew I wasn't just another crazy As*& contester!! BTW, FlDigi or Writelog (not free) with MMSTTY are both potent RTTY contest logging RTTY tools. :) Curt KU8L On 1/4/2012 10:53 PM, Garey Barrell wrote: Bob - The C-Line does fine for RTTY. The transmitter has a jack on the back

Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-04 Thread Garey Barrell
Bob - The C-Line does fine for RTTY. The transmitter has a jack on the back panel marked RTTY that when shorted shifts the carrier a bit to ensure that both tones (2125 - 2975 Hz 850 Hz shift,)were passed through the LSB filter unattenuated. It was originally designed when we were still usi

Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-04 Thread Curt Nixon
Hi Donwelll...ya shot my lights out. :) I think you are correct if I were doing long-winded RTTY ragchews like we have done in the past. But the duty cycle is VERY short for RTTY contesting and (I'm guessing here, less than 50%. I also run a very good fan. The T4's ran very cool indeed

Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-04 Thread Robert Ladden
I got a DXCC-RTTY using my T-4XC with AFSK. I agree with this. I have a fan blowing upwards above the finals. You can run 75 watts because the contest messages are short. 73, Bob WW3QB Bob, On RTTY, peaks are the same as average.  It is continuous duty.  I wo

Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-04 Thread Curt Nixon
Hi Bob: I have done a few RTTY contests with the T4XA and B and run them much harder than that. FSK is fixed level, tonal without the type of peaks that make metering audio difficult. I run it as hard as the tune and CW levels for plate current. Garey and Don have a lot of experience with R

Re: [Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-04 Thread Don Cunningham
Bob, On RTTY, peaks are the same as average. It is continuous duty. I wouldn't run the T4XC much over 50W, with tubes as expensive as they are today if it were me. You have to make your own choice, but there is a BIG difference in the duty cycles of SSB and sound card RTTY. For sure I would

[Drakelist] C-Line RTTY

2012-01-04 Thread Robert Fish
I have been thinking about using my C-line for the RTTY contest this weekend. How do I set the transmit audio (gain) level. Do I set it the same as SSB where the peaks are about 150ma? I am not set up here for FSK, so its going to be a sound card affair. Any general advice for C-line RTTY? Tha