-------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n055 -------------- 001 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gerald - The True Nature of Dreams! 002 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gerald - OverView of Hells! 003 - "Wilkerson, Richard" <rcw - MOTHER/CHILD SUKI 004 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n054 Electric Dreams: Dream Flow A fountain of dreams in Cyberspace --------------- MESSAGE dream-flow.v001.n055.1 --------------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gerald D'Aoust) Subject: The True Nature of Dreams! Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:52:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Sir John, I have read your interesting and most fundamental questions... > >From: "Jay E. Vinton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: the nature of dreams >Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:38:57 -0500 (EST) > >dear gerald, > >perhaps it would be more helpful, if you could say *briefly* how you >believe we could more productively view our dreams? In this respect, just consider dreams as divine messages and visits into the Other Realm... where we get guidance and instruction and even earthly orders and missions... "...An Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said: "Joseph, ......... . ........". When Joseph woke up, he did what the Angel of the Lord had commanded him..." (words exposed in Matthew, 1,24) ... and I've noticed that people very seldom do what is ordered to them in dreams because they have no idea about what dreams are all about, mainly due to misguiding Jungianism which bullshits and confuses everybody about the true nature of dreams. > >do you believe hell truly awaits those who fail to recognise your >vision of god in their dreams? is that what your god has planned? Yes! of course, God does not reward those who do not want to recognise him... "He, who does not believe in the true dream, does not believe in Allah nor in the Day of Reckoning." (most important words of Mohammed) ... but it is not only "my" vision... but the vision of all the Dreamer-Prophets which words were preserved into the Holy Scriptures which are revelations... "And He said, "Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I, the Lord, will make Myself known to him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream." (Words of the Lord of the Universe revealed to Moses, Aaron and Miriam.... and preserved in Numbers 12.6) .... but as you can read in Revelation, he who does not have the Seal of the Living God on their forehead will perish... upon arrival on the other side... as clearly mentioned Rev, 7,2-3... 2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3 "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." ...and explained in more details in Rev,6 where you can read that all the Seals are Winged-Horses... and better warned in chapter 9 and especially in 9,4... 1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6 During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them. 7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold and their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lion's teeth. 9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails, they had power to torment people for five months. 11 They have as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon. ... the sound of their Wings...Humm! ....because people must believe in the Creator who created everything... directly or indirectly... and dreams are messages from God... "He, who does not believe in the true dream, does not believe in Allah nor in the Day of Reckoning." (most important words of Mohammed) ------------------------------------------------- "For the Days of the Lord are coming..... . And it shall come to pass afterward, saith God, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions. Even on my servants and handmaidens I will pour out, in those days, my Spirit; and they shall prophesy." (Words of the Lord himself revealed to the prophet Joël preserved in Joël 2.28-30 in the Old Testament and, due to their crucial importance, repeated in the New Testament in Acts 2.16-18.) But have to be carefull with the messages of these god-given dreams... "I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I had a dream." Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams... "Let the prophet who has a dream tell his dream, but let the one who has my word speak it faithfully. For what is the chaff to the wheat? " declares the Lord, to Jeremiah, as stated in Jeremiah 23,25 and 23,28 ... because God calls everybody but unfortunately it is not everybody who answers the call or obeys his guidance and instruction given in dreams... "For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth not. In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed; then he openeth the ears of men, (terrifies them with warnings) and sealeth their instruction... to prevent his soul from going down into the bottomless pit." (words of Elihu, in Job 33.15.....Holy Land, sometimes B.C.) ... which he sends to people to prevent them from ending up in the bottomless pit of the Fiery Hells. > >is a jungian view of dreamwork so different from your and your gods >view? Totally the contrary, the Jungian view is looking the wrong way... and leads to perdition just as the dream of Victria clearly indicates. ****************** However, Victoria is a very good person and is not an atheist but just a miscreant who is being mislead by Jungian garbage... because she only got warned and did not get punished yet as atheists are beaten up by the Horses of the Lord, in their dreams... such as in this one here... white horses Posted by Marina on January 05, 1998 at 08:31:28: Hello, My mother is having the same dream for few nignts. She is being stamped by white horses with black hooves. When she wakes up she has black and blue marks on her body. What could it possibly mean? Thank You. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ So, Sir John, I replied to Marina and asked a few questions... and got this reply... Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 17:37:31 -0500 From: Rami Ash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gérald D'Aoust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: White Horses with black hooves! References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by loopback id WAA74904 Hello, Gerald. Thank you for the quick response. I am worried about my mother's mental health. She is seeing very strange dreams and is affected by them all day. My mother was born in 1935. There are a lot of horses in her dream, but I don't know how many. She is lying on the ground and the horses are just stamping her. When she gets up in the morning she has black and blue marks on her legs. The other part of her dream, or she wakes up and goes back to sleep is: her mother (who died of cancer in 1975) is sitting in a chair with a huge hole in her body. The cotton is "stuffed" in a hole and blood coming out of it. She is calling my mother to come to her with the strong - ruling voice. My mother doesn't go and wakes up. Right now my mother is the same age as my grandmother was when she died. Sure enough my mom is saying that it is "her time now". Is there any meaning to all this? Thank you very much. Your help is greatly appreciated. Marina. ------------------------------------------------------ Dear Marina, thank you for your prompt reply. This will appear to you very strange but your mother is fine and well and I don't believe that she is about to die neither... unless she keeps on being tormented like that. In resume, the true dreams of your mom relate...(now hold on to your hat) ... to the visit of a mighty personnage on earth... who has been scheduled to reappear at about this time of great tribulations. So, your Mom's dream also relates to this event known as the Advent... or the Coming of the Lord in the flesh... the Lord of the Resurrection of the Dead... and if she believes in him everything will be just fine.... In my point of view, the wrath of the Lord is on your Mom because she doesn't believe in the Lord nor in the Resurrection of the Dead... such as her own Mom who has her womb openly bleeding because her own progeny which came out of there does not at this point beleive in the Lord... the (Eternal)Life Giver. I know that it sounds totally crazy, but tell your Mom to read the following biblical passages which relate to her own dream.... " At the noise of the stamping of the hooves of his strong Horses,.... the fathers (mothers) shall not look back to their chidren from feebleness of hands;..." (Jeremiah 47, 3 +) Also, you may wish to read Ezechiel 26 in full but at least from verses 7 to 12. And then you will begin to understand the seriousness of her dreams. I think that the massage means that your Mom should begin to believe in God... and she doesn't need to go to Church for this as God reaches her right between her two ears when she sleeps. Also when she is convinced that he exists, as well as in the other world which he governs... her Mother will heal and will stop calling her in such way... because really the only right now for your Mom to understand would be to die as she anticipates to see the spiritual reality! But, if she can pay attention to my words and care to verify what I am trying to say .... she will live longer in peace. If you doubt in what I say... read about the Horses of the Apocalypse and the Locusts and the Rider on the White Horse, respectively in Revelation 6, 9, 19.11... as these Horses are Angels of the Divine Army of Heaven... which are now here to accomplish their task of tormenting those who do not have the seal of God on their forehead... so that they may change their mind about God and gain Eternal Life. Tell this to your Mom... and ask her if she would care to trade a few stupid years on earth against eternity in Heaven? I realise that this is very heavy... but your "tormented" Mother needs this explanation... for her own salvation... which she needs to accomplish by herself! God cares enough about her that he is speaking to her directly in her dreams...in order to prevent her from falling into the bottomless pit!!!... and she must respond to him the same way... and her dreams will instantaneously improve, just like herself too. Trust me, your Mom is simply undergoing a required purification process... for her own benefit... that's all! What your Mom saw in her dream is precisely what awaits her when she dies... because, for some unknown reason she is a pain to both her own Mom and to the Lord himself and if she don't change... which confesses to the word repent.... this is what she will get when she gets there.But if she believes in the existence of the world which she visits in her dreams.... to be the Spiritual World, where Eternal Angels (like the White Horses)and Immortal Ghosts(like Grand-Ma) exist forever... then her "soul" will be better greeted when she does get there. Spiritual Things, at least, never change! Sincerely, Gérald ------------------------------------------ ...and this is the reply that I received from her... --------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:17:02 -0500 From: Rami Ash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gérald D'Aoust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: I am truly Sorry But...! References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Gerald, I just got your message. Thank you so much. I am not afraid of her dreams I am worried about her state of mind. For someone who grew up in a country where religion was banned and outlawed would be difficult to start believing in God. At least she believes in alternative medicine and doesn't see doctors as "Gods". We will take your advise and do our best. Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks again. Marina. --------------------------------- So, you see, Sir John, I was right to clearly see, judging from her dream, that this older woman did not believe in God... and this is her reward. It is funny but I feel that she will change her mind before she dies. OK! I'm taking the initiative, understanding your profound interest and anxiety, to send you a copy of my response to Victoria in which you'll certainly find a few answers... in regards to your honest, smart and most clever questions. Also, Sir John, please feel free to join my list and that will be easier for me to show you what I know. I gave the formula on how to join, in the paper to Victoria. Sincerely hoping to see you there... and about the true nature of dreams, this has been clearly outlined in the Bardo Thodol, a book which Carl Jung did not have the intellectual capacity to understand anything... "May it come that the Realms of the Buddhas be seen, Grasping the True nature of dreams, May I train myself in the clear Light of the Miraculous Transformation. May I recognise whatever appareth as being my own Spiritual Forms, May I know them to be Apparitions... May the Trinity be realised. Let it come that I obtain the Non-Forgetting Intellect and "remember" my past life (or lives). O procrastinating one, who thinketh not of the coming of death, Devoting thyself to the useless doings of this life, Improvident art thou in dissipating thy great opportunity; Mistaken, indeed, will thy purpose be now if thou returnest empty-handed from this life. When the apparitions of the Peaceful and Wrathful forms are dawning upon me here, Let it come that I, obtaining the assurance of fearlessness, may I recognize the Bardo." (Some of the words of Guru Padma Sambhava, Lung-ta's Rider, Tibet, 8th century A.D., extracted from "Root Verses" of "The Bardo Thodol") Welcome to the Realm of the Buddhas, Sir John! and remember that the people who don't believe in the right thing which is in God and the existence of the other world will have a funny surprise when they get to the other side. :) Anyways, these dreams of Victoria are priceless dreams of universal magnitude... and good for everyone to see. Best Regards and Many Thanks, Gérald --------------- MESSAGE dream-flow.v001.n055.2 --------------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gerald D'Aoust) Subject: OverView of Hells! Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:51:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Victoria, thank you for your kind reply and interest in you dream which I want to thank you for because it is not everyday that someone brings a fresh warning from Hell... and you're such a good dreamer... and have so much influence in your time and age that you got chosen for that one. :) You seem to think that you are are in control in your dreams and that your dreams are illusions created from your universal unconsciousness or whatever? I would like you to review again your dream and you tell me if the heat generated by the flames was part of your creative imagination? >From: Victoria Quinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: dark horse and fire. >Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 05:47:03 +1100 > >I have been having dreams of flying on a dark horse over swirling fire lately. > >I feel scared that the fire will consume me, but determined to get over it. > "For our God is a consuming Fire."( Hebrews 12, 29) What about the Horse's smell and the draft in the face? Do you wish to tell me that you think that you could have written this scenario when you could not write fast enough to describe all the feelings of reality which you experienced simultaneously in the dream!! :) "The Lord(Christos) shall be revealed with his mighty angel in flaming fire." (2 Thessalonians 1,7-8) That was a visit into the other world, Victoria, and to your final destiny, on the Wings of Destiny... but, if you really have the strong determination to cling to the Horse and learn everything about it, the final outcome may turn out to be totally different. It all depends of you only. You see, Victoria, this Horse on which you flew has been know as the Divine Psychopompos, the Spiritual Machine that takes people from this world to the other... to Olympus or Hades... as Franz Cumont says in "Lux Perpetua" on p.292 and 288 respectively... "The Emperors were supposed to become after their death the companions of the Sun Invincible... "Sol Invictus", just as they had been his proteges during their lifetime, and conducted by him (Pegasus) towards the eternal vaults. And these are not their emphatical flatteries, inspired to court poets by servile adulation. This deification, obtained through the intermediary of the Sun, making place to the Sovereign on the Chariot of the Sun, remained an Article of Faith, right up to the end of paganism." (292) "It is therefore doubtless that Pegasus was regarded as an agile psychopompos, which, in an audacious flight, lifted right up to the height of the stellar vaults of heaven the privileged mortals who had obtained to reside over there forever. The Mythology consecrated Pegasus to the Sun and it was towards this Aster that he was bringing back the souls to which he had given life and was calling them to him." (288) "It is the reason why this Pegasus-Saviour has been represented alone, even without Rider, as a symbol of Immortality." ... but as it can take people to Heaven it can also take them to Hell and to illustrate what it is, here is a little story... of the Buddha as the Winged-Horse himself as related in several stories of the Jatakas, or Stories of Buddha's Previous Lives... for instance, in No.196, in Book #2, pages 89-90 and 91, is a particularly good example, of which the following is a little extract... "Valahassa-Jataka" "Now, at that time the Bodhisatta had come into the World as a flying horse,... possessed of supernatural power, able to fly through the air"... The rest of the story tells about the fate of those who believed in the Horse, some 250 people in the story, and clinged to it as you did in your dream Victoria finally went to heaven and those who didn't unfortunately, went to Hell!. The Master now said, addressing the Brethren: "Brethren, even as those persons perished by falling into the hands of goblins, but the others by obeying the behest of the Wonderful Horse each returned safe home (spiritual world) again; so, even so, they who neglect the advice of the Buddhas, both Btrethren and Sisters, lay Brethren and lay Sisters (Ghosts), come to great misery in the four hells, places where they are punished under the five fetters, and so forth. But those who abide by such advice come to the three kinds of fortunate birth, the six heavens, and reaching the state of imperishable Nirvana, they attain great blessedness." "Then, becoming perfectly enlightened, he recited the following verses... "They who will neglect the Buddha when he tells them what to do, As the goblins ate the merchants, likewise they shall perish too." "They who harken to the Buddha when he tells them what to do, As the Bird-Horse saved the merchants, they shall win salvation too." When the Master had ended this discourse, he declared the Truths, and identified the Birth:- "The Buddha's followers were the 250 who followed the advice of the Horse and I, was the Horse myself." (On a one side of a pillar in a Buddhist railing, at Mathura, India, is a Flying Horse with people clinging to it, perhaps intended for this scene... which is supposed to be illustrated in a certain "Catalogue of the Indian Museum" by Anderson, I, p.189.) ...many other stories finish the same way #23, # 206... sometimes the Horse is called Swift-as-the-Wind... in others Windswift... or Sindh Horse...# 24 for example... which ends by "... and I the Perfect Buddha was the Horse of those Days." You may not believe this Victoria, but this Horse, is the Buddha himself, or Allah if you prefer... "The Ascending Stairways, revealed at Mecca, in the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful." 1. A questioner questioned about the doom to fall 2. Upon the disbelievers, which none can repel, 3. From Allah the Lord of the Ascending Stairways 4. The Angel and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day whereof the span is fifty thousand years. (Qu'ran, Surah 70,1-4) ...and as far as I'm concerned, Victoria, the Horse is overflying you above and showing you the dangerous "soul and ghostly dream body destruction area"... "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but who cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Hell." (Mat. 10,28) .... because your beliefs are wrong and consequently that will be your reward and doom if you don't change... as clearly outlined in Rev.20,15-15 and 22,6... > The lake >of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name was not found written in >the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. >6 The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, >the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants >the things that must soon take place. Do you, Victoria, want to know why? The answer is in Rev.20,10 and 21,8... >10 And the devil, who deceived them, was >thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false >prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and >ever. >8 But the cowardly, the >unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who >practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-their place will be in the >fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death. You see, it is because you're Jungian and therefore automatically an idolater and false prophet... because you distort the meaning of dreams by not acknowledging the existence of your ghost body, nor the ghosts of departeds like Michael Hutchence, or Jesus or any deads who make apparitions in dreams and you don't recognise nor honour them. In other words, you are rejecting them and make people falsely believe that they, the spiritual beings who appear in dreams, are mere illusions. Too bad so sad! :) "Now Allah has created the dream not only as a means of guidance and instruction, I refer to the true dream, but he has made it as a window on the World of the Unseen. " (Prophet Mohammed, Arabia, 7th century A.D.) It is true, because Carl Jung was a false prophet who did not know anything about dreams, nor about God, nor about the Holy Scriptures, nor about the supratemporality of the soul, nor about the other world. For instance you can see how contradicting he can be just carefully read his commentary of the Bardo Thodol if you wish? I've read nonsense and this is the best of what I have ever read in the stupid "nonsense" category. All you need to verify this, dear Victoria, is for you to obtain a copy of the Bardo Thodol or The Tibetan Book of the Dead which is a landmark of oneiric science and a a most wonderful spiritual guide. Actually, compiled and edited by W.Y. Evans-Wentz, published by Oxford University Press, in 1927 of which exist several reprints ...and which from the third edition up contains a so-called Psychological Commentary of your yukky Dr. Carl G. Jung. If you have this book, please let me know. If you don't, please try to obtain it... because this book is unique among the sacred books of the world. As Dr. Jung said in his (1938) Psychological Commentary... "Thus far the Bardo Thodol is, as Dr. Evans-Wentz also feels, an initiation process whose purpose it is to restore to the soul the divinity it lost at birth." "I am sure that all who read this book with open eyes, and who allow it to impress itself upon them without prejudice, will reap a rich reward." ... but the same guy, who could never understand this book actually also said all kinds of stupid things about it going as far as categorically contradicting himself which is kind of his own total confusion trademark when it comes to dreams... because this fantastic book explains that by... "Grasping the true nature of dreams, one may obtain the non-forgetting intellect to remember his previous lives..." ... but Jung never spoke of this and in this regard declared... in the second sentence of the third paragraph, of page "xliii", his idea... "According to the Eastern view, KARMA implies a sort of psychic theory of heredity based on the hypothesis of reincarnation, which in the last resort is an hypothesis of the supratemporality of the soul. Neither our scientific knowledge nor our reason can keep in step with this idea. There are too many if's and but's. Above all, we know desperately little about the possibilities of continued existence of the individual soul after death, so little that we cannot even conceive how anyone could prove anything at all in this respect. Moreover, we know only too well, on epistomological grounds, that such a proof would be just as impossible as the proof of God." ... also, on page li, in the middle paragraph, which begins by... "The degenerative character of the Bardo life..." ... gives another clear idea of his own degenerate point of view... which he openly confirms in his last words, in his last 2 sentences on page lii ... where he declares that the Bardo Thodol is a mere "USELESS" book meant for "Queer Folks"! What a stupid self-contradicting dummy?! I love idiots like him... they make me laugh a lots! :) It's not everybody who can interpret dreams, Victoria.... as stated by Joseph, the oneiromancer who eventually saved Egypt from famine, in Genesis 40,8, in reply to the cupbearer and baker of the Pharaoh... who could not find anyone to interpret their dreams... "Do not dreams' interpretations belong to God? Tell me you dreams." ... because it takes someone well trained to understand the magic of dreams and the world where we go in dreams and thats where the train comes in because on was on this train that I received most of my teachings about the other world. I was on this train at least hundred times... and the ghosts in it were playing tricks to me all the time... and was carried on it as a prisonner so many times... but the old Locomotive also broke down on the way and I was called to fix it, because I'm a mechanical engineer and the ghosts could not. I also fed the fire of its kettle and even broke the Locomotive once too. It doesn't matter, that's where I learned that Ghosts were well alive. Oh! Yes! I have several hundreds of ghosts and I guess that we could not all fly on the Winged-Horse at the same time... a train is better... as stated in Psalms 68,18... from the New International Bible. "When you ascended on high, you led captives in your train..."!!! and then 68,20... "Our God is a god who saves; from the Sovereign Lord comes escape from death." and then 68,32-33... "Sing to God... to him who rides the ancient sky above..." Also in Isaiah 6 right at the beginning... "I saw the the Lord seated on a Throne, high and exhalted, and the train of his robe filled the Temple. Above him were Seraphs, each with ...wings... and with which they were flying. And they were calling to one another... "Holy! Holy! is the Lord Almighty." :) ... just to show you that this Horse on which you were is the Angel or Spirit of the Lord!! Now, you come with me, I will show you everything about this Horse of Salvation to which you should sincerely cling to with all your determination... in order to end up at the right place after you die. The only thing that you need to know is everything about that Horse... which just happens to be the Angel of the Lord... Regent of Heaven as well as the Presider over Tartarus... the King of the Other World... and quite ugly as the Ruler of Hell... "For thy God is a consuming Fire, even a jealous God." (Deuteronomy 4,24) "Wherefore we receiving a Kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God is a consuming Fire."( Hebrews 12, 28-29) Anyways, who wants to hear about the Antique Science of the Airy-Horse?... possibly the correct knowledge, Bodhi, to eternal life?... the knowledge of the Other World which we visit in dreams? Come with me Victoria, because I just happen to know about that Horse very well... and if you are determined to know the truth, I'll be glad to tell you everything about this Horse and dreams... but it will take about 85 days... because I had a dream yesterday which told me that I had 85 days of caravaning to do... and that will take us to about the 24th of June. :) So, if you are determined to cling to the Horse, I'll share with you and anyone interested the Antique Science of the Horse of the Universal Monarch... and then your visions or visits into the other realm will greatly improve. :) BTW, Victoria, I lately organised a little Quiz for the Seniors, the people who have been following the Horse a little while to find out if they believed into the existence of this Horse and consequently in God and the Other World and I received a reply which might be of interest to you, if you wish to know if that Horse really exists... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:49:09 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailing-List: list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MorpheusDreams] Re: Gerald's Quiz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In regards to Gerald’s question as to whether or not the Winged-Horse of the spiritual world really exists, I would have to answer a resounding YES. Why on earth, otherwise, would so many people from around the world, for eons and eons, have the same types of dreams (and live to record them for posterity)? Just as an example, here are several of my own which bear repeating: "Revelation" by Myst God, in (male) human form, was going around the town telling everyone to meet at a specific time, at a certain place on the following day. We (my family) gathered up food (roasted chicken), clothes and whatever items we could fit into a small bag to take with us. The place we were to all meet at had stadium type seating built into a hillside, overlooking a lake or ocean. The next day arrived and we hurried to get into our seats. Far up in the sky, off to my right, the clouds began rolling furiously, turning this way and that and they were in beautiful colors of melon and gold. Amidst the clouds came God, riding in a white chariot, pulled by a white horse. There was a mermaid standing behind him wearing a green sequined mermaid type outfit. As we sat there waiting for God to pass above us and take us either to heaven or hell, I said to the people on either side of me, "I wonder if I'll go to heaven? I've never killed anybody and I'm truly sorry for anyone's feelings I've ever hurt." Although I had already seen and heard God speak (in the flesh), I was afraid that I wasn't worthy enough to meet him face to face and by all rights, he should shun me. In an instant, people were gone from the stands, some to heaven (me) and some to hell. Others were left behind, like my sister, so that they could stay on earth and start a family before God came back for them in three years time. (11/13/97) 'The Surrogate' by Myst I was with another person and a horse in a room (either a hotel or an office). The only piece of furniture in the room was a couch. I am there because I was chosen to be inseminated by the horse so as to bring another of its kind (mystical) into the world (actually, another person had been chosen before me, but they later declined the offer). I think that there can only be one such horse at a time. As I sit there on the couch with the other person (who hasn’t spoken and who I can’t recall whether or not they’re male or female at this point), I wonder what I’ve gotten myself into. The horse is standing in front of us (brown in color). How will this be done, I wonder? Will the horse climb on the couch and stand over me? I’m beginning to doubt my own part in this. Now I’m sitting on the floor, next to the horse. The procedure must take place at a certain time of day. Now it seems (more) like we’re in an office, in an office building. There is some commotion going on in an office down the hall. I rush over to see what’s happening. I’m wearing a lime green suit (skirt and jacket) and I have a 10” screwdriver in my hand (the one I use to fix the water sprinklers). I have a matching scarf on my head which I rip off as I reach the other office. People are looking for Vanessa (I can’t remember her last name though it’s painted on the door). She’s blonde, in her 20’s and has long wavy hair. Apparently she’s killed her boss. I worry that people will think I did it with the screwdriver and hide it in my scarf. Now I’m back with the other person and the horse. Our room has a glass wall. The (white) couch is next to the wall of glass. It overlooks the ocean. The time is getting nearer. I ask the person (Roma Downey/Touched By An Angel) how I become inseminated, more importantly, where (for some reason, I keep thinking 'the top of my head' and imagine this goop dripping down my face). She says, I can’t tell you that. I demand to know. She says, “In your ears.” I say, “No way. I don’t think so.” Then I ask her, “will it improve my hearing?” I think at this point, Roma is the horse morphed into a person. Next she tells me that afterward, my feet will get larger. But I love my small feet, I think to myself. Then she shows me two horses hooves. One is normal size and the other a half size larger. First she shows me the bottom of the hooves. The smaller one has a V shaped groove in it from which she scrapes out some gelatinous type stuff, I believe this to be the insemination material. The larger hoof, that of the magical horse, she shows me the top of; it is brightly colored enamal (cloisonne) in a large abstract (but all rounded curves) design in shades of deep pink and passion purple. It’s beautiful. I would be honored to be decorated as such. Roma is now sitting on the couch. I’m standing behind her. There is one tiny area on her hair (like hair coloring) at the bottom, that is rubbing off on her skin. I wipe it away. It’s now 3:00 pm. She says, “It’s time. It’s getting dark.” She says ‘it’s getting dark’ twice. I look outside. It appears overcast, kind of like it gets on Good Friday (I think to myself). I’m not sure if I am to become this new magical horse or if I am just a conduit for its birth. (8/10/98) 'Winged Leader' by Myst I had driven to a house. I went inside and found a man. The man was (Dr D as) a Tibetan monk of revered status. We stood at the kitchen window as he dried the dishes. He wore off white clothing. The kitchen too was white. Everything we communicated was done via telepathy. I sensed that he was unhappy with my having material possessions and communicated back to him, "Oh, Winged Leader, the vehicle does not belong to me." I felt he thought I was a braggart for arriving in style. This pained me immensely as the last thing I would want to do is flaunt my possessions in anyone's face. (3/11/98) and last but not least...........the simplest dream of all: “Beware” by Myst I’m reading a book and the only passage from it that I can recall is: “Beware the second coming of the horse.” (8/13/98) (comments): I have to say, for whatever reason, that one woke me right up! So, do I believe in the Winged-Horse? Oh my yes! Nanette ***************** So, dear Victoria, if you want to learn about things which Carl Jung could never understand, join my MorpheusDreams list and be my guest, along with anybody else who would feel like joining and I'm thinking of Sir Jay E. Vinton who asked very interested as well as interesting questions also and by joining into my list you'll eventually get to know about everything which very few humans know about. :) To join, simply use the following... http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/MorpheusDreams ... and I will share with all of you this Antique Science of the Horse-Angel most swiftly... "Vishnu will return as Kalki, the last Avatar, on the Horse amid fire and flame, blazing like a comet." (Kalki Purana) "Sosiosh, will be brought down on a Horse in a "tornado of fire." (Magian Zend-Avesta) "And I saw heaven open and behold a white horse, and he that sat upon him....is called the Word of God...amid flaming fire (thunder and lightning)... (Rev.19, 11) "The Lord(Christos) shall be revealed with his mighty angel in flaming fire." (2 Thessalonians 1,7-8) *************** This is just to say, one more time, dear Victoria, this Horse on which you rode is the Spirit of God and if it decided that it was time to fly you above Hells, it's because it is of crucial importance for you and anyone else who has wrong beliefs... which lead to Hell... and for your info, this Flying Horse is the Seal of the Living God!!! You have nothing to loose and what are a few days of training into the Highest Science of All in order to obtain the everlasting reward of heavenly blissful life eternal? "Thou shalt understand that it is a Science most profitable, and passing all other sciences, for to learn to die. .... I shall give thee the Mystery of this Doctrine; the which shall profit thee greatly to the beginning of Ghostly Health, and to a stable fundament of all virtues." (Orologium Sapientiae- from "The Book of the Craft of Dying" ... Comper's Edition) We don't die after death, we only get transformed... "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? When the dead rise... they will be like the angels in heaven." (Words of Jesus in Mark 12,24-25) "Thou shalt exist for longer than a million million years, an era of millions." Egyptian Book of the Dead, Chapter 175. "See!,the Lord is coming with Fire, and his Chariots are like a whirlwind." ( Isaïah 66:15) .... Yes, this is true... "Yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly, that thou shalt be visited by the Lord of Hosts... with storm and tempest...shall be as a dream of a night vision." (Isaiah 29, 5-7) ...and welcome everyone, and please forgive my shortcomings in my reply because I cannot explain this vast science in two little minutes. Thank You, thank you very much, Gérald --------------- MESSAGE dream-flow.v001.n055.3 --------------- From: "Wilkerson, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: MOTHER/CHILD SUKI Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 16:01:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dream Title MOTHER/CHILD SUKI Date of Dream 2/26/99 Dream I DREAMED THAT MY MOTHER HAD DIED. I WAS TO ARRANGE FOR HER FUNERAL IN THE OLD-FASHIONED WAY BY BATHING AND DRESSING HER. AFTER THE FUNERAL, WHERE I WAS ONE OF THE ONLY MOURNERS, I CAME BACK TO A BASEMENT WHERE I WAS DOING LAUNDRY AND WAS SITTING ON A LITTLE COT AND HOLDING THE CLOTHES I HAD TAKEN OFF HER AND CRYING. WHEN I LOOKED AT THE CLOTHES HOWEVER, THEY WERE A LITTLE GIRLS OUTFIT WITH FLOWERS AND LACE. Comments by Dreamer I'M NOT USUALLY PUZZLED BY MY DREAMS, BUT I DON'T GET THIS ONE. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments --------------- MESSAGE dream-flow.v001.n055.4 --------------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n054 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:36:49 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit flight drm-peace had lain to the right of the landing spot if you had avoided becoming "missed" dying drm-peace had lain to the right of the parents if you had avoided becoming "just so real" more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n055 --------------- dream-flow is for the sharing of dreams Courtesy of DreamGate www.dreamgate.com