Re: [Dri-devel] Simplified DRM backwards compatibility scheme

2001-10-15 Thread jhartmann
Keith Whitwell wrote: > > I suppose I'm basing my assumptions on sarea usage that is not there right > > now (a private sarea per context system rather than the temporary copies > > which we have now), and assuming a full featured t&l card will have > > somewhere around 4-16k of possible state.

Re: [Dri-devel] Simplified DRM backwards compatibility scheme

2001-10-15 Thread Keith Whitwell
> > LT> Now, we already have one case where this broke, which is why we > probably > LT> should have a major version number too, which indicates that things > start > LT> from a clean slate. So the old 4.0.x DRM should be called version > 0.0, and > LT> the new 4.1 DRM should be called 1.0. > LT>

Re: [Dri-devel] Simplified DRM backwards compatibility scheme

2001-10-15 Thread Jens Owen
Keith Whitwell wrote: > > On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:00, Jens Owen wrote: > > Keith, > > > > Thanks for addressing this issue. I think it's an important area to our > > success. I do have a few questions. They are inline below. > > > > Keith Whitwell wrote: > > > Jeff, Others, > > > > > > I've bee

Re: [Dri-devel] Simplified DRM backwards compatibility scheme

2001-10-15 Thread Keith Whitwell
> Actually it doesn't acheive anything. There's no pretending that you don't ... There's no use pretending... > have ioctls that you really do - that's all a versioning scheme can > acheieve (ignoring the sarea snafu, of course). Keith ___

Re: [Dri-devel] Simplified DRM backwards compatibility scheme

2001-10-15 Thread Keith Whitwell
> I suppose I'm basing my assumptions on sarea usage that is not there right > now (a private sarea per context system rather than the temporary copies > which we have now), and assuming a full featured t&l card will have > somewhere around 4-16k of possible state. (WARNING: The following is > s

Re: [Dri-devel] Simplified DRM backwards compatibility scheme

2001-10-15 Thread Keith Whitwell
On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:36, Daryll Strauss wrote: > On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 10:14:33AM -0600, jhartmann wrote: > > If you have demenstrated that this is the case then we should remove the > > version system then I guess. I do want to voice my concerns though by > > writing out my argument fully th

Re: [Dri-devel] Simplified DRM backwards compatibility scheme

2001-10-15 Thread Daryll Strauss
On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 10:14:33AM -0600, jhartmann wrote: > If you have demenstrated that this is the case then we should remove the version > system then I guess. I do want to voice my concerns though by writing out my > argument fully though. Having a version system is safer. If something doe

Re: [Dri-devel] Simplified DRM backwards compatibility scheme

2001-10-15 Thread jhartmann
Keith Whitwell wrote: > On Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:39, jhartmann wrote: > > Keith Whitwell wrote: > > > Jeff, Others, > > > > > > I've been reviewing the work in the 3.5 branch for backwards > > > compatibility and to me it looks like we can do it with a lot less > > > effort. Here's what I'm propos

Re: [Dri-devel] Simplified DRM backwards compatibility scheme

2001-10-15 Thread Keith Whitwell
On Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:39, jhartmann wrote: > Keith Whitwell wrote: > > Jeff, Others, > > > > I've been reviewing the work in the 3.5 branch for backwards > > compatibility and to me it looks like we can do it with a lot less > > effort. Here's what I'm proposing, in one simple sentence: > > > >

Re: [Dri-devel] Simplified DRM backwards compatibility scheme

2001-10-14 Thread jhartmann
Keith Whitwell wrote: > Jeff, Others, > > I've been reviewing the work in the 3.5 branch for backwards compatibility > and to me it looks like we can do it with a lot less effort. Here's what I'm > proposing, in one simple sentence: > > Instigate a rule where any released ioctl will alwa

Re: [Dri-devel] Simplified DRM backwards compatibility scheme

2001-10-13 Thread Keith Whitwell
> Actually 2.5 will see a lot of devices moving away from IOCTLs (even legacy > ones) as Linux gains namespace support. From the Linus threads I've read, > even older IOCTLs will be shot down. The unmaintainability and randomness > of IOCTL numbering schemes is one of the things that brought th

Re: [Dri-devel] Simplified DRM backwards compatibility scheme

2001-10-13 Thread M. R. Brown
* Keith Whitwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sat, Oct 13, 2001: > > Instigate a rule where any released ioctl will always be supported, with the > same semantics and interface. > [...] > > Secondly, it means no ioctls are ever removed or renamed. This was Linus' > big concern and h