Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Redesign of kernel graphics interface

2004-05-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 05:50:40PM -0700, Jon Smirl wrote: --- James Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) Ben suggestion that we mount userland inside the kernel during early boot and use a userland library. If we would use a library then it MUST be OpenGL. This would be the forced

Re: [Mesa3d-dev] Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Redesign of kernel graphics interface

2004-05-17 Thread Holger Waechtler
Ville Syrjälä wrote: On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 11:40:04AM -0700, Jon Smirl wrote: --- Ville Syrjälä [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I said OpenGL is the only accelerated API available on Linux. Can you name another? DirectFB. Does DirectFB work on anything beside Matrox now? It works on any card with a

Re: [Mesa3d-dev] Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Redesign of kernel graphics interface

2004-05-17 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 10:51:35AM -0700, Jon Smirl wrote: Just look at this picture and you can see the trend of 2D vs 3D (coprocessor based) graphics. http://www.de.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040504/images/architecture.gif Within one or two generations the 2D box is going to be gone. Sorry,

Re: PROBLEM:BUG() in kernel/intermodule.c:104 when loading i830

2004-05-17 Thread Dave Jones
On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 10:38:50AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Here's my BUG report following in REPORTING-BUGS form I found davej and dri mailing list as most apropriate recipients from MAINTENERS file. May 17 07:29:18 localhost kernel: Linux agpgart interface v0.100

Re: PROBLEM:BUG() in kernel/intermodule.c:104 when loading i830

2004-05-17 Thread Dave Jones
On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 01:00:19PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andi cleaned up the Intel GART driver detection code somewhat in the AGP patches in -mm, but it broke somewhat. Unless we figure out why in the next day or two then I'll back out his patch. Dropping the bk-agpgart patch

[Bug 1368] sis video card and gl drawing errors with Xorg X11R6.7

2004-05-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
Please do not reply to this email: if you want to comment on the bug, go to the URL shown below and enter your comments there. http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1368 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: PROBLEM:BUG() in kernel/intermodule.c:104 when loading i830

2004-05-17 Thread mat
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Dave Jones wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 10:38:50AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Here's my BUG report following in REPORTING-BUGS form I found davej and dri mailing list as most apropriate recipients from MAINTENERS file. May 17 07:29:18

using g400 via mmio

2004-05-17 Thread Ryan Underwood
Hi, I'm playing around with my G400 using mmio access. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Writing to the registers doesn't produce a seg fault (so it seems that it would be mapped correctly), but reading back from them afterwards gives me either strange values or zero. (Ignore the

Re: Damage/Composite + direct rendering clients

2004-05-17 Thread Alex Deucher
--- Andy Ritger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] - A Video Overlay Xv Adaptor is obviously fundamentally incompatible with Damage/Composite. Should X drivers no longer advertise Video Overlay Xv adaptors if they are running in an X server that includes Composite support? Many

Re: [Xorg] Re: Damage/Composite + direct rendering clients

2004-05-17 Thread Andy Ritger
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Alex Deucher wrote: --- Andy Ritger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] - A Video Overlay Xv Adaptor is obviously fundamentally incompatible with Damage/Composite. Should X drivers no longer advertise Video Overlay Xv adaptors if they are running in an X

Damage/Composite + direct rendering clients

2004-05-17 Thread Andy Ritger
I've given some thought to how best to integrate direct rendering clients with Damage/Composite. For the below discussion, I'll focus on GLX as the direct rendering client but the same concepts should apply to XvMC or any other direct rendering client. For anyone not already familiar with the

Re: [Xorg] Damage/Composite + direct rendering clients

2004-05-17 Thread Keith Packard
Around 11 o'clock on May 17, Andy Ritger wrote: How should a direct rendering client interact with Damage/Composite? There seem to be two pieces to this: damage notification, and synchronization. Thanks for getting this topic started. When a direct rendering client damages the X screen, it

Re: Damage/Composite + direct rendering clients

2004-05-17 Thread Jim Gettys
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 11:41, Andy Ritger wrote: I've given some thought to how best to integrate direct rendering clients with Damage/Composite. For the below discussion, I'll focus on GLX as the direct rendering client but the same concepts should apply to XvMC or any other direct rendering

Re: [Xorg] Re: Damage/Composite + direct rendering clients

2004-05-17 Thread Alex Deucher
--- Andy Ritger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2004, Alex Deucher wrote: --- Andy Ritger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] - A Video Overlay Xv Adaptor is obviously fundamentally incompatible with Damage/Composite. Should X drivers no longer advertise

Re: [Xorg] Re: Damage/Composite + direct rendering clients

2004-05-17 Thread Eric Anholt
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 11:02, Alex Deucher wrote: --- Keith Packard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Around 9 o'clock on May 17, Alex Deucher wrote: Many video overlays support alpha blending with the graphics layer, it's just that support was never implemented since xfree86 never

Mode setting API's

2004-05-17 Thread Keith Whitwell
As I've said, I don't have a deep grasp of the requirements of a putative future mode-setting API, but in the course of other reading I came across MLdc, which is a part of the OpenML environment. This is a library API which seems to give comprehensive control of mode-setting to an

Re: [Xorg] Damage/Composite + direct rendering clients

2004-05-17 Thread Keith Packard
Around 15 o'clock on May 17, Andy Ritger wrote: Even for front buffered flushes I would be inclined to just say that it damages the whole drawable, rather than try to compute a smaller bounding region. That's certainly fine for now; if people really get excited about optimizing this case,

Re: [Xorg] Re: Damage/Composite + direct rendering clients

2004-05-17 Thread Alex Deucher
--- Eric Anholt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 11:02, Alex Deucher wrote: --- Keith Packard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Around 9 o'clock on May 17, Alex Deucher wrote: Many video overlays support alpha blending with the graphics layer, it's just that support

Re: Mode setting API's

2004-05-17 Thread Jon Smirl
I'm looking at the OpenML spec and it covers the areas that we have been discussing plus a lot more. But the Khronos Group doesn't appear to be very Open Source friendly. It seems that I have to apply for membership and return signed documents to get a Linux SDK. But some of their other projects

Re: Mode setting API's

2004-05-17 Thread Keith Whitwell
Jon Smirl wrote: I'm looking at the OpenML spec and it covers the areas that we have been discussing plus a lot more. But the Khronos Group doesn't appear to be very Open Source friendly. It seems that I have to apply for membership and return signed documents to get a Linux SDK. But some of

Re: Mode setting API's

2004-05-17 Thread Keith Whitwell
Jon Smirl wrote: I'm looking at the OpenML spec and it covers the areas that we have been discussing plus a lot more. But the Khronos Group doesn't appear to be very Open Source friendly. It seems that I have to apply for membership and return signed documents to get a Linux SDK. But some of

Re: Damage/Composite + direct rendering clients

2004-05-17 Thread Alan Cox
On Llu, 2004-05-17 at 18:49, Keith Packard wrote: Composite doesn't really expose things in a way that would make this hardware capability usable. Instead, it expects the video to be painted into the window pixmap so that those pixels can be composed to form the screen image. For Xv that

Re: Damage/Composite + direct rendering clients

2004-05-17 Thread Keith Packard
Around 18 o'clock on May 17, Alan Cox wrote: For Xv that seems to involve working server side GL and using GL to take Xv data (as a texture) and putting it to the video visible buffer. I've been looking at exactly this for Voodoo2 although I'm still trying to get the 3D init code right (its

Re: dri with SiS : seg fault

2004-05-17 Thread Felix Kühling
On Mon, 17 May 2004 16:57:38 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi I have a notebook with a Athlon and 'SiS 650' video When I was using Debian/stable, I installed the packages for Debian by [EMAIL PROTECTED] (alongside XFree 4.1 ) they worked fine: I had excellent 3D acceleration, could

Re: [Mesa3d-dev] Re: [Dri-devel] Memory management of AGP and VRAM

2004-05-17 Thread Alan Cox
On Iau, 2004-05-13 at 01:58, Jon Smirl wrote: --- Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: argument for _good_ console support becomes that after boot you run a graphical user space console app built with OpenGL, antialiased true When I proposed this a couple of months back both you and Linus

Re: [Mesa3d-dev] Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Redesign of kernel graphics interface

2004-05-17 Thread Alan Cox
On Gwe, 2004-05-14 at 19:40, Jon Smirl wrote: Does DirectFB work on anything beside Matrox now? Most cards, accelerated on quite a few including VIA. This is getting into detail. If your 3D sucks you dont us OpenGL as the basis of your whizzo console driver - just as MS plan to support the older

Re: [Xorg] Re: Damage/Composite + direct rendering clients

2004-05-17 Thread Alex Deucher
--- Keith Packard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Around 18 o'clock on May 17, Alan Cox wrote: For Xv that seems to involve working server side GL and using GL to take Xv data (as a texture) and putting it to the video visible buffer. I've been looking at exactly this for Voodoo2 although

Re: [Xorg] Damage/Composite + direct rendering clients

2004-05-17 Thread Andy Ritger
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Keith Packard wrote: Around 11 o'clock on May 17, Andy Ritger wrote: How should a direct rendering client interact with Damage/Composite? There seem to be two pieces to this: damage notification, and synchronization. Thanks for getting this topic started.

Re: [Xorg] Re: Damage/Composite + direct rendering clients

2004-05-17 Thread Andy Ritger
On Mon, 17 May 2004, Jim Gettys wrote: On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 11:41, Andy Ritger wrote: I've given some thought to how best to integrate direct rendering clients with Damage/Composite. For the below discussion, I'll focus on GLX as the direct rendering client but the same concepts should

Re: Getting a DRM right from the start

2004-05-17 Thread Eric Anholt
On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 14:23, Felix Kühling wrote: Hi, I'm using a few spare hours to get started working on the Savage DRM driver. I'm going to have to rewrite it from scratch. The current sarea definition is essentially copied from the MGA driver and the only 3 driver-specific ioctls are

Re: Mode manager / Framebuffer management

2004-05-17 Thread Vladimir Dergachev
Take a not atypial card - the sis6326 Frame buffer within the low 4Mb Z buffer within the low 4Mb or AGP or main memory Xv buffers in the low 4Mb Textures in main memory, agp or any of 8Mb but all parts must be in the same type of RAM Alan, perhaps I am missing something, but 4Mb seems a little

Re: [Mesa3d-dev] Re: [Dri-devel] Memory management of AGP and VRAM

2004-05-17 Thread Jon Smirl
--- Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Iau, 2004-05-13 at 01:58, Jon Smirl wrote: --- Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: argument for _good_ console support becomes that after boot you run a graphical user space console app built with OpenGL, antialiased true When I proposed this a

Re: [Xorg] Re: Damage/Composite + direct rendering clients

2004-05-17 Thread Jim Gettys
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 16:03, Andy Ritger wrote: 2) some damage occurs, composite manager sends composite request, additional rendering is performed, part of which the composite operation picks up, but the rest of the rendering is not composited until the next