Re: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
Hello, Now Dspam runs with the web interface. Indeed, I do not have the graphics available, but this still comes. Many thanks once again for the patience. !DSPAM:1011,48dc1572150924172574179!
RE: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
I do not get the web interface to work. In error.log is no entry. Suexec I have deactivated, but more than the code one cannot see. http://home.silvio-siefke.de/dspam_cgi/dspam.cgi The above link seems to be working, I get an authentication box. What do you get when you fill in the correct username/password?? Regards, D. !DSPAM:1011,48d73812150924266797261!
Re: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
Dudi Goldenberg schrieb: The above link seems to be working, I get an authentication box. What do you get when you fill in the correct username/password?? Excuse me, I should have sent Login data with. It appears after the Login only of the Source code. The login: test/test URL: http://home.silvio-siefke.de/dspam_cgi/dspam.cgi Regards Silvio !DSPAM:1011,48d752ea150923651531076!
RE: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
The login: test/test URL: http://home.silvio-siefke.de/dspam_cgi/dspam.cgi I'd say that you are missing some apache modules. Not being an apache expert - I can't really say which modules, but I think that libapache2-mod-perl2 is a good candidate. Another option is that you need a AddHandler declaration for perl/cgi/what ever you need. Regards, D. !DSPAM:1011,48d75821150921680628034!
RE: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
The web interface runs. What must I do now with it the whole one is also to be seen? I do not understand. Do you see your history etc. there?? D. !DSPAM:1011,48d775f0150921381137826!
Re: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
Hello, No I see nothing. http://home.silvio-siefke.de/dspam_cgi/dspam.cgi test/test Regards Silvio !DSPAM:1011,48d77a01150924226983869!
RE: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
No I see nothing. http://home.silvio-siefke.de/dspam_cgi/dspam.cgi test/test Is 'test' a user on the machine? Did you send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will have to add 'test' to the mysql dspam db. Assign an id etc. There is simply no valid data to be seen. If you list 'test' in the admins file (or login with a user with admin privs), then that user will be able to view all data for all dspam users. Regards, D. !DSPAM:1011,48d77b6d150926980017551!
Re: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
Hello, Dudi Goldenberg schrieb: This is not clear. Try to run 'dspam --debug' to get a more detailed log. Now I believe it runs. I have new compiled once again and it seems to run. mail.log Sep 21 11:39:04 silviosiefke postfix/pickup[15505]: 7326B50805D: uid=106 from=[EMAIL PROTECTED] orig_id=0565950805C Sep 21 11:39:04 silviosiefke postfix/cleanup[15544]: 7326B50805D: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 21 11:39:04 silviosiefke postfix/qmgr[15507]: 7326B50805D: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1099, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 21 11:39:04 silviosiefke postfix/local[15546]: 7326B50805D: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=114, delays=114/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir) Sep 21 11:39:04 silviosiefke postfix/qmgr[15507]: 7326B50805D: removed Sep 21 11:39:43 silviosiefke postfix/smtpd[15628]: connect from mail.gmx.net[213.165.64.20] Sep 21 11:39:43 silviosiefke postfix/smtpd[15628]: 8B5E550805C: client=mail.gmx.net[213.165.64.20] Sep 21 11:39:43 silviosiefke postfix/cleanup[15544]: 8B5E550805C: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 21 11:39:43 silviosiefke postfix/qmgr[15507]: 8B5E550805C: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=979, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 21 11:39:43 silviosiefke postfix/smtpd[15628]: disconnect from mail.gmx.net[213.165.64.20] Sep 21 11:39:43 silviosiefke postfix/smtpd[15634]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Sep 21 11:39:44 silviosiefke postfix/smtpd[15634]: F394350805D: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] Sep 21 11:39:44 silviosiefke postfix/cleanup[15544]: F394350805D: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 21 11:39:44 silviosiefke postfix/qmgr[15507]: F394350805D: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1349, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 21 11:39:44 silviosiefke postfix/local[15546]: F394350805D: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=0.2, delays=0.17/0/0/0.03, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir) Sep 21 11:39:44 silviosiefke postfix/smtpd[15634]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Sep 21 11:39:44 silviosiefke postfix/lmtp[15631]: 8B5E550805C: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=silviosiefke.dyndns.biz[/tmp/dspam.sock], delay=0.6, delays=0.14/0.01/0/0.45, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message accepted for delivery) Sep 21 11:39:44 silviosiefke postfix/qmgr[15507]: 8B5E550805C: removed Sep 21 11:39:44 silviosiefke postfix/qmgr[15507]: F394350805D: removed Sep 21 11:41:11 silviosiefke dovecot: pop3-login: Login: user=siefke, method=PLAIN, rip=192.168.0.20, lip=192.168.0.25 Sep 21 11:41:11 silviosiefke dovecot: POP3(siefke): Disconnected: Logged out top=0/0, retr=2/2734, del=2/2, size=2700 mail_header X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 11:39:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 1. X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0023 If it has paid off, nevertheless not to surrender. Now I can come along to the web interface. Many thanks for your patience. compile flags ./configure --enable-clamav --enable-debug --enable-daemon --enable-syslog --enable-long-usernames --enable-virtual-users --enable-domain-scale --with-dspam-home=/usr/local/var/dspam --with-logfile=/tmp/dspam.log --with-dspam-owner=dspam --with-dspam-group=dspam --with-storage-driver=mysql_drv --with-mysql-includes=/usr/local/mysql/include/mysql --with-mysql-libraries=/usr/local/mysql/lib/mysql Regards Silvio !DSPAM:1011,48d618f7150921480321255!
RE: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
Now I believe it runs. I have new compiled once again and it seems to run. Good... mail_header X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 11:39:43 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 1. X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0023 I see no signature here, is it there?? Regards, D. !DSPAM:1011,48d62615150921938121569!
Re: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
Hey, Dudi Goldenberg schrieb: I see no signature here, is it there?? X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 12:54:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 1. X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0023 I hope you mean the Signature as the last stands. Not, nevertheless, still somewhere a mistake is. Does one need the web interface absolutely? I do not get it in run, always only status 500. Regards Silvio !DSPAM:1011,48d6292f150921180620608!
RE: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 12:54:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 1. X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0023 This looks fine. I'd add MySQLUIDInSignatureon to dspam.conf though. I hope you mean the Signature as the last stands. Not, nevertheless, still somewhere a mistake is. Does one need the web interface absolutely? I do not get it in run, always only status 500. This depends on how you intend to retrain dspam, if you will use postfix aliases, then you don't really need the GUI. If you want to use any dspam add-in for retraing from Outlook etc, then you will need the GUI. It's a good idea to have the GUI functional, you can change you preferences from it as well etc. Regards, D. !DSPAM:1011,48d62b90150921245614844!
Re: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
ציטוט Silvio Siefke: Hey, Dudi Goldenberg schrieb: I see no signature here, is it there?? X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Sep 21 12:54:17 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 1. X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0023 I hope you mean the Signature as the last stands. Not, nevertheless, still somewhere a mistake is. Does one need the web interface absolutely? I do not get it in run, always only status 500. Maybe the OP has the signature in the body and not in the headers? Regards Silvio !DSPAM:1011,48d62c53150925679190585!
RE: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
Hi Dov, Maybe the OP has the signature in the body and not in the headers? Could be, but I have his dspam.conf, it should be in the headers, and its there :-) Regards, D. !DSPAM:1011,48d62cf8150922770756469!
Re: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
16 messages in and I am lost - what is the current problem that you are having now? On 9/21/08, Dudi Goldenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dov, Maybe the OP has the signature in the body and not in the headers? Could be, but I have his dspam.conf, it should be in the headers, and its there :-) Regards, D. !DSPAM:1011,48d6847f150922025220546!
RE: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
16 messages in and I am lost - what is the current problem that you are having now? Last msg from the OP showed dspam is now working, we are waiting for an update from the OP on the web interface status. Regards, D. !DSPAM:1011,48d69470150921289413159!
Re: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
Hello, Dudi Goldenberg schrieb: Last msg from the OP showed dspam is now working, we are waiting for an update from the OP on the web interface status. I do not get the web interface to work. In error.log is no entry. Suexec I have deactivated, but more than the code one cannot see. http://home.silvio-siefke.de/dspam_cgi/dspam.cgi access.log 192.168.0.20 - - [21/Sep/2008:23:37:30 +0200] GET /dspam_cgi/dspam.cgi HTTP/1.1 401 327 192.168.0.20 - siefke [21/Sep/2008:23:37:30 +0200] GET /dspam_cgi/dspam.cgi HTTP/1.1 200 42822 Directory /var/www/dspam_cgi Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI AllowOverride None Order deny,allow Deny from all AuthType Basic AuthName Antispam Control Panel AuthUserFile conf/dspam require valid-user Satisfy any /Directory Apache 2.2.9, Apache has built I myself. silviosiefke:~# /etc/init.d/apache -V Server version: Apache/2.2.9 (Unix) Server built: Jun 29 2008 16:49:14 Server's Module Magic Number: 20051115:15 Server loaded: APR 1.3.0, APR-Util 1.3.0 Compiled using: APR 1.3.0, APR-Util 1.3.0 Architecture: 32-bit Server MPM: Prefork threaded: no forked: yes (variable process count) Server compiled with -D APACHE_MPM_DIR=server/mpm/prefork -D APR_HAS_SENDFILE -D APR_HAS_MMAP -D APR_HAVE_IPV6 (IPv4-mapped addresses enabled) -D APR_USE_SYSVSEM_SERIALIZE -D APR_USE_PTHREAD_SERIALIZE -D SINGLE_LISTEN_UNSERIALIZED_ACCEPT -D APR_HAS_OTHER_CHILD -D AP_HAVE_RELIABLE_PIPED_LOGS -D DYNAMIC_MODULE_LIMIT=128 -D HTTPD_ROOT=/usr/local/apache2 -D SUEXEC_BIN=/usr/local/apache2/bin/suexec -D DEFAULT_PIDLOG=logs/httpd.pid -D DEFAULT_SCOREBOARD=logs/apache_runtime_status -D DEFAULT_LOCKFILE=logs/accept.lock -D DEFAULT_ERRORLOG=logs/error_log -D AP_TYPES_CONFIG_FILE=conf/mime.types -D SERVER_CONFIG_FILE=conf/httpd.conf Regards Silvio !DSPAM:1011,48d6c08c150927896819859!
Re: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
Le samedi 20 septembre 2008 à 09:46 +0200, Silvio Siefke a écrit : Morning, Dudi Goldenberg schrieb: No, Postfix is not chrooted; In that case, try adding user dspam to group mail. However, the Dspam Socket has not DSPAM as a user / Group, but root. Also chown dspam nothing help. Here is a short how-to I have written on my blog: http://www.kirya.net/articles/setting-up-dspam-as-a-filter-for-postfix-on-debian-sarge/ I have copied most of my config files, hence might help Cheers, Julien !DSPAM:1011,48d4ab41150921077577188!
Re: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
Silvio Siefke wrote: Morning, Dudi Goldenberg schrieb: No, Postfix is not chrooted; In that case, try adding user dspam to group mail. However, the Dspam Socket has not DSPAM as a user / Group, but root. Also chown dspam nothing help. Regards Silvio I think you'll find dspam is not running as root unless you altered it somewhere. adding dspam user to group mail not enough, group not have enough rights to file. howabout chmod the socket? give everyone rw to it... (just to see how it goes to start with, fix security if this proves a point) -rw-rw 1 rootroot 6 2008-09-19 23:52 dspam.pid srw-r--r-- 1 rootroot 0 2008-09-19 23:52 dspam.sock b !DSPAM:1011,48d4b155150921874839188!
Re: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
Hey, Dudi Goldenberg schrieb: It's the postfix/lmtp service that is chrooted here, not smtp... Now there runs DSPAM. Now I must find only the right configuration, DSPAM I have built from the Sourcen myself. silviosiefke:~# /usr/local/bin/dspam --daemon [1] 30778 30778: [09/20/2008 20:34:59] Daemon process starting silviosiefke:~# 30778: [09/20/2008 20:35:10] Ignoring disallowed preference 'trainingMode' 30778: [09/20/2008 20:35:10] Ignoring disallowed preference 'spamAction' 30778: [09/20/2008 20:35:10] Ignoring disallowed preference 'spamSubject' 30778: [09/20/2008 20:35:10] Ignoring disallowed preference 'enableWhitelist' 30778: [09/20/2008 20:35:10] Ignoring disallowed preference 'showFactors' 30778: [09/20/2008 20:35:13] Received error on greeting: 30778: [09/20/2008 20:35:13] Delivery failed completely Thanks for the help. Regards Silvio !DSPAM:1011,48d543ea150926989652046!
RE: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
30778: [09/20/2008 20:35:10] Ignoring disallowed preference 'spamAction' For all the disallowed ignores make sure you have: AllowOverride trainingMode AllowOverride spamAction spamSubject AllowOverride statisticalSedation AllowOverride enableBNR AllowOverride enableWhitelist AllowOverride signatureLocation AllowOverride showFactors AllowOverride optIn optOut AllowOverride whitelistThreshold AllowOverride localStore AllowOverride dailyQuarantineSummary In dspam.conf. I'm not sure what these mean: 30778: [09/20/2008 20:35:13] Received error on greeting: 30778: [09/20/2008 20:35:13] Delivery failed completely But you should run with debug enabled and watch the logs. Regards, D. !DSPAM:1011,48d55916150921485120383!
RE: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
Sep 20 22:04:40 silviosiefke dspam[32678]: bailing on error -2 Sep 20 22:04:40 silviosiefke dspam[32678]: received invalid result (! DSR_ISSPAM || DSR_INNOCENT) : -2 This usually tells you that dspam is unable to find the user. Did you create the dspam db/tables and set a user/pw for the dspam daemon? Regards, D. !DSPAM:1011,48d55cb8150921873427931!
RE: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
I would not like to irritate, but anyhow I stand on the tube. I have create the database (mysql_objects-4.1.sql, purge-4.q.sql) and have put down in dspam.conf. What do you mean with USER / PW for DSPAM daemon? I'm just trying to find out why it does not work for u... If you try: mysql -u username -px dspam replace username x with your real user and password, if you get the mysql prompt, try 'show tables;' just to see that you have proper access to the db. Regards, D. !DSPAM:1011,48d5753d150928583712347!
Re: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
Dudi Goldenberg schrieb: I would not like to irritate, but anyhow I stand on the tube. I have create the database (mysql_objects-4.1.sql, purge-4.q.sql) and have put down in dspam.conf. What do you mean with USER / PW for DSPAM daemon? I'm just trying to find out why it does not work for u... If you try: mysql -u username -px dspam replace username x with your real user and password, if you get the mysql prompt, try 'show tables;' just to see that you have proper access to the db. Yes I Have access silviosiefke:~# mysql -u spam -px dspam Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. Your MySQL connection id is 117 Server version: 5.1.28-rc-log Source distribution Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer. mysql show tables; +--+ | Tables_in_dspam | +--+ | dspam_preferences| | dspam_signature_data | | dspam_stats | | dspam_token_data | +--+ 4 rows in set (0,04 sec) mysql Greeting Silvio !DSPAM:1011,48d57a99150922837621209!
RE: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
Yes I Have access This is good. Now go into mysql, select the dspam db and run: select * from dspam_virtual_uids; and see if you have [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a uid for the user. Regards, D. !DSPAM:1011,48d57c91150921460510114!
Re: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
Hello, Dudi Goldenberg schrieb: If you are the only user on this system then this is no big deal. Only system users are used. If not - maybe it's a good idea to take Julien's advice and install his excellent dspam packages from the kirya.net repo. On my system almost everything is compiled. Thus one has problems with the package installation. First, go into mysql, select the dspam db and create your user: insert into dspam_virtual_uids (uid,username) values('1','[EMAIL PROTECTED]'); (one line) just in case, add just the user: insert into dspam_virtual_uids (uid,username) values('1','siefke'); commit; quit; then, tell dspam to use your mysql id: dspam_admin ch pref siefke localStore 1 dspam_admin ch pref [EMAIL PROTECTED] localStore 1 Then try to send an email and watch the logs... I have done this, but the mistake remains. Sep 21 01:35:36 silviosiefke postfix/smtpd[31633]: connect from mail.gmx.net[213.165.64.20] Sep 21 01:35:36 silviosiefke postfix/smtpd[31633]: 9C54550805C: client=mail.gmx.net[213.165.64.20] Sep 21 01:35:36 silviosiefke postfix/cleanup[31637]: 9C54550805C: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 21 01:35:36 silviosiefke postfix/qmgr[27762]: 9C54550805C: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=2650, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 21 01:35:36 silviosiefke postfix/smtpd[31633]: disconnect from mail.gmx.net[213.165.64.20] Sep 21 01:35:36 silviosiefke dspam[31614]: bailing on error -2 Sep 21 01:35:36 silviosiefke dspam[31614]: received invalid result (! DSR_ISSPAM || DSR_INNOCENT) : -2 Sep 21 01:35:36 silviosiefke dspam[31614]: process_message returned error -2. delivering. Sep 21 01:35:36 silviosiefke postfix/smtpd[31641]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Sep 21 01:35:36 silviosiefke postfix/smtpd[31641]: E16C450805D: client=localhost[127.0.0.1] Sep 21 01:35:37 silviosiefke postfix/cleanup[31637]: E16C450805D: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 21 01:35:37 silviosiefke postfix/qmgr[27762]: E16C450805D: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=2846, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 21 01:35:37 silviosiefke postfix/smtpd[31641]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] Sep 21 01:35:37 silviosiefke postfix/lmtp[31638]: 9C54550805C: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=silviosiefke.dyndns.biz[/tmp/dspam.sock], delay=0.51, delays=0.19/0.01/0/0.31, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message accepted for delivery) Sep 21 01:35:37 silviosiefke postfix/local[31642]: E16C450805D: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=0.22, delays=0.18/0.01/0/0.03, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir) Sep 21 01:35:37 silviosiefke postfix/qmgr[27762]: 9C54550805C: removed Sep 21 01:35:37 silviosiefke postfix/qmgr[27762]: E16C450805D: removed Sorry! Greeting Silvio !DSPAM:1011,48d58a09150928751914785!
Re: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
Hello, Dudi Goldenberg schrieb: Sep 21 01:35:36 silviosiefke dspam[31614]: bailing on error -2 Sep 21 01:35:36 silviosiefke dspam[31614]: received invalid result (! DSR_ISSPAM || DSR_INNOCENT) : -2 Do you see anything in dspam.log? which username is dspam trying to service?? I am running out of ideas... In the log nothing stands. Exactly what is the mail log stands. Then I think I will probably have to remain, nevertheless, with Spamassassin. Appears as Dspam would not like to run. Or if there is a possibility detailed log entries to receive. Many thanks for your efforts. Greetings Silvio !DSPAM:1011,48d58dc1150924855020022!
RE: [dspam-users] DSPAM + Postfix
In the log nothing stands. Exactly what is the mail log stands. Then I think I will probably have to remain, nevertheless, with Spamassassin. Appears as Dspam would not like to run. Or if there is a possibility detailed log entries to receive. Many thanks for your efforts. This is not clear. Try to run 'dspam --debug' to get a more detailed log. Regards, D. !DSPAM:1011,48d5914c150921247113280!
Re: [dspam-users] DSpam + Postfix - what's the best way?
David Reid skrev, on 09-11-2007 13:09: Think the subject line says it all. I've been using DSPAM + Postfix for a while now and it works, but last time I posted someone mentioned a different (better?) way of integrating the two. So, rather than trying to hunt round the web for the various howto's and write ups (many of which seem very out of date or incomplete), can anyone here point me at a current, up to date resource for what they think is the best way to use DSPAM with Postfix? Obviously my way is the best way of integrating dspam with Postfix (and amavisd-new, whatever). But I'll be damned if I'll do a writeup on it; tell what you what you want, what you've done and doesn't work. I have had a philosophy of exactly what I wanted dspam to do with messages from Postfix, integrating that with amavisd-new. And heavy shell scripting. And OpenLDAP. And MySQL. I'm a Unix/Linux sysadmin and used to thinking for myself. Best, --Tonni -- Tony Earnshaw Email: tonni at hetnet dot nl
RE: [dspam-users] DSpam + Postfix - what's the best way?
You problem most likely was that you used TEFT mode for training, you should use TOE mode, global group and database purge and you should never hit 30G database. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Benedicto Júnior Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 7:52 PM To: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: Re: [dspam-users] DSpam + Postfix - what's the best way? Hi fellows, I am a DSPAM/Postfix enthusiastic and used this pair for some time. I need a solution for 20,000 accounts and aproximate 500,000 messages/day. The problem was that, even with all the databases tunnings I found, my dedicated mysql server got this huge ammount of records (~30Gb) and didn't handled the system at a satisfactory time. So, sadly, I had to drop to spamassassin/postfix without bayes and everything is working, except for a lots of false positives and false negatives. I thought maybe it was a mysql problem and a solution with other database handler would solve the problem. I would realy apreciate any directions you point to me to get my dspam running again. Thanks, Ben (sorry for the english) Tony Earnshaw escreveu: David Reid skrev, on 09-11-2007 13:09: Think the subject line says it all. I've been using DSPAM + Postfix for a while now and it works, but last time I posted someone mentioned a different (better?) way of integrating the two. So, rather than trying to hunt round the web for the various howto's and write ups (many of which seem very out of date or incomplete), can anyone here point me at a current, up to date resource for what they think is the best way to use DSPAM with Postfix? Obviously my way is the best way of integrating dspam with Postfix (and amavisd-new, whatever). But I'll be damned if I'll do a writeup on it; tell what you what you want, what you've done and doesn't work. I have had a philosophy of exactly what I wanted dspam to do with messages from Postfix, integrating that with amavisd-new. And heavy shell scripting. And OpenLDAP. And MySQL. I'm a Unix/Linux sysadmin and used to thinking for myself. Best, --Tonni