Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys

On Jan 20, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Woodrick, Ed wrote: > My recommendation (which is severely debated here by others, but it is my > opinion). Forget about learning call sign routing, just don’t worry about it. > Learn how to link and unlink a repeater from another repeater or module and > sit back

Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys

On Jan 20, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Catrina White wrote: > I promise.. this is my last.. until the next time! LOL! > What is callsign routing again? Is that when I have my local repeater's name > in the your call sign? There's a number of ways to do callsign routing. They're documented in the Icom

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

lay mans term for callsign routing. POOR MANS CELLULAR PHONE CALLING. callsign routing work at 1/8th the speed of BEEP BEEP (nextel) BUT in the same concept, when you call sign route, your going to broadcast out over the last repeater that call your attempting to contact was last heard

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

One last thign.. I'm sorry, I forgot what call sign routing is. I found an explanation but I do not understand it. If you could explain it to me in regular lay terms, I would appreciate it. Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include the

Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys

Hi David, Just to clarify, I am not in this situation (and never hope to be!), but I do know of hams that have had to go down that route, I also know some that have circumvented the 'rules', even for HF, with kind permission of the maintenance guy saying "Its to do with the telephone system" or

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

I have no problem with my homeowner association restrictions, since I voluntarily signed the CC&Rs when I purchased the house. I have no one to blame but myself. But I do think Hams in the US should lobby to ask the FCC to extend PRB-1 to apply to Ham antennas. For television antennas, for

RE: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys

Why do things change? In this case it is because call sign routing leaves a LOT to be desired. With the out of the box Icom software, callsign routing is the only thing that you can do. You can't have a net with more than 2 repeaters (multicast somewhat brought the number up higher, but no where

OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys

--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr wrote: > > On 1/20/2010 5:10 PM, ki4umx wrote: > Please note Hank... > > Unless something has changed in her local area, when I regularly talked > to Connie, she usually was on a D-STAR repeater that was nearly > full-time linked to REFLECTO

Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys

I promise.. this is my last.. until the next time! LOL! What is callsign routing again? Is that when I have my local repeater's name in the your call sign? You're right.. there is a steep learning curve, everything is as clear as mud, and #1 rule: change is inevitable! Why they can;t keep things c

Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys

On 1/20/2010 5:10 PM, ki4umx wrote: I went to the D-Star calculator. plugged in Connie's Call (KB0ZSG) and it gave me: Programming for talking to KB0ZSG YOUR:: KB0ZSG** RPT1: KR4AIK*C RPT2: KR4AIK*G "*" represents a space Please note Hank... Unless something has changed in her local area,

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

At 08:28 AM 1/21/2010, you wrote: >What many of us do is to utilize every means possible to provide >communications. There are times when atmospheric conditions make it >impossible to use HF. There are times when any repeater will go off >the air for some reason. What makes Amateur Radio reliab

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

I understood that!! YAY!! Thank you for the help. John, that was fabulous!! now I understand it.. And my attention was definatly captured when you mentioned skiing in there! LOL!! I will be sure to use that next time! LOL! SO, with that, I will let everyone else continue their ON TOPIC discussion

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

Hi David, Well that's interesting because here In Colorado your free to live in any part of the community that suits your needs. The cost or distance from work etc. Is your own cost to bare. It is a choice to live in a community which has an HOA or covenants as much as its a choice to move e

OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys

--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Catrina White wrote: > > Okay.. I am REALLY confused now... > > I looked at the calculator. > I put in my friend's call sign, and it told me this information : > > Set RPT1 and RPT2 to your local module and gateway , Set YOUR to /WA6IRCB or > just hit t

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

On 1/20/2010 4:16 PM, Catrina White wrote: OOPS!! forgot to ask one more thing.. Why when you imput someone's call sign in the Ur call sign do you need to put 3 empty spaces? what happens if you dont imput that? does that mean it wont work? No. You only need spaces if there's a character in th

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

John,   I agree with you about moving this discussion off the list.    But one more thing, I strongly suggest that you read the bill that passed in congress.  I did.  It is not what is portrayed on that Wiki.  It is many times worse than what you are calling socialized medicine.    David, AC7DS

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

Sort of what I said, wasn't it? On Jan 20, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Declan McGlone wrote: No its not, and I suspect most people are bored with the ranting and raving in this thread. With ill informed opinions on Icoms range of expensive junk repeaters to social care for the elderly. None of it us

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

On Jan 20, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Catrina White wrote: Another newbie question for all of you: I wanted to perform an echo test, and was wondering if it is a universal thing such as: repeater name (space) E for instance: KI6JKA_E would perform an echo test to find out if I am making it into t

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

No its not, and I suspect most people are bored with the ranting and raving in this thread. With ill informed opinions on Icoms range of expensive junk repeaters to social care for the elderly. None of it useful and hardly relevant in the context of this group. Whilst I respect peoples personal vie

Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys

Catrina,   The quick answer to your question is, no.  DStar is a system that does A LOT.  It is not confusing, but let me take a stab at it.    You can use the RX->CS button if your friend just called you.  That is the quick way to answer him/her.  If you are calling, and don't know exactly wher

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Has anyone tried using the node adapter in the simplex mode as a link on ...

At 08:00 AM 1/21/2010, you wrote: > > analog connected to DSTAR!! NO THANK YOU! > >I've used a system with a very functional analog >interconnect. There's always some passionate rhetoric when this >topic comes up, a lot like node adapters. Everyone is certainly >entitled to an opinion

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

is this really dstar related Fran Signature -- Fran On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 6:24 PM, John Hays wrote: > > > While I have strong opinions about personal rights and society's needs, > particularly as relates to both HOAs and the way this country pr

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Purchasing a Node Adapter

At 03:53 AM 1/21/2010, you wrote: >Is there anyone else developing an adapter that is not dependant on >Satoshi's firmware? There is new firmware being developed for the node adapter/mini hotspot hardware that is not based on Satoshi's firmware. Stay tuned to the various groups. 73 de VK3JED

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

While I have strong opinions about personal rights and society's needs, particularly as relates to both HOAs and the way this country provides healthcare -- this topic should be moved off list. (And what is being proposed in the US is not Socialized medicine, the UK has socialized medicine,

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

OOPS!! forgot to ask one more thing.. Why when you imput someone's call sign in the Ur call sign do you need to put 3 empty spaces? what happens if you dont imput that? does that mean it wont work?

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

Hey Barry,   Actually they did.  The first freedom they took was your freedom of choice.  And in some areas, its not a choice of living in an HOA controlled commune or not, its a choice of which one is worse, which is no choice.  If you don't want to live in a commune, you have to move ridiculou

Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys

Okay.. I am REALLY confused now... I looked at the calculator. I put in my friend's call sign, and it told me this information : Set RPT1 and RPT2 to your local module and gateway , Set YOUR to /WA6IRCB or just hit the RX->CS button and say Howdy! If "YOUR" is set to /WA6IRCB how am I supposed t

Re: OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys

Neil,   Landlords are a whole different story, since you don't own the property.  In your case, a dongle might be the only way to get out, but don't count on it in an emergency.  That is all I am saying.  You might have a connection, you might not.  With a radio, you at least have simplex when a

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Still the new guy!

On 1/20/2010 3:13 PM, Earl Needham wrote: > Are all the D Star repeaters "open"? > You'd have to ask every repeater owner. :-P Are all analog systems open? How do you know? The ARRL Repeater Directory? How do they know? They ask the local frequency coordinators to ask the owners. :-) N

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Still the new guy!

Are all the D Star repeaters "open"? Tnx Earl KD5XB -- Earl Needham Please TRIM your replies or set your email program not to include the original message in reply unless needed for clarity. ThanksYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web,

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

The E (Echo) function is provided by DPLUS and is on essentially every repeater. The UR position should generically have CQCQCQ in it. The / is an indicator to perform call sign routing. It should only be there is you are doing call sign routing. For more examples, check out the D-STAR Calculato

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

Another newbie question for all of you: I wanted to perform an echo test, and was wondering if it is a universal thing such as: repeater name (space) E for instance: KI6JKA_E would perform an echo test to find out if I am making it into the system? The other question I have, is it necessary when

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

The rights they have to tell you NO to antennas are the rights you freely gave up when moving into a covenant controlled area. They didn't take them from you. I specifically moved to a neighborhood without covenants but give up being able to tell a neighbor they can't store junk or recreational

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy- Re Internet and Dstar

David and Others: I am not a guru, but a know enough to get by. With Dstar, the backend connectivity is TCP/IP. Yes, the internet is used to get to the Trust server and to route traffic to the dstar network. Redundancy for each repeater stack could be built into each repeater site using RF.

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy- Re

David and Others:

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

David, Who is depending on the Internet as the primary transport mechanism for Amateurs? I don't think that anyone on this list is. What many of us do is to utilize every means possible to provide communications. There are times when atmospheric conditions make it impossible to use HF. There a

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

Hey Evans,   I didn't say get rid of the Internet.  The Internet is a great thing.  I personally am not a big fan of Internet only modes, like the dongle, IRLP, Eckolink, WIRES, etc.  They are fun tools and have their place.  If the Internet goes, so do those modes.  Keep the routing and "Intern

OT:Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy: Non RF Guys

Hi David, I get your point, but those hospitalised or in care homes are lucky to have the internet at all. I hope myself or others on this group do not become part of this group. Over here (in the UK), we have landlords that refuse all sorts of things, from anything that penatrates the walls (

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Has anyone tried using the node adapter in the simplex mode as a link on ...

The original question revolved about having an analog repeater relay a reflector's audio out the analog repeater, but to not allow audio from the analog repeater into the reflector. Not something I would do, as it is confusing to users, but it would not inject non-D-STAR into the D-STAR

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Has anyone tried using the node adapter in the simplex mode as a link on ...

Sure, well understood. The 'device' that converts GMSK to audio is a D-Star radio and that would be the auxillary link to the analog repeater system. -Original Message- From: kb9khm Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:19 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re:

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

Neil,   The dongle is a good opportunity for those that have no choice, but is still no substitute for a real radio.  I know, DStar isn't everywhere, YET.  :-D   The part of your message that bothers me is: "Given that some have restrictions on antenna's and planning regs I suppose we could make

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Has anyone tried using the node adapter in the simplex mode as a link on ...

> analog connected to DSTAR!! NO THANK YOU! I've used a system with a very functional analog interconnect. There's always some passionate rhetoric when this topic comes up, a lot like node adapters. Everyone is certainly entitled to an opinion. 73 -- John

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Has anyone tried using the node adapter in the simplex mode as a link on ...

--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Francis Miele wrote: "analog connected to DSTAR!! NO THANK YOU!" --- Obviously there's no need to compromise the all digital integrity of D-Star by connecting it in any way to analog sys

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: New guy

Neil,   The Internet is a very useful thing.  And I am not anti-Internet in any way.  I just argue against depending on it as a primary transport medium for amateurs.  The words "Internet" and "Security" should never be used in the same sentence unless they are talking about the lack of security

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Purchasing a Node Adapter

So, if I buy a board from Mark today, it will have the new firmware installed? If so, great news! Do you have documentation of the protocol interface (for development) and a feature list? On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: Our firmware runs on all the boards (Satosh

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Purchasing a Node Adapter

What you saw last weekend was my 440 dstar repeater. The configuration we were using was using the hot spot software because of a firewall problem on site. However when the repeater is at a site with unlimited internet access it is a full blown dstar repeater with gateway, dplus, dstarmon, etc.

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Purchasing a Node Adapter

> Satoshi will even sell it to them, for a $100 surcharge. Actually, he does not. Satoshi completely ignores such requests, even though I have physical proof of owning several of his boards. > it will become a moot point. It now is, indeed, a moot point. Our firmware runs on all the boards (Sato

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] "Customers"

Let me express my point of view:  Every organization has customers. You may not call them customers, but they are people that you serve. When I worked in the Purchasing Department of a big company, my customers were the "user groups". The people in the company that actually used the stuff that I

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] "Customers"

On Jan 20, 2010, at 9:42 AM, J. Moen wrote: I'm not advocating talking to club members or government agencies, or writing documents, that refer to them as customers. I'm talking about an attitude, where you understand a customer is someone you are serving and whose needs you need to und

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Purchasing a Node Adapter

On Jan 20, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Francis Miele wrote: I don't think they are doing anything shady. They have their own version of a board and clearly state that they DO NOT supply the firmware. However, I'm sure an enterprising individual could locate some versions of the firmware elsewhere or

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] We have our own frmware! (was: Re: Purchasing a Node Adapter)

Just for the record: I have never sold, and will not ever sell any of these products with Satoshi's firmware. I pretty much know for sure the same goes for Mark Phillips. Karl Powell in the UK had a deal with Satoshi where he could sell his products with Satoshi's firmware, but since he was sell

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Purchasing a Node Adapter

Fred is Fred Van Kempen - PA4YBR. The man behind http://www.dutch-star.nl/ Mark (KB9KHM) --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "ka2ugz" wrote: > > Hi Mark - > > Who is doing this development of new non-Satoshi firmware? Is it you, and > who is "Fred"? > > 73 de KA2UGZ - Jay > > > > > Ne

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Has anyone tried using the node adapter in the simplex mode as a link on ...

A node adapter does not, at any point, convert a D-STAR GMSK signal to analog audio. Mark (KB9KHM) --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "ka2ugz" wrote: > > an analog repeater? The purpose would be to connect a reflector to a > tradional analog repeater. If you prevented analog generated au

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Purchasing a Node Adapter

I don't think what Mark Phillips G7LTT/NI2O and Fred van Kempen PA4YBR are doing with their "Satoshi" clone boards is shady, though their customers may end up with questionable practices. Mark Phillips wrote this on another reflector -- "Satoshi's original design (from which mine is derived)

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Purchasing a Node Adapter

I don't think they are doing anything shady. They have their own version of a board and clearly state that they DO NOT supply the firmware. However, I'm sure an enterprising individual could locate some versions of the firmware elsewhere or buy it from Satoshi. Fran, W1FJM On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 a

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] "Customers"

I'm not advocating talking to club members or government agencies, or writing documents, that refer to them as customers. I'm talking about an attitude, where you understand a customer is someone you are serving and whose needs you need to understand. It is a way of thinking that all service p

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Purchasing a Node Adapter

Hi Fran - I'm not familar with Kenwood repeaters; my repeater history started with converting GE Master and Motorola Micor radios for repeater use. Today we run ICOM and Vertex repeaters. Is the Kenwood running FM-N, FM-W? 73 de KA2UGZ - Jay --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Francis Mi

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Moderator - Msg 9440 contains a link to an adult website

Indeed it does - him.it - but not intentionally. Peter had some poor punctuation "from him.it was not" instead of "from him, it was not" steve --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "ka2ugz" wrote: > > > > in the text there is a link "him.it" to an adult website. > > 73

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Moderator - Msg 9440 contains a link to an adult website

in the text there is a link "him.it" to an adult website. 73 de KA2UGZ - Jay

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Purchasing a Node Adapter

Hi Mark - Who is doing this development of new non-Satoshi firmware? Is it you, and who is "Fred"? 73 de KA2UGZ - Jay > New non-Satoshi firmware will be available "very soon". And the Hot Spot > application already works with this new firmware and drivers. Fred's new > drivers also get

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Purchasing a Node Adapter

You've got to break the chicken and egg concepts. Not every person in your club has to have a D-STAR radio. And few will buy one if there aren't any local repeaters. What I would recommend is thinking about making your club a leader in technology, not a follower. It helps out membership and ca

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Purchasing a Node Adapter

Thanks for the link Fran. Seems like these guys have the not-so-mini-hot-spot for sale but they tell you you still need to get the firmware from Satoshi... kind of a circular path. I guess they are fulfilling the need for hardware but in a way that seems kind of shady. If I am going to do this

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Purchasing a Node Adapter

I bet that is what you saw. That is what we do, but we have interfaced a node adapter into a kenwood repeater. Works GREAT!!! Fran, W1FJM On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:20 AM, ka2ugz wrote: > > > Thanks for the feedback Ed. > > For some reason, maybe terrain of the north shore of Long Island, it is

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Has anyone tried using the node adapter in the simplex mode as a link on ...

analog connected to DSTAR!! NO THANK YOU! Fran, W1FJM On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:24 AM, ka2ugz wrote: > > > an analog repeater? The purpose would be to connect a reflector to a > tradional analog repeater. If you prevented analog generated audio from > reaching the reflector it would

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Has anyone tried using the node adapter in the simplex mode as a link on ...

an analog repeater? The purpose would be to connect a reflector to a tradional analog repeater. If you prevented analog generated audio from reaching the reflector it would be like rebroadcasting space shuttle mission over the analog repeater. Again the purpose for asking is to get some traff

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Purchasing a Node Adapter

Thanks for the feedback Ed. For some reason, maybe terrain of the north shore of Long Island, it is easier to get to K2DIG than W1NLK from the base antenna. Maybe the line of sight to NYC is along the south shore which has comparitavely low elevation. Our investigation into D-Star a few years

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] "Customers"

On Jan 19, 2010, at 7:28 PM, J. Moen wrote: > > The use of the word customer has begun to move away from the former financial > definition to refer to the consumer of services from a service provider. The > point is that any service provider, including volunteers in non-profit > activities,

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] TX messages for ID-800H

You forgot to note, they're pre-stored messages that go out on each transmission and show on the SCREEN of the far-end receiving radio. They give you a few so you can change the message easily without having to reprogram it, so you can have multiple "default" messages. Nate WY0X On Jan 19, 2

Long messages (Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Purchasing a Node Adapter)

On Jan 19, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Jess wrote: > What will it take to get folks here NOT to append hundreds of lines of > previous messages to their replies? I try to keep up with the Yahoo D-Star > groups on my Blackberry but it's impossible because that device limits the > size of an incoming emai