RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] I Want To Know???

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Woodrick, Ed Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 12:35 AM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] I Want To Know??? Put 5 hams in a room, ask a question, you'll usually get 7 different answer

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] I Want To Know???

You might want to get your numbers straight. There are over 12,000 users registered worldwide. The system hears over 1800 users transmit every day. There are over 500 repeaters worldwide and I believe that slightly over half of that is in the US. The northeastern corridor has been one of the s

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: I Want To Know???

i can say its a growing mode here in Connecticut. 5 repeater systems/stacks and new users every week. remember dstar radios do analog too so you get the best of both worlds. Fran, W1FJM On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 8:50 PM, milkman wrote: > > > > > --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com , > John Hays

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: I Want To Know???

--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, John Hays wrote: > > > On May 5, 2010, at 4:49 PM, milkman wrote: > > > I'm new to this group and would like to start off first saying Hello > > to everyone here. Now what I don't understand is this. It seems to > > me that D-Star could just be a huge

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] I Want To Know???

On May 5, 2010, at 4:49 PM, milkman wrote: I'm new to this group and would like to start off first saying Hello to everyone here. Now what I don't understand is this. It seems to me that D-Star could just be a huge money pit at this time. As I look around my state we have 4 D-Star repeater

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] D-Star commercial radios

At 07:12 AM 5/6/2010, you wrote: >e_l_green KI6WBX wrote: "Which brings up the question of why 144/440 >is all that's commercially available for D-STAR use, given the crowding... " > >I've read that since Japan amateurs don't have access to the 220 mHz >band, Japanese radio manufacturers are le

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] I Want To Know???

I'm new to this group and would like to start off first saying Hello to everyone here. Now what I don't understand is this. It seems to me that D-Star could just be a huge money pit at this time. As I look around my state we have 4 D-Star repeaters total. Out of over 230 repeaters. And none of t

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] DSTAR newcomer

On May 5, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Nate Duehr wrote: The only reason at the end of the day is to transmit voice or data to another D-STAR repeater located somewhere other than the original repeater. If you have a need for linking, it's great. If not, there's no other need. Stand-alone or

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] DSTAR newcomer

On 5/5/2010 6:10 AM, rOn wrote: I am new to DSTAR and need some enlightenment. Other than temporary EMCOMM ops why would anyone want to connect DSTAR to the internet? I need facts not attacks. rOn Hi Ron, The only reason at the end of the day is to transmit voice or data to another D-STAR

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

On 5/5/2010 3:34 PM, Evans F. Mitchell KD4EFM wrote: Let me state this and asked if this is true as your statement: My Motorola GM300 is digital capable. My ACER Monitor is digital capable. My Motorola MTS2000 is digital capable. MY ICOM is Digital capable when it has the GMSK modem installed.

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Alinco Digital (Was: US D-STAR band planning and directories)

I believe he is referring to the Alinco EJ-47U digital voice board -- it is not compatible with any of the standards. On May 5, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Evans F. Mitchell KD4EFM wrote: So explain what is so digital capable about the ALINCO's please. I do not see the relevance to your statement. I

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories (Was:No DSTAR in South Carolina or Georgia?)

On 5/5/2010 7:07 AM, Jay Maynard wrote: > > In the end, coordination is not a technical job. It's a political one. Actually if the FCC deems that you didn't do the technical side of coordination right, and testifies to such during a lawsuit, you might find yourself on the wrong side of a neglige

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

"My alinco is digital capable" Ok, let's all do a full stop and think about what you just said.. What kind of digital capable is your alinco??? GMSK, APRS, D-Star, PSK-31, ect. ect. ect. Better yet, ALINCO DIGITAL digital capability... WHAT IS THAT? Yeasu digital, well we all kn

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] D-Star commercial radios

On May 5, 2010, at 2:12 PM, J. Moen wrote: I've read that since Japan amateurs don't have access to the 220 mHz band, Japanese radio manufacturers are less inclined to design for that band. Too bad they can't make enough money selling into other markets worldwide to justify tri-band D-St

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] D-Star commercial radios

e_l_green KI6WBX wrote: "Which brings up the question of why 144/440 is all that's commercially available for D-STAR use, given the crowding... " I've read that since Japan amateurs don't have access to the 220 mHz band, Japanese radio manufacturers are less inclined to design for that band. To

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories (Was: No DSTAR in South Carolina or Georgia?)

On 5/4/2010 7:55 PM, John Hays wrote: > I totally agree that coordinators need to get their act together and > cleanup paper repeaters and even make highest and best use decisions > for pairs (open and occupied is higher use than closed and quiet Coordinators are NOT allowed to make this decisio

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] No DSTAR in South Carolina or Georgia?

On 5/4/2010 2:32 PM, J. Moen wrote: It would make sense for ARRL to scrape off the info from http://www.dstarusers.org/repeaters.php and add that to their directories with a footnote about the source. That would be providing some more leadership, too.

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] No DSTAR in South Carolina or Georgia?

On 5/4/2010 12:44 PM, Francis Miele wrote: > You can't blame the league. As I understand it, it is up to the > repeater coordinating bodies in each state to supply the info to the > league, If the repeaters are not coordinated, they probably don't get > listed. > > Fran, W1FJM I haven't been t

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

Don't retire to northern California. 2 meters is full. PAVE PAWS radar is knocking 70cm repeaters on hills and mountains off the air. No off the shelf D-Star radios on 220. 1.2 gHz is good for some things, but more expensive at this point. All the while, there are 2 meter frequency pairs go

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: US D-STAR band planning and directories

Right on Mike! Back in Texas we had a name for people were against any new technology, we call them C.A.V.E. Men: Citizens Against Virtually Everything Let's just move forward and embrace all the new technology. If you don't like it, you don't have to use it. I remember when Hams started usi

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 11:27:03AM -0700, bruce mallon wrote: > There is ZERO chance they will comply we have given up on 400 - 500 even > the d-star guys don't go there. John you a smart guy? . they will not > move d-star / analog means nothing to them only echo-link . Would you please qu

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

The horse is dead. Long live the horse. Let's move on, please! Mike WM4B From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bruce mallon Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:27 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

There is ZERO chance they will comply we have given up on 400 - 500 even the d-star guys don't go there. John you a smart guy  . they will not move d-star / analog means nothing to them only echo-link .   THIS ..    WHILE 145.500 - 145.800 sits empty ...

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

What's stupid is that these repeater sub-band frequencies aren't coordinated. Once they are coordinated, then the uncoordinated users in the spectrum will need to resolve all interference issues they cause and coordination is a function for repeaters, not simplex nodes. Those are the re

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

How stupid now they will have to run off all the echo-link stations FIRST LOTS OF LUCK . they are spreading like a cancer even common net frequencies here they TONE there receivers and transmit over local nets Yep wait until they put those repeaters on ... 146.400-500 is a mess of UN co

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: US D-STAR band planning and directories (Was:No DSTAR in South Carolina or G

On May 5, 2010, at 10:40 AM, e_l_green wrote: Which brings up the question of why 144/440 is all that's commercially available for D-STAR use, given the crowding in the 144 band and now, apparently, in the 440 band. Digital voice cell phones are operating successfully in bands near the 3

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: US D-STAR band planning and directories (Was:No DSTAR in South Carolina or G

--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Jay Maynard wrote: > But the D-Star community can help, too. Is 2 meters full? Then DON'T PUT UP > A 2-METER BOX! Pretty much every D-Star radio these days is a dual bander. > The few single-banders are all first-generation and a pain to use, and the > D-Sta

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 09:16:55AM -0700, bruce mallon wrote: > There is NO repeater councle that would stick there necks out and give the > simplex frequencies to d-star you want a frequency war you would have > it .. The Texas VHF-FM Society has done exactly that. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

NO REPEATER COUNCIL WILL GIVE THE STANDARD SIMPLEX PAIRS TO D-STAR OR ANY OTHER REPEATERS !   I have been on 2 FM since 1969 and NEVER has the FRC even given that thought.   There is no reason to put more repeaters on the air  HERE in Tampa there is little to no usage of the ones That are already

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

On May 5, 2010, at 9:23 AM, bruce mallon wrote: BTW My ALINCO is digital compatible how about ICOM getting with ALINCO and making a board ? The Alinco radios could be on D-STAR so easy. One could probably even make a board to go where their non-standard digital card goes. The

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

I have used transverters as well and I have at least 2 223 mhz radios (handheld and mobile). But neither does D-STAR and the general population wants a self-contained simple radio to put on their belt or in their car/truck without extra boxes or having to do the math to figure out what fre

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

I have been on 223 since 1974 ( first radio was a regency hr-220 ) with a good station range is the same as 2 meters and YES just like i work dx on 2 meters   223 opens up too In TAMPA BAY there are 3 repeaters on 223 UNUSED 99% of the time. --- On Wed, 5/5/10, Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D) wrote:

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

It is not a matter of "giving" frequencies, the frequencies in question can already be legally used for repeaters (http://www.zerobeat.net/part97/c.html#205 ), it is only tradition that has simplex operating there. Any amateur of the proper license class can put a repeater there, its a matter

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

"I was hoping Alinco would offer a DSTAR add on board to make their radio compatible."   Yes I AGREE they should we have a active 223 mhz group here in Tampa it would encourage use of a very good band with little activity.   BTW I work for the sheriff office here but we use UHF ANALOG non trunkin

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

DSTAR on 220 sounds like it would make a tremendous lot of sense. Propagation similar to 2M - No Pave Paws ? Radar - clean spectrum available - Antennas and Duplexers would be an issue for a little while, but could surely be overcome. Folks would for the most part be buying a new Icom repeat

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

Phase 1 project 25 digital is a public safety specification. I know of no amateur radios in production that offer P25. For interoperability many public safety entities install base station equipment for the non-compatible system and cross connect the foreign radio system through a switch to t

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

BTW My ALINCO is digital compatible  how about ICOM getting with ALINCO and making a board ? --- On Wed, 5/5/10, John Hays wrote: From: John Hays Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 12:14 PM

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

have you ever heard of a TRANSVERTERS ? i used to build them back in the 60's to put any radio i had on to any frequency i wanted it to go  YES even 223 mhz BTW I have a station on 223 mhz and have since 1974. --- On Wed, 5/5/10, John Hays wrote: From: John Hays Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGI

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

Ok being serious   There is NO repeater councle that would stick there necks out and give the simplex frequencies to d-star you want a frequency war you would have it .. --- On Wed, 5/5/10, John Hays wrote: From: John Hays Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning an

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

And how many P25/MotoTurbo/NXDN/D-STAR radio models are available for 223 mhz.? I think it is a great market for someone to build a 223 mhz. D-STAR radio and repeaters, and the home brew crowd can get there (Yahoo! gmsk_dv_node and pcrepeatercontroller) but until you have an "off the shel

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

i think on 223 mhz your idea would work --- On Wed, 5/5/10, John Hays wrote: From: John Hays Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 11:57 AM   There is no need for APCO P25 protocol compatibili

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

There is no need for APCO P25 protocol compatibility. They are different designs for different purposes. Hams are not a managed fleet like public safety systems. That being said, creating a 12.5 kHz. band plan in the portion of the REPEATER sub-band currently used for analog simplex would

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] DSTAR newcomer

Ron, As a Ham that was away from the hobby for 30 years and just back I find D-STAR inovative and amazing use of technolgy. As I am writing this I have my HT on and am hearing conversations all over the Country and the World on my FM HT. I have my HT connected to a laptop using D-RATS and can see

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

"Speaking personally, I believe D-Star is the future of amateur radio for the niche that analog VHF/UHF-FM currently occupies, for a host of reasons.    ( like being compatable with apco  format ? )

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] DSTAR newcomer

We use the internet connection to help with practicing for emcomm. our local county ARES is using D-RATS over D-STAR for digtial com. We do a weekly net, and people that don't have a D-STAR radio, or are traveling can connect via the internet (DV Dongle, or D-RATS reflector in this case) and p

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] DSTAR newcomer

Ron, There are many reasons. The biggest is probably that when repeaters are linked, users on all repeaters can talk to each other. It is quite common for systems that are connected to reflectors, particularly REF001C or REF030C to have conversations with people from all across the world. We ha

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories (Was:No DSTAR in South Carolina or Georgia?)

On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 08:39:52PM -0700, J. Moen wrote: > Regarding the US -- since the coordinating bodies do give out > coordinations, and Part 97 says any interference between a coordinated and > uncoordinated repeater must primarily be resolved by the latter, these > bodies do have a lot of p

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories (Was: No DSTAR in South Carolina or Georgia?)

On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 09:34:19PM -0700, bruce mallon wrote: > 146.52 is what on the ARRL band plan back almost 40 years ? The ARRL's not the authority when it comes to band plans. Your local coordinating body is. > Now lets get the repeater groups to clean up what is already being used > for re

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] DSTAR newcomer

Ron, I saw it as a way to increase my knowledge in the spirit of Amateur radio and new technology. Not that newer is better, but digital is newer than analog. There are many technology driven products and kits based on digital and dstar initiatives. A chance to learn and share that with fello

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: DSTAR newcomer

Please excuse the W2CB - I misread W2CTX...sri. --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, "bosshardss" wrote: > > Hi Ron and welcome to dstar.

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: DSTAR newcomer

Hi Ron and welcome to dstar. The obvious is internet connection provides networking between repeaters. There is much more. If I program W2CB into the UR field on my radio, the network will route my call to the last repeater you keyed. Kinda like a primative follow me roaming feature. When y

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] DSTAR newcomer

I am new to DSTAR and need some enlightenment. Other than temporary EMCOMM ops why would anyone want to connect DSTAR to the internet? I need facts not attacks. rOn

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories (Was:No DSTAR in South Carolina or Georgia?)

On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 08:56:02PM -0700, bruce mallon wrote: > "EchoLink? Sure. D-Star? Not repeaters. Repeaters can't operate there." > I don't remember saying anything about repeaters on 145.500 -145.800 How much D-Star simplex work is there? D-Star is not anywhere near as useful without a repe

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] US D-STAR band planning and directories

10% of the radios sold on 144 mhz are D-star so all you need in Tampa is 2 repeater pairs so since there are at least 4 already 2 need to go back to analog .   Makes as much sence as 10% of the users tying up all know simplex pairs . a good way to make friends for your mode .   145.500 -