Re: [dwm] way towards 5.0

2008-05-19 Thread pancake
The floating layout is totally useless when it comes to mouseless usage and even with the mouse there is no window manager that provides such weak functionality to manage floating windows. I disagree. I think the floating mode is as usable as in traditional WMs -- which functionality

[dwm] lost keyboard with dmenu

2008-05-19 Thread pancake
I usually install new versions of applications in my PREFIX, and dmenu needs to update most of time the cache. When this happens, dmenu takes the keyboard input and it's impossible to open a terminal or type things in a chat, etc.. The 'esc' key is not handled directly, so you have to wait until

Re: [dwm] lost keyboard with dmenu

2008-05-19 Thread Premysl Hruby
On (19/05/08 11:16), pancake wrote: I usually install new versions of applications in my PREFIX, and dmenu needs to update most of time the cache. When this happens, dmenu takes the keyboard input and it's impossible to open a terminal or type things in a chat, etc.. The 'esc' key is not

Re: [dwm] way towards 5.0

2008-05-19 Thread Joerg van den Hoff
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 04:05:16PM +0200, Anselm R. Garbe wrote: Here are the most recent changes I did to the codebase today (most stuff towards 5.0 is done now). - DEFGEOM is replaced by a function updategeom(), and a function pointer updategeom in each layout definition - removed

[dwm] sic ipv6 patch

2008-05-19 Thread Sylvain Bertrand
diff -u sic-0.9/LICENSE sic-0.9-ipv6/LICENSE --- sic-0.9/LICENSE 2007-02-13 17:02:16.0 +0100 +++ sic-0.9-ipv6/LICENSE2008-05-19 13:32:09.0 +0200 @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ MIT/X Consortium License -(C)opyright MMV-MMVI Anselm R. Garbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] +(C)opyright MMV-MMVIII

Re: [dwm] sic ipv6 patch

2008-05-19 Thread Anselm R. Garbe
Hi Sylvain, any chance to let us agree on the MIT license for the IPv6 bits? Kind regards, Anselm On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 01:51:18PM +0200, Sylvain Bertrand wrote: diff -u sic-0.9/LICENSE sic-0.9-ipv6/LICENSE --- sic-0.9/LICENSE 2007-02-13 17:02:16.0 +0100 +++

Re: [dwm] way towards 5.0

2008-05-19 Thread Sander van Dijk
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Anselm R. Garbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do people prefer having a fine-grain bar positioning setup or is it more preferred to have a bar setup in the sense top or bottom? I still believe the latter idea is nicer, if someone wants to use dzen, patch updategeom

Re: [dwm] sic ipv6 patch

2008-05-19 Thread Sylvain Bertrand
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Anselm R. Garbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sylvain, any chance to let us agree on the MIT license for the IPv6 bits? Ok, make it all MIT ( 10 lines... :) ), but you should really consider GPLv3 instead of MIT, just because we don't live in a perfect world...

Re: [dwm] sic ipv6 patch

2008-05-19 Thread Anselm R. Garbe
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 04:02:51PM +0200, Sylvain Bertrand wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Anselm R. Garbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sylvain, any chance to let us agree on the MIT license for the IPv6 bits? Ok, make it all MIT ( 10 lines... :) ), but you should really consider

Re: [dwm] sic ipv6 patch

2008-05-19 Thread hiro
Why don't you just use the beerware license? It's really easy to understand. And you will get a lot more out of it.

Re: [dwm] sic ipv6 patch

2008-05-19 Thread hiro
use single GPL licensed software, use Linux and secure your digital freedom! You think this is freedom?

Re: [dwm] sic ipv6 patch

2008-05-19 Thread Anselm R. Garbe
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:49:37AM -0400, hiro wrote: Why don't you just use the beerware license? It's really easy to understand. And you will get a lot more out of it. I should consider dual-licensing it with the beer license ;) -- Anselm R. Garbe http://www.suckless.org/ GPG key:

Re: [dwm] sic ipv6 patch

2008-05-19 Thread Sylvain Bertrand
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 4:52 PM, hiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: use single GPL licensed software, use Linux and secure your digital freedom! You think this is freedom? Freedom which does not defend itself *will* be abused again and again, and after 15 years of software engineering, I said it's

Re: [dwm] sic ipv6 patch

2008-05-19 Thread Anselm R. Garbe
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 05:17:18PM +0200, Sylvain Bertrand wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 4:52 PM, hiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: use single GPL licensed software, use Linux and secure your digital freedom! You think this is freedom? Freedom which does not defend itself *will* be

Re: [dwm] sic ipv6 patch

2008-05-19 Thread Matthias Kirschner
Hello Anshelm, * Anselm R. Garbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-05-19 16:33:36 +0200]: My licensing reasons are rather pragmatic, the reasons why I don't use the GPL* are: 1) I don't understand it completely and in any detail. So I stick to MIT that I know and understand any impact of it. If you

Re: [dwm] way towards 5.0

2008-05-19 Thread Rockwolf
On Sun, 18 May 2008, Anselm R. Garbe wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 12:07:37PM +0200, Jan Christoph Ebersbach wrote: The floating layout is totally useless when it comes to mouseless usage and even with the mouse there is no window manager that provides such weak functionality to manage

Re: [dwm] way towards 5.0

2008-05-19 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 5:42 AM, Anselm R. Garbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 12:07:37PM +0200, Jan Christoph Ebersbach wrote: The floating layout is totally useless when it comes to mouseless usage and even with the mouse there is no window manager that provides such weak

Re: [dwm] sic ipv6 patch

2008-05-19 Thread Sander van Dijk
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Sylvain Bertrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freedom which does not defend itself *will* be abused again and again, Define abuse? According to MIT/BSD, using the code in closed source products is not abuse, it's simply use. Since that does not in any way affect the

Re: [dwm] sic ipv6 patch

2008-05-19 Thread Enno Gottox Boland
Define abuse? According to MIT/BSD, using the code in closed source products is not abuse, it's simply use. Since that does not in any way affect the freedom of the original MIT/BSD licensed code, it shouldn't be a problem. Unless, of course, you want to restrict the users of your code in

Re: [dwm] Documentation!

2008-05-19 Thread David Tweed
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Henrik Holst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:40:39PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been waiting for the code movement to slow down before looking at it again. Can I just confirm dwm will still technically work linked against

Re: [dwm] way towards 5.0

2008-05-19 Thread Anselm R. Garbe
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:54:40AM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 5:42 AM, Anselm R. Garbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 12:07:37PM +0200, Jan Christoph Ebersbach wrote: The floating layout is totally useless when it comes to mouseless usage and even

Re: [dwm] sic ipv6 patch

2008-05-19 Thread Tobias Ulmer
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 07:57:43PM +0200, Enno Gottox Boland wrote: Define abuse? According to MIT/BSD, using the code in closed source products is not abuse, it's simply use. Since that does not in any way affect the freedom of the original MIT/BSD licensed code, it shouldn't be a

[dwm] Freedom (was: Re: sic ipv6 patch)

2008-05-19 Thread Matthias Kirschner
Hi Sander, just my personal point of view: * Sander van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-05-19 19:48:51 +0200]: On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Sylvain Bertrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freedom which does not defend itself *will* be abused again and again, Define abuse? According to

Re: [dwm] way towards 5.0

2008-05-19 Thread Premysl Hruby
On (19/05/08 20:34), Anselm R. Garbe wrote: To: dynamic window manager dwm@suckless.org From: Anselm R. Garbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, for mainstream dwm my opinion has always been to stick to mouse only. But I had occasional cases when I'd like to have keyboard driven resizals as well, esp.

Re: [dwm] way towards 5.0

2008-05-19 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Anselm R. Garbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I will include something like this in the future. Out of curiosity, which keybindings are you using to achieve keyboard-driven movements and resizals, since Mod1-{h,j,k,l} are taken already. At first I used M-C

Re: [dwm] Documentation!

2008-05-19 Thread markus schnalke
Anselm R. Garbe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that things will settle with 5.0, because I already focus more on st. was waiting for that to come true for quite a long time. :-) meillo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [dwm] Freedom (was: Re: sic ipv6 patch)

2008-05-19 Thread Sander van Dijk
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Matthias Kirschner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are people (like) you who say modified BSD/MIT licenses are more free, because users/developers have the freedom to make the software unfree. (More a freedom of the individual.) No no, it's not just people

[dwm] buttonpress patch

2008-05-19 Thread yy
This is the buttonpress patch I have just talked about (incremental to the domax patch). It adds a lot of new functionality, i.e.: - It reverts the old zooming with middle mouse button (or toggling floating if not in tiled layout) with a click inside the window (+ModKey) or in the bar. - With the

Re: [dwm] Freedom (was: Re: sic ipv6 patch)

2008-05-19 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Matthias Kirschner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had university seminars about the term freedom, Your lack of clarity on relevant concepts is not grounds for an ethos. Freedom is an absence of restrictions. The GPL implements restrictions; therefore, it lessens

Re: [dwm] Freedom (was: Re: sic ipv6 patch)

2008-05-19 Thread Sylvain Bertrand
Many are very wrong. The BSD like licenses have more freedom than GPL licenses... since you can wipe out freedom from the code. What is a freedom which can destroy itself? It's is *not* a comparison based on the amount of freedom of each type of license. That's plain stupid. People who are

Re: [dwm] Freedom (was: Re: sic ipv6 patch)

2008-05-19 Thread hiro
it's so easy guys. freedom is when you don't mind looking into LICENSE. Ever heard of pipi langstrumpf?