Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Hi, 2009/4/26 Szabolcs Nagy nszabo...@gmail.com: On 4/26/09, Christian Garbs mi...@cgarbs.de wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:06:08PM +0100, Szabolcs Nagy wrote: On 4/25/09, Christian Garbs mi...@cgarbs.de wrote: work, even without pango or cairo.  I have German umlauts as well as

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2009/4/26 Szabolcs Nagy nszabo...@gmail.com: On 4/25/09, Anselm R Garbe garb...@gmail.com wrote: 1. One idea is getting rid of the dwm bar altogether and to print the dwm state to stdout when it changes, however after thinking carefully about it I conclude that having the bar build-in is

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread Haomin Wen
Oh, sorry. There is a typo. Three but not two Chinese fonts can be displayed. Two of them are too large, and the third one is not bitmap font. On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Haomin Wen wen1...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am sorry but I really hope dwm can switch to using pango. X fonts are

Re: [dwm] Low Power Fanless Computer

2009-04-26 Thread Kai Großjohann
I suggest to buy some sort of laptop or netbook and ignore the internal keyboard/display. Perhaps the Dell Mini 12 is good (since fanless) but I don't know how it fits into the other requirements. Kai On 04/25/2009 02:59 AM, Matthias-Christian Ott wrote: Hi, after a few months of

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread Haomin Wen
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Haomin Wen wen1...@gmail.com wrote: For programmers, there is little difference, or at least it generally will not increase SLOC. Yes, but at the cost of dragging in a huge chain of

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread yy
You could add an option to print the window title to stdout. This way if somebody wants to pipe it to an external program to show window titles (like dzen on top of the dwm bar), they can. -- - yiyus || JGL .

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread bill lam
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Haomin Wen wrote: Hello, I am sorry but I really hope dwm can switch to using pango. X fonts are broken and not well supported, at least in Ubuntu. I have six Chinese fonts shown in xlsfonts, but only two of them can be displayed. Two of them only support 16 pixel and

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread Haomin Wen
I do not care antialias or hinting if there are bitmap fonts, but they are necessary when using some truetype fonts. I use dmenu to show how fonts are broken. https://www.getdropbox.com/gallery/957017/1/dwm?h=fb5e6b On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:13 PM, bill lam cbill@gmail.com wrote: On Sun,

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread Mate Nagy
Hi all, I'm sure there is a severe risk of this piece being understood as flamebait (this is not my intention). However, I strongly believe that the major problem of dwm currently is not font handling (8bit ascii bitmap fonts are perfectly fine thank you); not the status bar (it's great);

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Mate Nagy dixit (2009-04-26, 17:01): However, I strongly believe that the major problem of dwm currently is not font handling (8bit ascii bitmap fonts are perfectly fine thank you); This is a very selfish view. 8-bit character sets suck big way, even not considering anything outside accented

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread bill lam
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Haomin Wen wrote: I do not care antialias or hinting if there are bitmap fonts, but they are necessary when using some truetype fonts. I use dmenu to show how fonts are broken. https://www.getdropbox.com/gallery/957017/1/dwm?h=fb5e6b Thanks, I follow you example by echo

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread Evgeny Grablyk
Hi, Why not make statusbar a (default) compile-time option, and add possibility to export all statusbar information? This way user can choose between builtin statusbar, or make his own. To make things more simple, mouseclick support for statusbar should be removed. As about cairo/pango, again,

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Mate Nagy mn...@port70.net wrote: I strongly believe that the major problem of dwm currently is not font handling (8bit ascii bitmap fonts are perfectly fine thank you); Agree 100%. Folks, if you want unicode support, develop a sane, working implementation.

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread Mate Nagy
...that's from dwm 5.4.1, using xrandr --output DVI-0 --right-of DVI-1. Problem solved. well obviously i had something more sophisticated in mind :) like, horribile dictu, displaying different tags or different layouts on different monitors. or supporting more monitors than 2... M.

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Mate Nagy mn...@port70.net wrote: ...that's from dwm 5.4.1, using xrandr --output DVI-0 --right-of DVI-1. Problem solved. well obviously i had something more sophisticated in mind :) like, horribile dictu, displaying different tags or different layouts on

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread Guillaume Quintin
Hi, I never look at the windows titles. I only look at the tags in the status bar. So for me, this font rendering problem is less important than this problem : handling several monitors. I agree with Mate Nagy about dwm handling correctly several monitors. My point of view is that we should

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread Enno Boland (Gottox)
Hi There! 3. A third idea for legacy support is, that I tend to add a compile-time option or a specific Rule extension that let's you set to reparent all clients or certain clients which are broken such as Mathematica or various Swing apps, though I'm not absolutely sure how likely that

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread David E. Thiel
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 05:09:26PM +0200, Antoni Grzymala wrote: Mate Nagy dixit (2009-04-26, 17:01): However, I strongly believe that the major problem of dwm currently is not font handling (8bit ascii bitmap fonts are perfectly fine thank you); This is a very selfish view. 8-bit

[dwm] [idea] mwm - minimal/minimun/monocle window manager

2009-04-26 Thread Leandro Chescotta
minimal/minimum/monocle window manager, this come to my head today, when i meet antiwm http://sourceforge.net/projects/antiwm this is like dwm, but with no tags, no bottom bar, no layouts, more like ratpoison, the thing is that i tryed ratpoison and antiwm, and it lacks a couple of things, so, i

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 2:08 PM, David E. Thiel l...@redundancy.redundancy.org wrote: Agreed. Proven fact: non-English-speaking people exist. Minimalism and simplicity shouldn't exclude basic functionality like displaying characters in the language the user speaks. Rendering thousands of

Re: [dwm] [idea] mwm - minimal/minimun/monocle window manager

2009-04-26 Thread yy
2009/4/26 Leandro Chescotta leandro.chesco...@gmail.com: - no tags, only a list of opened windows, that you can cycle with one keybinding or Alt+number - no bottom bar, just the window list that you can show/hide - no layouts, only a monocle-like one, and a floating layer for mplayer/feh/gimp

Re: [dwm] [idea] mwm - minimal/minimun/monocle window manager

2009-04-26 Thread Matthias-Christian Ott
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 04:11:25PM -0300, Leandro Chescotta wrote: minimal/minimum/monocle window manager, this come to my head today, when i meet antiwm http://sourceforge.net/projects/antiwm this is like dwm, but with no tags, no bottom bar, no layouts, more like ratpoison, the thing is that

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread David Tweed
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Evgeny Grablyk evgeny.grab...@gmail.com wrote: Why not make statusbar a (default) compile-time option, and add possibility to export all statusbar information? This way user can choose between builtin statusbar, or make his own. To make things more simple,

Re: [dwm] [idea] mwm - minimal/minimun/monocle window manager

2009-04-26 Thread Leandro Chescotta
mmm yes i can, but i was thinking that maybe we can even strip even down dwm code, i don't know a lot about programming (actually very little), so maybe im not the chosen one to do this, i think that the idea is worth the discussion at least On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 4:32 PM, yy yiyu@gmail.com

Re: [dwm] [idea] mwm - minimal/minimun/monocle window manager

2009-04-26 Thread Leandro Chescotta
Well, someone start this earlier, *Wra!thhttp://bbs.archlinux.org/profile.php?id=24472in archlinux forums * here http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70902 hope the best to this project! :) actually it's name is Most Minimal Window Manager (MMWM) lol and it something in between dwm and

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009-04-26 Thread Marc Andre Tanner
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 08:15:40AM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: I may be be in the minority here, but ASCII works wonderfully, and I'm happy with the state of font rendering in dwm. +1 -- Marc Andre Tanner http://www.brain-dump.org/ GPG key: CF7D56C0