Re: [dwm] minimal communication

[Scytrin dai Kinthra]

The challenge is nice. However the major reason I love applications
that follow the suckless philosophy is the tendency to avoid large or
non-ubiquitous libraries. The setup at work is one involving a wide
variety of platforms and configurations, so having a complete setup
that works nigh-everywhere is very very appealing.

I like knowing what's going on but like a very efficient screen usage,
and allowing certain things piped to other things allows a variety of
customizable interfaces and setups. I prize that over shiny GUIs and
amazing configuration any day. I'd rather be able to grep a set of
text files, than adjust history writing settings, memory on scroll
back, or learn client specific commands on regexing the wanted
message.

I've ended up opening up the socket and readline libraries in ruby and
cobbling together a minimal IRC overlay. The most I'll be doing is
color coding output, trimming useless data, and setting up a few
macros for authentication. sic is almost perfect but for a few of it's
choices in output, and I got fed up with figuring out a decent way of
chaining pipes. When I can short circut a setup of 3 or 4 process with
just building a script that opens a few sockets, I'll call that a
gain.
Additionally I can apply the knowledge and already developed code to
when I take a whack a minimal cli jabber client.

2009/3/6 Neale Pickett :
> Ian Daniher  writes:
>
>> Why do you want to use sic over irssi?
>
> Maybe the guy likes a challenge :)
>
>> irssi is pretty light...
>
> The irssi processes on my multi-user server are currently the second
> biggest memory users.  Behind them are the web server, the SMTP, IMAP,
> and POP3 servers, bitlbee, and even the IRC server!
>
> It certainly isn't anywhere near as heavyweight as, say, pidgin, but I'd
> stop short of calling irssi "pretty light".  I'm pretty sure it weighs
> in heavier than any other text-mode client.
>
> Neale
>
>
>



-- 
stadik.net

Re: [dwm] minimal communication

[Neale Pickett]

Ian Daniher  writes:

> Why do you want to use sic over irssi?

Maybe the guy likes a challenge :)

> irssi is pretty light...

The irssi processes on my multi-user server are currently the second
biggest memory users.  Behind them are the web server, the SMTP, IMAP,
and POP3 servers, bitlbee, and even the IRC server!

It certainly isn't anywhere near as heavyweight as, say, pidgin, but I'd
stop short of calling irssi "pretty light".  I'm pretty sure it weighs
in heavier than any other text-mode client.

Neale 

Re: [dwm] [dwm+ow...@suckless.org: Messages from dwm@suckless.org to you have been bouncing]

[Neale Pickett]

Premysl Hruby  writes:

> I had saved one bounce message mlmmj received from your MX, and it
> looks like your MX is acting very strangely (bounce message attached
> to this email).

Wow, his MTA (or maybe MUA) is sending out a delivery status
notification, saying that the message was delivered.  I didn't think any
MTAs actually did that, it can create many problems (like the current
one).

Joerg, you should check your mail client to see if it's sending out
delivery status notifications (DSNs).  What's happening is that your
mail client, or your mail server, is responding back to the message
saying "I got it!"  mlmmj (the list software used at suckless.org, which
I happen to have contributed to) treats any response to the envelope
sender address as a bounced message.

I'm guessing there's some sender on the list who requests delivery
status notifications on their outbound messages, and this is why you
only see the bounces occasionally.

I'll refrain from expounding on my opinion of DSNs.  Check the Internet
if you're curious.

Neale

Re: [dwm] minimal communication

[Ian Daniher]

I use Bitlbee and irssi for Jabber and AIM communication.
Why do you want to use sic over irssi? I suppose you get a major simplicity
boost and you don't need scripting support, but irssi is pretty light...
Best,
--
Ian

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Alan Busby  wrote:

> Just curious, what are the advantages of sic over irssi?
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Jeremy Jay  wrote:
>
>> I'll second bitlbee, although I still use it with irssi.  I do need to
>> try out sic sometime though...
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>> On Sat 07 Mar 2009 - 01:40AM, Uriel wrote:
>> > Bitlbee is the only remotely sane jabber client i know of
>> >
>> > uriel
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/7/09, Scytrin dai Kinthra  wrote:
>> > > I'm slowly migrating from irssi to sic for IRC conversations, setting
>> > >  up up a hotkey in dwm to popup dmenu, which feeds into sic. sic will
>> > >  be displayed in either the root window or a terminal. I'm still
>> > >  figuring out the IPC for this setup to work sanely.
>> > >
>> > >  My question however, is anyone familiar with a jabber client similar
>> > >  to sic? I've looked at freetalk and mcabber. freetalk seems more CLI
>> > >  oriented, but I doesn't seem that piping friendly to me.
>> > >  mcabber uses ncurses as an interface, but already has a few howtos on
>> > >  sending notifications and data to text files, which means I can get
>> > >  notifications similar to sic. But I'd have to utilize the application
>> > >  itself rather than a dmenu pipe.
>> > >
>> > >  Anyone?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  --
>> > >  stadik.net
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [dwm] minimal communication

[Alan Busby]

Just curious, what are the advantages of sic over irssi?

On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Jeremy Jay  wrote:

> I'll second bitlbee, although I still use it with irssi.  I do need to
> try out sic sometime though...
>
> Jeremy
>
> On Sat 07 Mar 2009 - 01:40AM, Uriel wrote:
> > Bitlbee is the only remotely sane jabber client i know of
> >
> > uriel
> >
> >
> > On 3/7/09, Scytrin dai Kinthra  wrote:
> > > I'm slowly migrating from irssi to sic for IRC conversations, setting
> > >  up up a hotkey in dwm to popup dmenu, which feeds into sic. sic will
> > >  be displayed in either the root window or a terminal. I'm still
> > >  figuring out the IPC for this setup to work sanely.
> > >
> > >  My question however, is anyone familiar with a jabber client similar
> > >  to sic? I've looked at freetalk and mcabber. freetalk seems more CLI
> > >  oriented, but I doesn't seem that piping friendly to me.
> > >  mcabber uses ncurses as an interface, but already has a few howtos on
> > >  sending notifications and data to text files, which means I can get
> > >  notifications similar to sic. But I'd have to utilize the application
> > >  itself rather than a dmenu pipe.
> > >
> > >  Anyone?
> > >
> > >
> > >  --
> > >  stadik.net
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Re: [dwm] minimal communication

[Jeremy Jay]

I'll second bitlbee, although I still use it with irssi.  I do need to
try out sic sometime though...

Jeremy

On Sat 07 Mar 2009 - 01:40AM, Uriel wrote:
> Bitlbee is the only remotely sane jabber client i know of
> 
> uriel
> 
> 
> On 3/7/09, Scytrin dai Kinthra  wrote:
> > I'm slowly migrating from irssi to sic for IRC conversations, setting
> >  up up a hotkey in dwm to popup dmenu, which feeds into sic. sic will
> >  be displayed in either the root window or a terminal. I'm still
> >  figuring out the IPC for this setup to work sanely.
> >
> >  My question however, is anyone familiar with a jabber client similar
> >  to sic? I've looked at freetalk and mcabber. freetalk seems more CLI
> >  oriented, but I doesn't seem that piping friendly to me.
> >  mcabber uses ncurses as an interface, but already has a few howtos on
> >  sending notifications and data to text files, which means I can get
> >  notifications similar to sic. But I'd have to utilize the application
> >  itself rather than a dmenu pipe.
> >
> >  Anyone?
> >
> >
> >  --
> >  stadik.net
> >
> >
> 

Re: [dwm] minimal communication

[Uriel]

Bitlbee is the only remotely sane jabber client i know of

uriel


On 3/7/09, Scytrin dai Kinthra  wrote:
> I'm slowly migrating from irssi to sic for IRC conversations, setting
>  up up a hotkey in dwm to popup dmenu, which feeds into sic. sic will
>  be displayed in either the root window or a terminal. I'm still
>  figuring out the IPC for this setup to work sanely.
>
>  My question however, is anyone familiar with a jabber client similar
>  to sic? I've looked at freetalk and mcabber. freetalk seems more CLI
>  oriented, but I doesn't seem that piping friendly to me.
>  mcabber uses ncurses as an interface, but already has a few howtos on
>  sending notifications and data to text files, which means I can get
>  notifications similar to sic. But I'd have to utilize the application
>  itself rather than a dmenu pipe.
>
>  Anyone?
>
>
>  --
>  stadik.net
>
>

[dwm] minimal communication

[Scytrin dai Kinthra]

I'm slowly migrating from irssi to sic for IRC conversations, setting
up up a hotkey in dwm to popup dmenu, which feeds into sic. sic will
be displayed in either the root window or a terminal. I'm still
figuring out the IPC for this setup to work sanely.

My question however, is anyone familiar with a jabber client similar
to sic? I've looked at freetalk and mcabber. freetalk seems more CLI
oriented, but I doesn't seem that piping friendly to me.
mcabber uses ncurses as an interface, but already has a few howtos on
sending notifications and data to text files, which means I can get
notifications similar to sic. But I'd have to utilize the application
itself rather than a dmenu pipe.

Anyone?

-- 
stadik.net

Re: [dwm] GSoC 2009 mentors please shout

[voltaic]

Hey Matthias,

That URL you mentioned has some simple typos in it. The page is not
publicly editable, so I thought I'd let you know. The things that
stick out at me right away are:

"proof" should be "prove"
"Our project scopes focus on advanced" should be "...focuses on advanced"
"projects who focus" should be "projects that focus"
Need a comma after "average and normal end users"

I could go on, but editing that page over email is not the most
efficient way of doing things.


On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Matthias-Christian Ott  wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 03:02:17PM +, Anselm R Garbe wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> please send me a private mail if you'd be willing to mentor a GSoC
>> project this year for suckless.org.
>> We need at least 10 mentors I'd say.
>
> I also created a list of mentors:
>
> http://www.suckless.org:8000/gsoc.html
>
> You may add yourself to the list if Anselm agreed.
>
>> Kind regards,
>> --Anselm
>
> Regards,
> Matthias-Christian Ott
>
>

Re: [dwm] [dwm+ow...@suckless.org: Messages from dwm@suckless.org to you have been bouncing]

[Premysl Hruby]

On (06/03/09 17:24), Joerg van den Hoff wrote:
> To: dwm mail list 
> From: Joerg van den Hoff 
> Subject: Re: [dwm] [dwm+ow...@suckless.org: Messages from dwm@suckless.org
>   to you have been bouncing]
> Reply-To: dwm mail list 
> List-Id: dwm mail list 
> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17)
> 
> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 09:35:43AM +0100, Szabolcs Nagy wrote:
> > On 3/5/09, Szabolcs Nagy  wrote:
> > > 7587 messages: Starting Wed Jul 19 2006 - 06:39:23 UTC, Ending Thu Mar
> > > 05 2009 - 08:03:46 UTC
> > >
> > > so i wonder which is the no. 7600 if there is only 7538..
> > 
> > 7587
> > 
> > (sorry)
> > 
> well the last one I've got ( Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:00:09 + )
> reads:
> 
> ==CUT==
> Hi, this is the mlmmj program managing the mailinglist
> 
> dwm@suckless.org
> 
> Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
> message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
> information.
> 
> Here is the list of the bounced messages:
> 
> 7617
> ==CUT==
> 
> right now the archive counts 7610 mails. I presume this is updated
> only once a day or something?
> 
> so I can wait a day or so before looking which mail bounced, but still:
> is there an easy way to find, e.g, message no. 4321?
> 
> until a few weeks ago I've never seen such bouncing messages. it does'nt
> occur with any other list, too.
> 
> regards,
> joerg
> 

Hi,

sorry for such a late reply,

first: yes, web archive is not updated "live" but twice a day.

That messages you are receiving are just "bounce test" as reaction to
mlmmj receiving bounce message (itself as consequnce of mlmmj trying to
send you a message from mail-list).

I had saved one bounce message mlmmj received from your MX, and it looks
like your MX is acting very strangely (bounce message attached to this
email). 

I hope that it will help you to solve the problem, because from what I
can get from bounce message and mail-logs, it looks like problem on your
side.

Regards,

-Ph



-- 
Premysl "Anydot" Hruby, http://www.redrum.cz/
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Re: [dwm] [dwm+ow...@suckless.org: Messages from dwm@suckless.org to you have been bouncing]

[Joerg van den Hoff]

On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 09:35:43AM +0100, Szabolcs Nagy wrote:
> On 3/5/09, Szabolcs Nagy  wrote:
> > 7587 messages: Starting Wed Jul 19 2006 - 06:39:23 UTC, Ending Thu Mar
> > 05 2009 - 08:03:46 UTC
> >
> > so i wonder which is the no. 7600 if there is only 7538..
> 
> 7587
> 
> (sorry)
> 
well the last one I've got ( Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:00:09 + )
reads:

==CUT==
Hi, this is the mlmmj program managing the mailinglist

dwm@suckless.org

Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
information.

Here is the list of the bounced messages:

7617
==CUT==

right now the archive counts 7610 mails. I presume this is updated
only once a day or something?

so I can wait a day or so before looking which mail bounced, but still:
is there an easy way to find, e.g, message no. 4321?

until a few weeks ago I've never seen such bouncing messages. it does'nt
occur with any other list, too.

regards,
joerg

Re: [dwm] GSoC 2009 mentors please shout

[Matthias-Christian Ott]

On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 03:02:17PM +, Anselm R Garbe wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> please send me a private mail if you'd be willing to mentor a GSoC
> project this year for suckless.org.
> We need at least 10 mentors I'd say.

I also created a list of mentors:

http://www.suckless.org:8000/gsoc.html

You may add yourself to the list if Anselm agreed.
 
> Kind regards,
> --Anselm

Regards,
Matthias-Christian Ott

[dwm] GSoC 2009 mentors please shout

[Anselm R Garbe]

Hi there,

please send me a private mail if you'd be willing to mentor a GSoC
project this year for suckless.org.
We need at least 10 mentors I'd say.

Kind regards,
--Anselm

Re: [dwm] xgamma notify

[Neale Pickett]

On 3/6/2009, "markus schnalke"  wrote:

>I modified `slock' some time ago to display a fullscreen red window
>that closes on any button press. I use it to notify about low battery.

That reminds me, I used to use xrefresh for something similar.

xrefresh -solid red

If you have a fancypants graphics card it might not last long enough to
notice.

Re: [dwm] Re: xgamma notify

[Antony]

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 07:30, Agathoklis D. Hatzimanikas
 wrote:
> How about a sound then?
>
> http://www.zedge.net/ringtones/542303/low-battery-ringtone/

xbattbar-acpi [1] places a bar upon the screen [2] with the current
level of the battery.

[1]: http://www.senzanome.org/xbattbar-acpi/
[2]: http://iplab.naist.jp/member/suguru/xbattbar-screenshot.jpg

-- 
Sincerely,

Antony Jepson /   / GPG Key: 0xFA10ED80

[dwm] Re: xgamma notify

[Agathoklis D. Hatzimanikas]

On Fri, Mar 06, at 07:04 Samuel Baldwin wrote:
> 2009/3/6 pancake :
> > I have been playing a bit with xgamma and I think it can be useful as a
> > graphical
> > notification for important alerts like low battery or so.
> >
> > The usage is quite simple. and we can 'flash' the screen in red for a
> > fraction of a second with:
> 
> What happens if you're not looking at the screen?

How about a sound then?

http://www.zedge.net/ringtones/542303/low-battery-ringtone/

> -- 
> Samuel 'Shardz' Baldwin - staticfree.info/~samuel/

Regards,
Ag.

Re: [dwm] xgamma notify

[markus schnalke]

[2009-03-06 07:04] Samuel Baldwin 
> 2009/3/6 pancake :
> > I have been playing a bit with xgamma and I think it can be useful as a
> > graphical
> > notification for important alerts like low battery or so.
> >
> > The usage is quite simple. and we can 'flash' the screen in red for a
> > fraction of a second with:
> 
> What happens if you're not looking at the screen?

I modified `slock' some time ago to display a fullscreen red window
that closes on any button press. I use it to notify about low battery.

The code is attached.

Example usage:

$ ./redscr
< a red windows appears >

$ ./redscr 336699
< a baby blue window appears >



meillo
/* © 2006-2007 Anselm R. Garbe 
 * See LICENSE file for license details. */
/* #define _XOPEN_SOURCE 500 */
#define VERSION "0.8"

#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 


int main(int argc, char* argv[]) {
	char curs[] = {0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0};
	int screen;
	unsigned int len;
	char screencolor[8] = "#66";
	Cursor invisible;
	Display *dpy;
	Pixmap pmap;
	Window root, w;
	XColor black, dummy;
	XEvent ev;
	XSetWindowAttributes wa;

/* 	printf("argc: %d\n", argc); */

	if (argc > 2) {
		/* invalid option */
		fprintf(stderr, "usage: redscr [--version]\n"
		"   redscr  (color has to be 6 hex chars)\n");
		exit(EXIT_FAILURE);
	}

	if ((argc == 2) && (strcmp("--version", argv[1]) == 0)) {
		/* version information */
		fprintf(stderr, "redscr-%s, (c) 2006-2007 Anselm R. Garbe, 2007 markus schnalke\n", VERSION);
		exit(EXIT_SUCCESS);
	}

	if ((argc == 2)) {
		/* set color */
/* 		printf("arg: %s", argv[1]); */
		screencolor[0] = '#';
		screencolor[1] = '\0';
		strcat(screencolor, argv[1]);
/* 		printf("color is: %s", screencolor); */
	}

	if(!(dpy = XOpenDisplay(0))) {
		fprintf(stderr, "redscr: cannot open display\n");
		exit(EXIT_FAILURE);
	}




	/* init */
	screen = DefaultScreen(dpy);
	root = RootWindow(dpy, screen);

	Colormap cmap = DefaultColormap(dpy, screen);
	XColor color;

	if(!XAllocNamedColor(dpy, cmap, screencolor, &color, &color)) {
		fprintf(stderr,"error, cannot allocate color\n");
		exit(EXIT_FAILURE);
	}

	wa.override_redirect = 1;
	wa.background_pixel = color.pixel;

	w = XCreateWindow(dpy, root, 0, 0, DisplayWidth(dpy, screen), DisplayHeight(dpy, screen),
	0, DefaultDepth(dpy, screen), CopyFromParent, DefaultVisual(dpy, screen),
	CWOverrideRedirect | CWBackPixel, &wa);
	XAllocNamedColor(dpy, DefaultColormap(dpy, screen), "black", &black, &dummy);
	pmap = XCreateBitmapFromData(dpy, w, curs, 8, 8);
	invisible = XCreatePixmapCursor(dpy, pmap, pmap, &black, &black, 0, 0);
	XDefineCursor(dpy, w, invisible);
	XMapRaised(dpy, w);

	for(len = 1000; len; len--) {
		if(XGrabKeyboard(dpy, root, True, GrabModeAsync, GrabModeAsync, CurrentTime) == GrabSuccess)
			break;
		usleep(1000);
	}

	/* main event loop */
	while (ev.type != KeyPress) {
		XNextEvent(dpy, &ev);
		usleep(10);
	}

	XFreePixmap(dpy, pmap);
	XDestroyWindow(dpy, w);
	XCloseDisplay(dpy);
	return 0;
}


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Re: [dwm] xgamma notify

[stanio]

* Alan Busby  [2009-03-06 00:09]:
> urxvt seems to ignore xgamma. So although it's a great idea, it isn't much
> help if you only have some terminals open.

xgamma works with urxvt here.

-- 
 cheers
 stanio_