New mailing list. Was Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-20 Thread Uriel
I suggested a while ago to merge wmii@ and dwm@ into hackers@, both lists are rather low level, and there is much overlap, and such a single list would be more fitting for new minor side projects and for 'offtopic' discussion. Right now when one has something to say that doesn't quite fit in

Re: New mailing list. Was Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-20 Thread Samuel Baldwin
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Uriel urie...@gmail.com wrote: I suggested a while ago to merge wmii@ and dwm@ into hackers@, both lists are rather low level, and there is much overlap, and such a single list would be more fitting for new minor side projects and for 'offtopic' discussion. I

Re: New mailing list. Was Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-20 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. Uriel wrote: I suggested a while ago to merge wmii@ and dwm@ into hackers@, both lists are rather low level, and there is much overlap, and such a single list would be more fitting for new minor side projects and for 'offtopic' discussion. There is a philosophical distraction

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-17 Thread Preben Randhol
On Sat, 16 May 2009 03:31:24 +0200 pancake panc...@youterm.com wrote: I like perl but I agree but it is big for most of uses, but is fast and powerful. I would prefer to use nqp or miniperl which are minimal versions of p5 and p6 compiled at build time to compile itself and do some

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-17 Thread Jacob Todd
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:55:27PM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: As to Ubuntu, you can say what you like, but at least for me the maintenance time reduced dramatically after going from Debian to Ubuntu on the 5-6 machines I maintain. And that is something I appreciate, not how small space I can

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-17 Thread Kurt H Maier
On 5/17/09, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:55:27PM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: As to Ubuntu, you can say what you like, but at least for me the maintenance time reduced dramatically after going from Debian to Ubuntu on the 5-6 machines I maintain. And

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-17 Thread Matthias-Christian Ott
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 01:17:40PM +, Kurt H Maier wrote: On 5/17/09, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:55:27PM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: As to Ubuntu, you can say what you like, but at least for me the maintenance time reduced dramatically after

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-17 Thread Jacob Todd
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 01:17:40PM +, Kurt H Maier wrote: On 5/17/09, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:55:27PM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: As to Ubuntu, you can say what you like, but at least for me the maintenance time reduced dramatically after

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-17 Thread Haomin Wen
Hello, I upgrade my Ubuntu from 7.04 to 7.10, 8.04, and finally 8.10 successfully. I did not upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 because I got a new hard disk on which I installed a fresh new Ubuntu 9.04. Frankly speaking, there are always something wrong after an upgrade, but it is not hard to keep

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-17 Thread Preben Randhol
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:55:27PM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: As to Ubuntu, you can say what you like, but at least for me the maintenance time reduced dramatically after going from Debian to Ubuntu on the 5-6 machines I maintain. And that is something I appreciate, not how small space I

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-16 Thread Mate Nagy
Greetings, Using a prefork or similar technique done by apache f.ex can really accelerate such tasks, so a minimal vi editor with nice features can be really achieved by delegating all such features to external apps or libraries a minimal application with a dozen external modules,

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-16 Thread Marc Andre Tanner
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 03:50:58PM -0500, Kurt H Maier wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Mate Nagy mn...@port70.net wrote:  i don't know what's up with this newfangled popular hate for GNU software. The GNU userland is a thousand times more comfortable and usable than old unix, not

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-16 Thread Marc Andre Tanner
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:07:42PM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2009 17:06:45 +0200 pancake panc...@youterm.com wrote: Actually i'm happy with arch linux, but, i really miss a non-gnu linux and minimalistic distribution. We should get a look on alternatives for glibc

[dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread pancake
another tiling manager with interesting features: http://aerosuidae.net/musca.html

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2009/5/15 pancake panc...@youterm.com: another tiling manager with interesting features: http://aerosuidae.net/musca.html Looks to me it's aiming the original WMI without tabbing a little bit. I definately prefer the dwm way after all ;) Kind regards, Anselm

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread Benjamin Conner
it's interesting. But I prefer dwm or wmii. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Anselm R Garbe garb...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/15 pancake panc...@youterm.com: another tiling manager with interesting features: http://aerosuidae.net/musca.html Looks to me it's aiming the original WMI

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread pancake
What I find interesting is the support for multi-screen. Actually I'm using wmii at work, because dwm cannot properly handle multiscreen layouts and this made me use the mouse too much. Wmii has some bugs, but at least is IMHO better for multiscreen layouts. I think this is the eternal

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2009/5/15 pancake panc...@youterm.com: What I find interesting is the support for multi-screen. Actually I'm using wmii at work, because dwm cannot properly handle multiscreen layouts and this made me use the mouse too much. Wmii has some bugs, but at least is IMHO better for multiscreen

RE: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread Leandro Chescotta
2009/5/15 Anselm R Garbe garb...@gmail.com : I'll provide a new multiscreen support this weekend in dwm. It's based on assigning specific tags to specific screens. I really like the idea La información del presente documento es clasificada como Confidencial.

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread Benjamin Conner
What do you think about creating an offtopic mailing list in suckless for discussing such kind of topics, instead of using the dwm@ one like nowadays happen. I agree with Anselm. I like a lot of your ideas in that message. I really miss the conceptual experimentation that dwm was in the past.

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread pancake
A friend of me is writing a pkgsystem that builds everything inside a chroot and allows to create a full usable distribution, the pkgsystem itself is not yet finished, but is pretty fast , written in C and shellscript and I really think it is a good project. But actually it is a single-man

RE: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread Leandro Chescotta
-Mensaje original- De: pancake [mailto:panc...@youterm.com] Enviado el: viernes, 15 de mayo de 2009 12:07 p.m. Para: dwm mail list Asunto: Re: [dwm] musca wm A friend of me is writing a pkgsystem that builds everything inside a chroot and allows to create a full usable distribution, the pkgsystem

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread yy
2009/5/15 pancake panc...@youterm.com: A friend of me is writing a pkgsystem that builds everything inside a chroot and allows to create a full usable distribution, the pkgsystem itself is not yet finished, but is pretty fast , written in C and shellscript and I really think it is a good

RE: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread Leandro Chescotta
2009/5/15 yy yiyu@gmail.com : There is a suckless alternative to GNU: Plan9. I don't know that, there are apps under Plan9 like GNU? Why make it suckless comparative to GNU? every initiative to remove GNU from the world has my vote. I have also listened good things about

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread nilp
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 05:38:51PM +0200, yy wrote: effort, but it would not give me any real benefit. There is a suckless alternative to GNU: Plan9. If I still run (arch)linux is because I often need things like a full featured web browser, pdflatex, the How about Glendix? Our ultimate goal

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread pancake
+1 :D nilp wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 05:38:51PM +0200, yy wrote: effort, but it would not give me any real benefit. There is a suckless alternative to GNU: Plan9. If I still run (arch)linux is because I often need things like a full featured web browser, pdflatex, the How about

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread Benjamin Conner
I hate X. One of my frineds is doing a thing and seeing how long he can go without X, just on the command line. So far, it's gone good. Though you'll need some X alternitive. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:14 PM, pancake panc...@youterm.com wrote: +1 :D nilp wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread yy
2009/5/15 Leandro Chescotta lchesco...@banelco.com.ar: 2009/5/15 yy yiyu@gmail.com : There is a suckless alternative to GNU: Plan9. I don't know that, there are apps under Plan9 like GNU? Why make it suckless comparative to GNU? In the sense that GNU aims to be a similar to UNIX

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread Mate Nagy
I cannot understand GNU software. ls or cat source in GNU is scary, glibc is even worse. The old UNIX utilities or Plan9 ones have a simplicity which GNU lacks. I don't have anything against the GPL license, but I prefer less restrictive licenses. And, of course, I don't like rms. i don't

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread Brendan MacDonell
On Fri, 15 May 2009, Mate Nagy wrote: Minimalism is a good thing to consider while developing software, but obsessing about it is no better than with anything else. I'm as annoyed with huge monstrous software like OpenOffice or Gnome or even Firefox as anyone, but wanting to take away the

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread Jake Todd
On Fri, 15 May 2009 20:29:11 +0200 Mate Nagy mn...@port70.net wrote: I cannot understand GNU software. ls or cat source in GNU is scary, glibc is even worse. The old UNIX utilities or Plan9 ones have a simplicity which GNU lacks. I don't have anything against the GPL license, but I prefer

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread pmarin
From Bash and readline man page (bugs section): It's too big and too slow. I think this bug is the perfect definition of GNU/FSF style. Have you seen a piece of software that is small, efficient and easy to read and in each new version it become clumsy, slow and bloated? On Fri, May 15,

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread Benjamin Conner
Have you seen a piece of software that is small, efficient and easy to read and in each new version it become clumsy, slow and bloated? Ubuntu. Worse eatch relese. (sp sp) On 5/15/09, pmarin pacog...@gmail.com wrote: From Bash and readline man page (bugs section): It's too big and too

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread Lorenzo Bolla
Quite true, but the last time I installed FreeBSD or Plan9 on my laptop I could barely have the mousepad working... On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Benjamin Conner tommydabo...@gmail.comwrote: Have you seen a piece of software that is small, efficient and easy to read and in each new

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread pancake
On May 15, 2009, at 10:56 PM, Preben Randhol rand...@pvv.org wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2009 15:42:24 +0200 pancake panc...@youterm.com wrote: I really miss the conceptual experimentation that dwm was in the past. But I agree that we should probably focus on other topics like 'st' or a full OS

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread pancake
On May 15, 2009, at 11:07 PM, Preben Randhol rand...@pvv.org wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2009 17:06:45 +0200 pancake panc...@youterm.com wrote: Actually i'm happy with arch linux, but, i really miss a non-gnu linux and minimalistic distribution. We should get a look on alternatives for glibc

Re: [dwm] musca wm

2009-05-15 Thread Charlie Kester
On Fri 15 May 2009 at 16:08:07 PDT pancake wrote: On May 15, 2009, at 10:56 PM, Preben Randhol rand...@pvv.org wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2009 15:42:24 +0200 pancake panc...@youterm.com wrote: I really miss the conceptual experimentation that dwm was in the past. But I agree that we should