Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-24 Thread David Tweed
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Szabolcs Nagy nszabo...@gmail.com wrote: In contrast to other protocols, IL avoids blind retransmission. This helps performance in congested networks, where blind retransmission could cause further congestion. Like TCP, IL has adaptive timeouts, so the protocol

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-23 Thread David Tweed
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Anselm R Garbe garb...@gmail.com wrote: The resource access should be done using a stateful protocol rather than HTTP. I'd be very cautious about making things have an inherently stateful protocol rather than making then (a) finegrained (possibly designed to have

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-23 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
On 2/23/09, David Tweed david.tw...@gmail.com wrote: problems if things must be stateful. (Does anyone actually know how something like 9P works on a really, really unreliable network connection?) i'm not a network expert, but the underlying protocol seems simple and well designed In contrast

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-19 Thread markus schnalke
[2009-02-18 22:31] Anselm R Garbe garb...@gmail.com 2009/2/18 Matthias-Christian Ott o...@mirix.org: I think the only way is dropping HTML and CSS altogether and going with something new. It's still good enough ... so it is likely to stay for many more years. :-( meillo signature.asc

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-19 Thread markus schnalke
[2009-02-19 08:51] Szabolcs Nagy nszabo...@gmail.com don't try to fix the browser, you can't it leads to a chaos where each website has different versions for each browser, display media, resolution,.. there is no way to do nice in all browsers page (or pixel correct presentation) I

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-19 Thread Matthias-Christian Ott
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:31:47PM +, Anselm R Garbe wrote: 2009/2/18 Matthias-Christian Ott o...@mirix.org: since several years I have been planed to launch a personal website. I used to do quite aesthetical web design before I have subscribed to minimalism. What annoyed me then and

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-19 Thread Matthias-Christian Ott
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 04:59:06PM -0600, Kurt H Maier wrote: In my estimation, the web is a lost cause. As time goes on, it's more and more a tool that is abused by idiots cramming too much broken functionality in them, and most browsers are just platforms from which to launch bad ideas.

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-19 Thread Matthias-Christian Ott
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:07:16AM +0100, hiro wrote: I think the only way is dropping HTML and CSS altogether and going with something new. I'd be very interested in contributing. I think the replacement should not only focus on presentation but equally on forming a base for less suckish

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-19 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Good day. Anselm R Garbe schrieb: 2009/2/18 Matthias-Christian Ott o...@mirix.org: Any ideas? I think the only way is dropping HTML and CSS altogether and going with something new. I'd be very interested in contributing. I think the replacement should not only focus on presentation but

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-19 Thread Matthias-Christian Ott
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 08:51:52AM +0100, Szabolcs Nagy wrote: On 2/18/09, Matthias-Christian Ott o...@mirix.org wrote: minimalism. What annoyed me then and now was CSS and its implementations in modern browsers. css cannot be implemented (..in a suckless way) there seems to be no

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-19 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2009/2/19 Matthias-Christian Ott o...@mirix.org: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:07:16AM +0100, hiro wrote: I think the only way is dropping HTML and CSS altogether and going with something new. I'd be very interested in contributing. I think the replacement should not only focus on presentation

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-19 Thread Matthias-Christian Ott
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 02:19:24PM +, Anselm R Garbe wrote: 2009/2/19 Matthias-Christian Ott o...@mirix.org: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:07:16AM +0100, hiro wrote: I think the only way is dropping HTML and CSS altogether and going with something new. I'd be very interested in

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-19 Thread Jack Woehr
Matthias-Christian Ott wrote: I would really like to throw away X11. So that you have a universal hardware-implementable rendering language and system (buffer management etc.) and an event layer on top of it. So if you want to browse a hyperlinked document you compile it to the rendering

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-19 Thread Matthias-Christian Ott
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:56:43AM -0700, Jack Woehr wrote: Matthias-Christian Ott wrote: I would really like to throw away X11. So that you have a universal hardware-implementable rendering language and system (buffer management etc.) and an event layer on top of it. So if you want to browse

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-19 Thread Jack Woehr
Matthias-Christian Ott wrote: What I really like about it is that rendered documents (which used to be PostScript or PDF) are now the same as ordinary applications except that applications handle input and may modify their window contents. NeWS sort of worked that way, except its virtual

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-19 Thread Matthias-Christian Ott
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 01:05:36PM -0700, Jack Woehr wrote: Matthias-Christian Ott wrote: What I really like about it is that rendered documents (which used to be PostScript or PDF) are now the same as ordinary applications except that applications handle input and may modify their window

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-18 Thread hiro
Well, you should use flash, it looks the same on all browsers. My favourite HTML tag is pre. You will need great luck. On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Matthias-Christian Ott o...@mirix.org wrote: Hi, since several years I have been planed to launch a personal website. I used to do quite

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-18 Thread nilp
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:10:35PM +0100, Matthias-Christian Ott wrote: Hi, since several years I have been planed to launch a personal website. I used to do quite aesthetical web design before I have subscribed to minimalism. What annoyed me then and now was CSS and its implementations in

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-18 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2009/2/18 Matthias-Christian Ott o...@mirix.org: since several years I have been planed to launch a personal website. I used to do quite aesthetical web design before I have subscribed to minimalism. What annoyed me then and now was CSS and its implementations in modern browsers. When I

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-18 Thread Kurt H Maier
In my estimation, the web is a lost cause. As time goes on, it's more and more a tool that is abused by idiots cramming too much broken functionality in them, and most browsers are just platforms from which to launch bad ideas. The whole thing was never designed for fine-grained control of how a

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-18 Thread hiro
I think the only way is dropping HTML and CSS altogether and going with something new. I'd be very interested in contributing. I think the replacement should not only focus on presentation but equally on forming a base for less suckish applications which are highly network transparent. Kind

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-18 Thread miles
their web design stuff. mgroman --Original Message-- From: Kurt H Maier To: dwm mail list ReplyTo: dwm mail list Subject: Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS Sent: Feb 18, 2009 17:59 In my estimation, the web is a lost cause. As time goes on, it's more and more a tool

Re: [dwm] [OT] Personal Website and CSS

2009-02-18 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
On 2/18/09, Matthias-Christian Ott o...@mirix.org wrote: minimalism. What annoyed me then and now was CSS and its implementations in modern browsers. css cannot be implemented (..in a suckless way) there seems to be no agreed standard for a default CSS stylesheet merely a recommendation from