Re: [DX-CHAT] Montenegro
These coordinates from Tom are OK, but if you need more info, try to get a touch with Ranko (I guess [EMAIL PROTECTED]). 73! Goran, T98G (ex.4N4AE) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Reisert AD1C Cc: Tom Johnson ; Chat Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 04:41 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Montenegro Most of Montenegro is in JN a very small sliver is in KN but no major cities in that area. The capitol is Podgorica and it is 42 deg 25 min N and 19 east 20 min. or JN92. That should get you close enough 73 Ed KE3D- Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:39 am Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Montenegro To: Tom Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org At 06:50 PM 6/28/2006, Tom Johnson wrote: Does anyone have the correct coordinates for Mottenegro? TNX http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegro-- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
Here's the link to the Club Fed report: http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/democrats/backgrounders/clubfedreport.pdf 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers
Whoa! Until some solid information comes forth that the KP1-KP5 project had a connection with the last KP5 trip, let's NOT drag them into this! All we know is that someone, an amateur, complained. We do NOT know who it is. We do NOT know where she or he actually lives. We do NOT know their connection, if any, to the congress-gonif. We do NOT know whether or not they are an active amateur. We do NOT know if they are an active DX'er... or anything else besides the propensity to kvetch. And most importantly, we do NOT know if they have ANYTHING to do with the KP1-5 project. For all we know, if that project ever merits some success, this schmuck will complain about them too! Enough poor souls are going to get dragged through the mud as it is. Let's not add the innocent until and unless we KNOW that innocent they ain't! 73 From: Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Jun 29 08:45:16 CDT 2006 To: Scott Manthe [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers At 09:22 AM 06/29/2006, Scott Manthe wrote: Like it or not, our politics drive our actions. And unfortunately, I didn't bring politics in to this, Rep. Rahall did and whoever complained to him did. A short Google of Nick Rahall reveals he is a Congressman from West Virginia. The Desecho Island ops said that someone from West Virginia complained to their congressman. Does anyone besides me see a connection? Does anyone else think this is one of the real issues here? If there was no jealous, complaining ham, there would be no mention of ham radio in the report. I suppose that someone with a lot of time on their hands could ascertain the ZIP codes contained in the WV 3rd congressional district, do a Buckmaster or similar search and see if any known DXers with ties to the KP1-KP5 project come up Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
Note what state Congressman Nick Rahall (mentioned in the report) is from. This is the same state mentioned by N3KS at Dayton as the state where the original complaint was registered which caused the operation to be terminated. Any detectives out there? 73, Zack W9SZ On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Zack Widup wrote: Here's the link to the Club Fed report: http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/democrats/backgrounders/clubfedreport.pdf 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers
Yes, we know! Ask the NY Times! Bill - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius W3WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Scott Manthe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers Whoa! Until some solid information comes forth that the KP1-KP5 project had a connection with the last KP5 trip, let's NOT drag them into this! All we know is that someone, an amateur, complained. We do NOT know who it is. We do NOT know where she or he actually lives. We do NOT know their connection, if any, to the congress-gonif. We do NOT know whether or not they are an active amateur. We do NOT know if they are an active DX'er... or anything else besides the propensity to kvetch. And most importantly, we do NOT know if they have ANYTHING to do with the KP1-5 project. For all we know, if that project ever merits some success, this schmuck will complain about them too! Enough poor souls are going to get dragged through the mud as it is. Let's not add the innocent until and unless we KNOW that innocent they ain't! 73 From: Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Jun 29 08:45:16 CDT 2006 To: Scott Manthe [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers At 09:22 AM 06/29/2006, Scott Manthe wrote: Like it or not, our politics drive our actions. And unfortunately, I didn't bring politics in to this, Rep. Rahall did and whoever complained to him did. A short Google of Nick Rahall reveals he is a Congressman from West Virginia. The Desecho Island ops said that someone from West Virginia complained to their congressman. Does anyone besides me see a connection? Does anyone else think this is one of the real issues here? If there was no jealous, complaining ham, there would be no mention of ham radio in the report. I suppose that someone with a lot of time on their hands could ascertain the ZIP codes contained in the WV 3rd congressional district, do a Buckmaster or similar search and see if any known DXers with ties to the KP1-KP5 project come up Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
Zack Widup wrote: Note what state Congressman Nick Rahall (mentioned in the report) is from. This is the same state mentioned by N3KS at Dayton as the state where the original complaint was registered which caused the operation to be terminated. Any detectives out there? 73, Zack W9SZ Just curious. Say you find who the culprit is. What did you all plan, hiring a hit man? Maybe just a lynching? Or are you just pounding your chests and trying to make yourselves feel macho? -- _____ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ http://www.blurty.com/users/w2agn CRUSTY OLD CURMUDGEON, AND PROUD OF IT (AGN and AGN? are Trademarks of John L. Sielke and may not be used without permission) Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
If it were found to be that the person did it deliberately (sabotage or jealousy, etc) they should be removed from the DXCC program! Also if I knew the person was living in my area he/she would be shunned from any activities by me or my clubs! I would never work them again and a QSL couldn't be issued to so a low life. The person(s) who did this did more damage to Amateur Radio, DXCC and DXing than someone who operated illegally from a rare one. We don't need that type of person(?) involved in AR or DX. 73 Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of W2AGN Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:58 To: Zack Widup Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess Zack Widup wrote: Note what state Congressman Nick Rahall (mentioned in the report) is from. This is the same state mentioned by N3KS at Dayton as the state where the original complaint was registered which caused the operation to be terminated. Any detectives out there? 73, Zack W9SZ Just curious. Say you find who the culprit is. What did you all plan, hiring a hit man? Maybe just a lynching? Or are you just pounding your chests and trying to make yourselves feel macho? -- _____ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ http://www.blurty.com/users/w2agn CRUSTY OLD CURMUDGEON, AND PROUD OF IT (AGN and AGN? are Trademarks of John L. Sielke and may not be used without permission) Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] operating permission
One other thought- from an FCC standpoint operating permission is not needed, but from the governing entity's position it may be very concerned about what activity it is allowing. For example- an operating permit for a DXpedition I was on stated- "The licensee, including its officials, guests, invitees, employees, contractors and agents, is hereby given the right, in common with others, to enter upon the Site for the purpose of setting up temporary camping facilities associated with the Licensee's amateur "ham" radio operations. The licensee shall not use the site for purposes other than those set out above." So, a license was issued for a particular purpose, and they were quite concerned that only that purpose was pursued by the licensee. So, perhaps the DXpeditioners had permission to be on Desecheo for a particular purpose, but the permitting entity wasn't necessarily issuing permission for any activity the visitors chose to participate in. It is al very complicated, isn't it? 73, Duane, WV2B"Therewardofathingwelldoneistohavedoneit."-RalphWaldoEmerson
[DX-CHAT] FWS motivation
What is the motivation for keeping hams off KP5? From experience getting permission I can tell you- They don't want to get sued! Suppose they give permission, someone goes, and does get hurt. There is a possibilty that they will be sued, claiming they were somehow negligent. I have been told that I had difficulties because I am an American, and all Americans are sue happy. This even though I had been to the island in question 5 times, and never sued. Maybe I am just slow getting around to it, huh? 73, Duane, WV2B"Therewardofathingwelldoneistohavedoneit."-RalphWaldoEmerson
Re: [DX-CHAT] FWS motivation
On Jun 29, 2006, at 4:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the motivation for keeping hams off KP5? From experience getting permission I can tell you- They don't want to get sued! Suppose they give permission, someone goes, and does get hurt. There is a possibilty that they will be sued, claiming they were somehow negligent. I have been told that I had difficulties because I am an American, and all Americans are sue happy. This even though I had been to the island in question 5 times, and never sued. Maybe I am just slow getting around to it, huh? 73, Duane, WV2B Shakespeare had an answer for that: The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers (Henry VI, Part II, Act IV, Scene 2). Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers
Amen, Ron. The unfortunate that did this will likely be the focus of the DX community, at least, and will probably become a pariah worldwide. Not a consequence to be taken lightly or a tag to be assigned without absolute proof. 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius W3WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Scott Manthe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers Whoa! Until some solid information comes forth that the KP1-KP5 project had a connection with the last KP5 trip, let's NOT drag them into this! All we know is that someone, an amateur, complained. We do NOT know who it is. We do NOT know where she or he actually lives. We do NOT know their connection, if any, to the congress-gonif. We do NOT know whether or not they are an active amateur. We do NOT know if they are an active DX'er... or anything else besides the propensity to kvetch. And most importantly, we do NOT know if they have ANYTHING to do with the KP1-5 project. For all we know, if that project ever merits some success, this schmuck will complain about them too! Enough poor souls are going to get dragged through the mud as it is. Let's not add the innocent until and unless we KNOW that innocent they ain't! 73 From: Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Jun 29 08:45:16 CDT 2006 To: Scott Manthe [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers At 09:22 AM 06/29/2006, Scott Manthe wrote: Like it or not, our politics drive our actions. And unfortunately, I didn't bring politics in to this, Rep. Rahall did and whoever complained to him did. A short Google of Nick Rahall reveals he is a Congressman from West Virginia. The Desecho Island ops said that someone from West Virginia complained to their congressman. Does anyone besides me see a connection? Does anyone else think this is one of the real issues here? If there was no jealous, complaining ham, there would be no mention of ham radio in the report. I suppose that someone with a lot of time on their hands could ascertain the ZIP codes contained in the WV 3rd congressional district, do a Buckmaster or similar search and see if any known DXers with ties to the KP1-KP5 project come up Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
I believe he should be banned from DXCC for life for unsportsmanlike conduct. I know some people take DXCC very seriously, but a hit man is a little much :.) He should be treated like the gold old boys in West Virginia treat those who stick their nose in where it doesn't belong ... either shot or pushed down an abandoned mine shaft never to be heard from again. For this fool, whoever he is, to waste as much of out tax dollars as was wasted on the Club Fed report on a private vendetta is obscene. 73, ... Joe, W4TV Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues
On Jun 29, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Zack Widup wrote: What is the FWS trying to do, anyway? Are they trying to deliberately prohibit AMATEUR RADIO operations there specifically? Why aren't they trying to prohibit drug runners from using the island? I'm sure radio amateurs are more conscientious of the environment than the drug runners. Some inquiring minds want to know. Perhaps prevent taxpayer money from funding amateur radio DXpeditions in the future? My read on this may be all wrong, but it sure sounds like Uncle Sam funded a good part of this excursion. Am I wrong? - Jeff, KE9V Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:APtfHIQfJTEJ:lists.contesting.com/piper mail/sedxc/2004-November/001602.html+%22GARRY+RITCHIE%22hl=engl=usct=clnk cd=19ie=UTF-8 Interesting no doubt. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WC7N Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:28 PM To: Joe Subich, W4TV; 'Barry'; 'W2AGN' Cc: 'Zack Widup'; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess Figure by now some one would have figured how many hams were is the district,how many had hf license and how many of those were dx'er Rod WC7N - Original Message - From: Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Barry' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'W2AGN' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Zack Widup' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess I believe he should be banned from DXCC for life for unsportsmanlike conduct. I know some people take DXCC very seriously, but a hit man is a little much :.) He should be treated like the gold old boys in West Virginia treat those who stick their nose in where it doesn't belong ... either shot or pushed down an abandoned mine shaft never to be heard from again. For this fool, whoever he is, to waste as much of out tax dollars as was wasted on the Club Fed report on a private vendetta is obscene. 73, ... Joe, W4TV Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues
I believe a lot of state agencies have taken their lead from U.S. Government agencies like U.S. Fish and Wildlife. Empires have been build in state governments that prohibit taxpayers from fishing,hunting, camping, hiking, etc as they might damage something but mainly it would make these empire builders unemployed. Look at the federal government agency that controls ocean fishing. Now there is a real bureaucracy. Rod WC7N - Original Message - From: Jeffrey Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues On Jun 29, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Zack Widup wrote: What is the FWS trying to do, anyway? Are they trying to deliberately prohibit AMATEUR RADIO operations there specifically? Why aren't they trying to prohibit drug runners from using the island? I'm sure radio amateurs are more conscientious of the environment than the drug runners. Some inquiring minds want to know. Perhaps prevent taxpayer money from funding amateur radio DXpeditions in the future? My read on this may be all wrong, but it sure sounds like Uncle Sam funded a good part of this excursion. Am I wrong? - Jeff, KE9V Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] KP5
I've been reading everyone's thoughts on this subject and the picture is that none of us know the real story regarding the operation. Probably never will. I don't understand the comments "that this has given us a black eye". The way I see it, that two guys asked for permission, it was granted, they got a free ride, someone felt their toe get smashed and terminated it. It didn't cost me a thing! Best regards,Chuck-K7PT
Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues
At 06:56 PM 06/29/2006, Jeffrey Davis wrote: Perhaps prevent taxpayer money from funding amateur radio DXpeditions in the future? My read on this may be all wrong, but it sure sounds like Uncle Sam funded a good part of this excursion. Jeff, KE9V Yes, your read on this is wrong. This was NOT a DXpedition. I was at Kam's presentation in Dayton and talked to him afterwards as well. Essentially, he and Dave were involved with installing certain hardware that helps Uncle Sam keep a leg up on the Bad Guys. They operated in their spare time and were working for the government helping keep us safe or acting in the nation's best interests. I have NO problem with that. More power to 'em, IMHO. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess
FYI, In conversation after the Dayton DX Banquet, Kam stated he did not mean a Ham in WV..To him a Rahall constituant meant any American citizen.. in fact he said the Ham who complained was a W4 Mac, W8XF http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:APtfHIQfJTEJ:lists.contesting.com/piper mail/sedxc/2004-November/001602.html+%22GARRY+RITCHIE%22hl=engl=usct=clnk cd=19ie=UTF-8 Interesting no doubt. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WC7N Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:28 PM To: Joe Subich, W4TV; 'Barry'; 'W2AGN' Cc: 'Zack Widup'; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess Figure by now some one would have figured how many hams were is the district,how many had hf license and how many of those were dx'er Rod WC7N - Original Message - From: Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Barry' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'W2AGN' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Zack Widup' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess I believe he should be banned from DXCC for life for unsportsmanlike conduct. I know some people take DXCC very seriously, but a hit man is a little much :.) He should be treated like the gold old boys in West Virginia treat those who stick their nose in where it doesn't belong ... either shot or pushed down an abandoned mine shaft never to be heard from again. For this fool, whoever he is, to waste as much of out tax dollars as was wasted on the Club Fed report on a private vendetta is obscene. 73, ... Joe, W4TV Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Permission issues
Too much assuming going on on this whole issue I think. To many unknown facts to make fair judgments. Carl K8AV Jeffrey Davis wrote: On Jun 29, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Gary McClellan wrote: Just like the feds are funding ops from the GI's operating from Iraq and Afghanistan? Uncle Sam pisses away millions of more bux than this little op they guys managed to get landing permission for while doing contract work. This is one of the few times I can say my tax dollars did some freakin' good for me for a change. Cripes. Egos be damned. Egos? Iraq and Afghanistan. Huh? I'm just trying to sort this out ... from what I've read, two guys who are government contractors weasel a free trip (on Uncle Sam) to a place where they probably shouldn't be - at least not for ham radio operating, all in the name of government work. About the time their little operation gets rolling, somebody in West Virginia rats them out. Weasel a free trip Am I missing something here? These guys do contract work in the employ of a subcontractor if I understand things correctly. Many DX ops from rare and not so rare do, the fact is they had a valid reasonn to be there and needed NO authorization other than their US amateur licenses to opearate. Boy, waht a luxury trip we taxpayers paid for. Meanwhile, the response of many of the leading DXers in the US seems to be to get even with the guy who ratted the operation out with somewhat less concern for condemning the ill-advised nature of the operation and how this might endanger future DXpeditions. Ill advised? Am I missing something here? The person who made it a federal case (ego) is the one who caused the damage in this case. Have I summed it up correctly or am I missing something? No and Yes. Sorry we diagree Jeff.. 73, Gary K7ZD Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5
Actually the KP1-KP5 guys got the Congress involved last fall in a great attempt to get the FWS to open up KP1 and KP5. In fact, it was Rep. Rahall who was the sponsor of H.R. 1183. Whoever has his ear obviously contributed big time to the Club Fed report. It was very critical of the FWS for failing to be consistent on not permitting ham radio operations for others. The problem is, by criticising the hams that did operate and causing the fuss while they were on the island the hams that are behind Rahall this time gave all ham radio a black eye. It may very well be a different ham who had this temper trantrum and nothing to do with the earlier group. 73 Don N1DG At 08:24 PM 6/29/2006, you wrote: Well Chuck it did give us a BLACK EYE because it got the U.S. Congress evolved. Rod WC7N - N1DG--Licensed since 1962 EX-WB2DND, A61AD (GUEST OP, QSL MGR), A52DG, /KH9, /BV, /VS6, /4X, /9V Pilot: 3Y0X, VK9ML, D68C, VK0IR, K8XP/KH9, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, ZL9CI Webmaster: 3Y0X, K5K, A52A, VK0IR, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, WB2DND/KH9, BQ9P, ZL9CI QSL Manager: A61AD, A61AO, A61X, A61AQ, KH7Z Member: FOC, ARRL, DDXA, YCCC DON GREENBAUM DUXBURY, MA, USA
Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues
--Peter that is WONDERFUL and I assume (ass u me) that you are right... I read all of the published articles and it said nothing about a JOB. WC7N --- Original Message - From: Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeffrey Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues At 06:56 PM 06/29/2006, Jeffrey Davis wrote: Perhaps prevent taxpayer money from funding amateur radio DXpeditions in the future? My read on this may be all wrong, but it sure sounds like Uncle Sam funded a good part of this excursion. Jeff, KE9V Yes, your read on this is wrong. This was NOT a DXpedition. I was at Kam's presentation in Dayton and talked to him afterwards as well. Essentially, he and Dave were involved with installing certain hardware that helps Uncle Sam keep a leg up on the Bad Guys. They operated in their spare time and were working for the government helping keep us safe or acting in the nation's best interests. I have NO problem with that. More power to 'em, IMHO. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues
At 09:28 PM 06/29/2006, WC7N wrote: --Peter that is WONDERFUL and I assume (ass u me) that you are right... I read all of the published articles and it said nothing about a JOB. I don't know any more than what I gleaned from Kam's 20+ minute presentation of from the nice chat I had with him that night in the contesters' suite, but the gist of it was that indeed he's a specialist with certain technology and there are uses for what he does in that region. If I recall the presentation correctly, it was a brutal trip down (the boat was something confiscated by the feds from a smuggler, apparently) and neither of them got any sleep for almost 96 hours; it was humid and hot as hell the whole time and there were giant rats all over the place that make the Clipperton land crabs look cute and cuddly in comparison. Here's hoping Uncle Sam needs some nice spiffy new hardware on Navassa some day Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues
It was mentioned in their original announcement of the trip to KP5. I suspect that the hams involved aren't really able to talk much about that aspect (I could tell you but then I'd have to shoot you), although the New York Times will probably have a full report. 73 - Bob, N7XY On Jun 29, 2006, at 6:28 PM, WC7N wrote: --Peter that is WONDERFUL and I assume (ass u me) that you are right... I read all of the published articles and it said nothing about a JOB. WC7N --- Original Message - From: Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeffrey Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues At 06:56 PM 06/29/2006, Jeffrey Davis wrote: Perhaps prevent taxpayer money from funding amateur radio DXpeditions in the future? My read on this may be all wrong, but it sure sounds like Uncle Sam funded a good part of this excursion. Jeff, KE9V Yes, your read on this is wrong. This was NOT a DXpedition. I was at Kam's presentation in Dayton and talked to him afterwards as well. Essentially, he and Dave were involved with installing certain hardware that helps Uncle Sam keep a leg up on the Bad Guys. They operated in their spare time and were working for the government helping keep us safe or acting in the nation's best interests. I have NO problem with that. More power to 'em, IMHO. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx- chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx- chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers 2
The total report text site has been given on this reflector. We must beware of totally condemning someone who was likely exercising his right as a citizen to petition his government. I wish he had kept quiet, but that action, as unwise as we may think it to be, in no way excuses what may have been a poorly thought out trip to Desecheo. The real test of the value and honor of ham radio is how we react to this situation. So far, blaming the messenger is not so high minded, to say the least. 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues
Well I am really pleased that the ham that attended Dayton, Ohio's ham fest this year have a much better understanding of the Fish and Wild Life service than the rest of the world's hams Goes to figureAt my age go ahead and shoot me but be honest with the real details. I lived and worked in Dayton for 10 years and attended every year and though it was just the world's biggest flea market... Rod WC7N - Original Message - From: Bob Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues It was mentioned in their original announcement of the trip to KP5. I suspect that the hams involved aren't really able to talk much about that aspect (I could tell you but then I'd have to shoot you), although the New York Times will probably have a full report. 73 - Bob, N7XY On Jun 29, 2006, at 6:28 PM, WC7N wrote: --Peter that is WONDERFUL and I assume (ass u me) that you are right... I read all of the published articles and it said nothing about a JOB. WC7N --- Original Message - From: Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeffrey Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues At 06:56 PM 06/29/2006, Jeffrey Davis wrote: Perhaps prevent taxpayer money from funding amateur radio DXpeditions in the future? My read on this may be all wrong, but it sure sounds like Uncle Sam funded a good part of this excursion. Jeff, KE9V Yes, your read on this is wrong. This was NOT a DXpedition. I was at Kam's presentation in Dayton and talked to him afterwards as well. Essentially, he and Dave were involved with installing certain hardware that helps Uncle Sam keep a leg up on the Bad Guys. They operated in their spare time and were working for the government helping keep us safe or acting in the nation's best interests. I have NO problem with that. More power to 'em, IMHO. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx- chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx- chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues
Yes, and I can think of at least 3 or 4 immediately. I used to get the football scores for one of them while he was far away from home. 73, Zack W9SZ On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, N4BAA - Jose Castillo wrote: What's the big deal? I have been sent to Iraq, GodDanmistan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Somalia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Suadi Arabia etcJUST TO NAME A FEW.all on the taxpaxers DOLLARand no one is complaining about me operating on MY off time from some of those places. I would have done the same thing if I thought I could get away with it! DX on... N4BAA - Jose Castillo Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
