Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen

2003-09-02 Thread Dean Norris
At  18:26 8/31/2003, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote:
Well Dean, got to admit, it doesn't look good.

Considering the political situation(s) in that part of the world, I suspect
that it will prove somewhere between very difficult and virtually impossible
for someone to get official permission (ie a license, written permission to
operate,  or something like one or the other committed to paper).   Without
said paperwork, I strongly suspect that it will be equally difficult to get
approval for said operation at the DXCC, though of course I could be wrong!
Verbal permission won't be enough (ala 7O1YGF), and permission will have to
come from the central government, not local authorities (ala 7O1A).   That's
just the way it is.
Now, one may argue, and argue well, that the DXCC rules on this are
exceedingly strict.  Be so as it may, that's the way the rules are.
73, ron wn3vaw

We're not going to fall for a banana in the tail pipe.


Well, I guess that I will start selling off the 'stuff' and get ready to go 
mobile in the motor home.  To be honest, ham radio just doesn't have the 
glitter it did back in the 50's-80's.

I would rather find a nice forest site to park a MH and enjoy nature with 
maybe a few hands of cribbage with the missus.

Dean

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen

2003-09-02 Thread Zack Widup
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Dean Norris wrote:

 
 Well, I guess that I will start selling off the 'stuff' and get ready to go 
 mobile in the motor home.  To be honest, ham radio just doesn't have the 
 glitter it did back in the 50's-80's.
 

Sometimes I've felt that way, too.  Part of the reason I've become so
interested in VHF/UHF/microwaves in the last few years is that there's
still some of that glitter there, for me anyway.  

Also, maybe it's just me but it seems this solar cycle we're just
declining on wasn't much compared with past cycles.  I remember in 1989
working people on 10 meters mobile with 25 watts at 1 AM on a long drive. 
I remember a passenger I had being really impressed when I worked into
Russia with that same mobile setup.  And I remember when 40 meters was
full of signals night after night in the early 90's.  It just hasn't been
the same lately.

Maybe we need to pay a visit to the Palos Verdes Sun Dancers?  ...

73, Zack W9SZ

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[DX-CHAT] Some Thoughts on DX Pile--Up/QSO Coutesy

2003-09-02 Thread Larry, K4WLS
Early this past Mon morn, H44VV (UA4HWX) had a nice simplex
pile-up going on 7.0046 KHz. H44VV was using proper QSO exchange
procedure in that in his ending QSO XMSN, he was giving the call sign
of the station he had just worked and his own call sign.

A big problem, however, was that most stations trying to work H44VV
were not waiting for him end his QSO exchange. Instead, they hammered
their calls while H44VV was still transmitting. Do stations doing this not
realize that if H44VV is still transmitting, he cannot hear their initial
calls ?
Also, do they not realize they are many time preventing the station that
H44VV just worked from confirming his QSO ? Also, do they not realize
that they are blocking the call sign of H44VV, preventing other stations
from getting a proper call sign ID ??

It was very evident that the stations who were prematurely calling H44VV
were running high power and/or high gain antennas. Oh yes, I got through
to H44VV with my 100W and little Inverted Vee, but I had to use a little
trick up my sleeve. I just wonder how many other Little Pistols didn't
make it, however, because of this premature calling.


Why is it common practice these days for stations working DX to never
give the call sign of the DX station they worked ?? Are they trying to
save time giving the opportunity for other stations to work the DX, or
are they purposely omitting the call sign sign of the DX in order to not
help
another station work the DX ?  I do belive that FCC Regs still require
the ID of your station and the ID of the station you are in contact with at
least once during a QSO.

Just some thoughts folks..  73 and DX, LarryK4WLS


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Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen

2003-09-02 Thread Gary Stone
Hi,

Well, for what it is worth here is my thoughts. I am sitting at 325 and of the 10 I have left, several (3 or 4) have "no likely chance" of operations. Why keep them on the list? If a country does not allow activity from an entity I would like to see them go off the 'active' list. However, I do remember a brief operation from Yemen just last year - and I missed that one too.

This could be handled by starting an 'inactive' list and then using the active list to determine honor roll, etc. I am not just complaining but really wonder why an entity would be keeping someone from 'top of the honor roll' when there is no possibility of operations from there. If a legit operation started the entity could be moved back to the active list. Just an idea - probably full of holes but just an idea.

It would require some bugs to work out but I think it could happen. As for me, I have hopes that the 3C0 dx-pedition will put me on honor roll and 'top of the honor roll' is a long way off :-).

73 de N5PHT, Gary
Steve-KF2TI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2 chances of a legit operationslim (actually high probablibility of this)andnoneOn 1 Sep 2003 at 12:14, Dean Norris wrote:Date sent: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 12:14:15 -0700To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>From: Dean Norris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: [DX-CHAT] Yemen What would you assembled masses consider the probability (educated guessSWAG??) that Yemen, 7O, will be on the air in the next year.  I am rapidly approaching retirement and me  the missus are looking at buying a motor home and traveling until we decide not to travel any more.  Doing so will likely result in selling the home and getting rid of the tower/beam, a few hundred pounds of 'stuff' and maybe the IC756ProII OR the 706 MkII.  Anyway, since the last country I need to make Top
 'o d' Roll is the elusive 7), I wonder if I should start selling off now or wait a while for a possible opportunity.  Ideas?  BTW, I have learned one or two things recently...  1) Kids don't think it is funny at all when you tell them that you plan to travel until you are unable to continue and then you will pull up in front of their house and say, "Here I am!"  2) Be kind to your kids because they determine which nursing home you will die in!   Dean   Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems  http://njdxa.org/dx-chat  To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA  http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen

2003-09-02 Thread Zack Widup
This has been proposed to ARRL by me and several others and was turned
down.  Maybe next century ...  :-)

73, Zack W9SZ


On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Gary Stone wrote:

 Hi,
  
 Well, for what it is worth here is my thoughts.  I am sitting at 325 and of the 10 I 
 have left, several (3 or 4) have no likely chance of operations.  Why keep them on 
 the list? If a country does not allow activity from an entity I would like to see 
 them go off the 'active' list.  However, I do remember a brief operation from Yemen 
 just last year - and I missed that one too.
  
 This could be handled by starting an 'inactive' list and then using the active list 
 to determine honor roll, etc.  I am not just complaining but really wonder why an 
 entity would be keeping someone from 'top of the honor roll' when there is no 
 possibility of operations from there.  If a legit operation started the entity could 
 be moved back to the active list.  Just an idea - probably full of holes but just an 
 idea.
  
 It would require some bugs to work out but I think it could happen.  As for me, I 
 have hopes that the 3C0 dx-pedition will put me on honor roll and 'top of the honor 
 roll' is a long way off :-).
  
 73 de N5PHT, Gary
 

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen

2003-09-02 Thread Tony Martin W4FOA



Very well stated Scott!

Let's make this Honor Roll thing easy enough so we 
can all make it without much effortheck maybe we could even make it 
automatic for those who have been active DX'ers for at least 10 years. 
Then after 20, one would automatically be added to the "Top of the List". 


H, this sounds a bit like incentive licensing, 
doesn't it?

I would suggest that while one waits for those 
"never to be activated" countries, try multi-band DXCC 160 thru 6 meters. 
Let's not make it so easy that it becomes almost automatic. Like my 
granpappy used to say, "anything worth having, is worth working 
for".

My 2 cents worth!

See you in the pileups.

Tony, W4FOA



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Scott Manthe 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:58 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen
  
  While I do think there are some absurd entities 
  on the list, I think that people tend to forget that getting on to the honor 
  roll is supposed to be DIFFICULT and it's supposed to take time AND effort. 
  After all, it is called the "Honor Roll" for a reason.
  
  It seems that some ops want to remove countries 
  from the list because they haven't been active for afew years, or 
  thatit seems that it might take 5 or 10 years for the next legtitimate 
  operation. I can understand the desire towant to get to the top of the 
  honor roll, especially if you're only a few away,but removing entities 
  isn't the way to do it. DXing is often a long term propostition and we have it 
  much better these days than before therewas an internet cluster or DX 
  internet mailing lists.Those twotools alonemake 
  DXingso mucheasier- we learn almost immediately when the 
  operations will take place and when they do take place, when they're on and 
  where they're at on the bands.Unfortunately, there is nothing to make 
  waiting easier, which is why patience is a virtue. ;)
  
  Geo-political situations change constantly. What 
  seems like a hopeless situation one day can change overnight. Remember 
  Albania? I missed N. Korea because I couldn't hear him, but it was amazing 
  that there was such a long term operation from there in the first place. There 
  is hope for almost any entity, but it just takes time. If it exists, there 
  will eventually be an operation from there.
  
  73,
  Scott, 
N9AI


Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen - and the Implications

2003-09-02 Thread Larry, K4WLS

John, NT5C wrote:

H. I guess I'm the one of the few optimists left in this hobby.

Amateur radio does indeed face a big problem: BPL. However, in other
respects it's doing just fine. More talented and interesting people
are coming in since we lowered the CW barricades, and CW itself seems
to be doing very well now that it's an art to be enjoyed not a hurdle
to be surmounted (witness the all-CW DXpeditions at V63SXW, V63TXF
and VK9XAB). Also, I'm told that numbers in the CW contests are
holding steady from the USA and going up from Europe.

And if you're bored because you've worked everything on the high
bands, start again on 40/80/160M - or if that's too easy, on 40M SSB,
or SSTV, or PSK31. Conditions on 40 are really warming up, and I
anticipate a great fall. Heck, there's even a REAL Democrat to
support in the presidential race! What's all this pessimism?


-
No pessimism here, I am an experienced optomist  :-)  :-)

And gutters I have the long stretches of aluminum gutters
on the front and the rear of house connected by wires. I feed the
center of one wire with 300 Ohm ladder line. Makes a great 40
or 80M antenna with high angle of radiation to get that cross section
of America.  :-)  :-)

Larry,  K4WLS



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Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen

2003-09-02 Thread Fred Souto Maior



DXCC is a challenge and wasn't created to be easy 
toarrive at the top. I and 
many others, had to wait a long time to 
work ZA and XZ (XY). I had to waitmore 
then 20 years and other guys that started 
earlier already had ZA and XY credited
easily. But I never asked to change the 
rules to make it. Some entitieseasy to
work on the past are difficoult actually and vice-versa. 
That's the name of the
game ! And never forgett "This 
is a hobby" Best regards to all of you from Brazil.

Fred - PY7ZZ


  -Mensagem Original- 
  De: Tony Martin W4FOA 
  
  Para: Scott Manthe ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Enviada em: Terça-feira, 2 de Setembro de 
  2003 17:48
  Assunto: Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen
  
  Very well stated Scott!
  
  Let's make this Honor Roll thing easy enough so 
  we can all make it without much effortheck maybe we could even make it 
  automatic for those who have been active DX'ers for at least 10 years. 
  Then after 20, one would automatically be added to the "Top of the 
  List". 
  
  H, this sounds a bit like incentive 
  licensing, doesn't it?
  
  I would suggest that while one waits for those 
  "never to be activated" countries, try multi-band DXCC 160 thru 6 
  meters. Let's not make it so easy that it becomes almost 
  automatic. Like my granpappy used to say, "anything worth having, is 
  worth working for".
  
  My 2 cents worth!
  
  See you in the pileups.
  
  Tony, W4FOA
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Scott Manthe 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:58 
PM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen

While I do think there are some absurd entities 
on the list, I think that people tend to forget that getting on to the honor 
roll is supposed to be DIFFICULT and it's supposed to take time AND effort. 
After all, it is called the "Honor Roll" for a reason.

It seems that some ops want to remove countries 
from the list because they haven't been active for afew years, or 
thatit seems that it might take 5 or 10 years for the next legtitimate 
operation. I can understand the desire towant to get to the top of the 
honor roll, especially if you're only a few away,but removing entities 
isn't the way to do it. DXing is often a long term propostition and we have 
it much better these days than before therewas an internet cluster or 
DX internet mailing lists.Those twotools alonemake 
DXingso mucheasier- we learn almost immediately when the 
operations will take place and when they do take place, when they're on and 
where they're at on the bands.Unfortunately, there is nothing to make 
waiting easier, which is why patience is a virtue. ;)

Geo-political situations change constantly. 
What seems like a hopeless situation one day can change overnight. Remember 
Albania? I missed N. Korea because I couldn't hear him, but it was amazing 
that there was such a long term operation from there in the first place. 
There is hope for almost any entity, but it just takes time. If it exists, 
there will eventually be an operation from there.

73,
Scott, 
N9AI


Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen

2003-09-02 Thread Garth
Remember, Yemen was on the air with a legitimate, DXCC approved operation in
May of last year.
Just 16 months ago.

Garth, KW4MM



- Original Message -
From: Dean Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 2:14 PM
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Yemen


 What would you assembled masses consider the probability (educated
 guessSWAG??) that Yemen, 7O, will be on the air in the next year.  I
am
 rapidly approaching retirement and me  the missus are looking at buying a
 motor home and traveling until we decide not to travel any more.

 Doing so will likely result in selling the home and getting rid of the
 tower/beam, a few hundred pounds of 'stuff' and maybe the IC756ProII OR
the
 706 MkII.

 Anyway, since the last country I need to make Top 'o d' Roll is the
elusive
 7), I wonder if I should start selling off now or wait a while for a
 possible opportunity.

 Ideas?

 BTW, I have learned one or two things recently...

 1)  Kids don't think it is funny at all when you tell them that you plan
to
 travel until you are unable to continue and then you will pull up in front
 of their house and say, Here I am!

 2)  Be kind to your kids because they determine which nursing home you
will
 die in!


 Dean


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Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen

2003-09-02 Thread Dean Norris
I love the turn my original post has taken.

I am not complaining that I have been chasing DX for 47 years and have yet 
to get to the top.  I am just wondering if I should retire from work and 
travel; taking the chance of missing my last needed country.  OR, should I 
stay the course for the next few years with a fairly competitive station 
and hope.

I am almost sorry that I opted to return to school for my law degree at age 
50+ when the GOOD operation was on in ~1990.  I didn't even know it was on 
and even had a station set up at the time (FT757/SB220/Hytower).

I sincerely believe the DXCC should require a massive operational effort to 
achieve!

Dean





At  16:33 9/2/2003, Garth wrote:
Remember, Yemen was on the air with a legitimate, DXCC approved operation in
May of last year.
Just 16 months ago.
Garth, KW4MM



- Original Message -
From: Dean Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 2:14 PM
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Yemen
 What would you assembled masses consider the probability (educated
 guessSWAG??) that Yemen, 7O, will be on the air in the next year.  I
am
 rapidly approaching retirement and me  the missus are looking at buying a
 motor home and traveling until we decide not to travel any more.

 Doing so will likely result in selling the home and getting rid of the
 tower/beam, a few hundred pounds of 'stuff' and maybe the IC756ProII OR
the
 706 MkII.

 Anyway, since the last country I need to make Top 'o d' Roll is the
elusive
 7), I wonder if I should start selling off now or wait a while for a
 possible opportunity.

 Ideas?

 BTW, I have learned one or two things recently...

 1)  Kids don't think it is funny at all when you tell them that you plan
to
 travel until you are unable to continue and then you will pull up in front
 of their house and say, Here I am!

 2)  Be kind to your kids because they determine which nursing home you
will
 die in!


 Dean


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Re: [DX-CHAT] Honor Roll, Top of the Honor Roll

2003-09-02 Thread WC7N
Well that may be true but you can't take you transceiver or antenna's with
you either..

As you can guess I submit, grind out the cash and wait.

Rod WC7N

- Original Message - 
From: Larry, K4WLS [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [DX-Chat] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:28 PM
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Honor Roll, Top of the Honor Roll


 Well, I have 327 cfmd on CW with 100W and vertical/wires.
 I have not even sent my cards in to the the ARRL DXCC
 desk. Sure, some might not be good counters due to lack
 of documentation or other reasons, but to me they all good.
 What really that great about being on the Honor Roll and
 the Honor Roll plaque when you pass from this QTH. You
 can't take it with you.

 I know what I have accomplished, and for me that is a great
 reward in itself. I work DX for the sheer fun of it and the
 great feeling of working a new one (like H44VV Mon Morn -
 a new one on 40M CW). Another great pleasure is getting
 those very nice picture QSL cards.

 Now I know everyone has their own goals, and I am certainly
 NOT berating the DXCC program or those who have the
 goal of Honor Roll or Top of Honor Roll. If your goal is
 Top of Honor Roll, hope you are not too dissapointed as
 there are a lot of entities out there that I will probably not
 see activated in my life time, and you may not see activated
 in your life time. So, work the DX for the fun of it and let
 the pudding come as it may   :-)

 As Tony, W4FOA said, this is my $ 0.03 worth  :-)  :-)

 73 and Good DX All,  Larry   K4WLS

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen

2003-09-02 Thread Bill Hawkins



Well. I'm setting here at 333 and I have "no likely chance" of 
getting the last 2 before I croak.
But then, I remember when it was "no likely chance" that I 
would get Albania or North Korea.
Heck, I remember when it was doubtful that we would have a 
shot at China. In the meantime there are still some countries I don't have on the WARC bands and most of them are pretty 
easy. That and 
PSK 31 provide some interesting stuff whilleI am waiting. I 
just hope its not too long. I quit buying green bananas.
Bill W5EC


Well, for what it is worth here is my thoughts. I am sitting at 
325 and of the 10 I have left, several (3 or 4) have "no likely chance" of 
operations. Why keep them on the 


Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen

2003-09-02 Thread Dean Norris
Me too, Bill.  I am resting comfortably at 334 and long for Yemen.  BUT, 
you know what?  If I don't get 7O, not one person in the whole world will 
care ('sides me).

The following sums up what is really important in life-

Golf balls, Pebbles  Sand
 A professor stood before his Philosophy 101 class and
 had some items in front of him. When the class began,
 wordlessly he picked up a very large and empty
 mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls.

 He then asked the students if the jar was full. They
 agreed that it was.
 The professor then picked up a jar of pebbles and
 poured them into the jar.

 He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles, of course,
 rolled into the open spaces between the golf balls. He
 then asked the students again if the
 jar was full. They agreed it was.

 The professor picked up a box of sand and poured it
 into the jar and of course the sand filled up
 everything else. He asked once more if the
 jar was full. The students responded with an unanimous yes.

 The professor then produced two cans of beer from
 under the table and proceeded to pour the entire
 contents into the jar, effectively filling
 the empty space between the grains of sand. The
 students laughed.

  Now, said the professor, as the laughter subsided,
 I want you to recognize that this jar represents your
 life. The golf balls are the
 important things -- your family, your partner, your
 health, your  children, your faith, your friends, your
 favorite passions -- things that if everything else
 was lost and only they remained, your life would still
 be full.

  The pebbles are the other things that matter, like
 your job, your house, your car. The sand is everything else -- the small
stuff.

  If you put the sand into the jar first, he
 continued, there is no room for the pebbles or the
 golf balls. The same goes for your life. If you
 spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you
 will never have room for the things that are important
 to you. Pay attention to the things that are critical
 to your happiness. Play with your children. Take time
 to get medical checkups. Take your partner out dancing. Play another 18.

 There will always be time to go to work, clean the
  house, give a dinner party and fix the disposal. Take
  care of the golf balls first -- the
  things that really matter. Set your priorities. The
  rest is just sand. One of the students raised her
  hand and inquired what the beer represented.

  The professor smiled. I'm glad you asked. It just
  goes to show you that no matter how full your life may
  seem, there's always room for a couple of  beers.

Dean
_
At  17:09 9/2/2003, Bill Hawkins wrote:
Well. I'm setting here at 333 and I have no likely chance of getting the 
last 2 before I croak.
But then, I remember when it was no likely chance that I would get 
Albania or North Korea.
Heck, I remember when it was doubtful that we would have a shot at China. 
In the meantime there are still some  countries I don't have on the WARC 
bands and most of them are pretty easy. That and
PSK 31 provide some interesting stuff whilleI am waiting. I just hope its 
not too long. I quit buying green bananas.
Bill W5EC

Well, for what it is worth here is my thoughts.  I am sitting at 325 and 
of the 10 I have left, several (3 or 4) have no likely chance of 
operations.  Why keep them on the


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Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen

2003-09-02 Thread Steve Rutledge
I dread the day when I get them all.  Nothing to look forward to.  It
kind of scares me.  Sitting here at 330 waiting for 3Y/B, A5, BS7, FR/J
(de Nova) and VU7A.  If the USG hadn't moved me seven times I would have
had all of them except VU7A and FR/J.  I guess all that inconvenience
was worth something!

Steve, N4JQQ

 Bill Hawkins wrote:
 
 Well. I'm setting here at 333 and I have no likely chance of getting
 the last 2 before I croak.
 But then, I remember when it was no likely chance that I would get
 Albania or North Korea.
 Heck, I remember when it was doubtful that we would have a shot at
 China. In the meantime there are still some  countries I don't have on
 the WARC bands and most of them are pretty easy. That and
 PSK 31 provide some interesting stuff whilleI am waiting. I just hope
 its not too long. I quit buying green bananas.
 Bill W5EC
 
 
 Well, for what it is worth here is my thoughts.  I am sitting at 325
 and of the 10 I have left, several (3 or 4) have no likely chance
 of operations.  Why keep them on the

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[DX-CHAT] Yemen and other delights

2003-09-02 Thread Mike(W5UC) Kathy(K5MWH) Watson

Gentlemen, please allow me to repeat something I said when this came up
the last time:

I also have been reading most of this thread with limited
interest, and Tony said it all. Yes, working them all is probably a
little more important to me than Tony. I need BS7, VU4, E3, and ZL9. At
almost 65, I Might have a shot at the last 2. However, if I don't work
them all, so be it. I had my chances at the last two in 1999 and wasn't
paying attention, and in my lifetime I have had a shot at all four. Shame
on me, not the system. 

Quit whining and leave the system alone. It has it's problems, but don't
we all? It has served us well since I started chasing DX in 1958.
Drop your drawers, get your shorts out of a wad, and wait like the rest
of us.

73,
Mike, W5UC




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RE: [DX-CHAT] Hanover BPL

2003-09-02 Thread W. David Paperman
NOW is the time to bring in all those California Mobile KW's we used to 
joke about.

How about someone sponsoring a Worked All Hanover award? Great timing!

I wonder if the Township would be happy with the service BPL offered?

Dave, W5WP
W. David Paperman, C.E.
Wireless Telecommunications;EMI
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen

2003-09-02 Thread Ken S SCHEPER
I would suggest you keep your rig, and amplifier (that goes on 110AC) and
at least a 2 ele. beam (armstrong aimed)...you got a chance...CW is your
best bet.

GOOD LUCK !!!
73
Ken 
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen

2003-09-02 Thread Ken S SCHEPER
Just remember...timing is EVERYTHING

73
Ken
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Yemen

2003-09-02 Thread Ken S SCHEPER
I need BS7...that's it...let it resurface...!

It's still a fun hobby, despite the politics.

73
Ken
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