[DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Well, it seems the order from on high for KP5 to QRT has been dismissed as one of those things. Those who worked them will get the card - myself included. But my inquiring mind still wants to know who took it upon them self to decide that KP5 should be cut short. Rich, N8UX. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
I have to wonder about that. Now keep in mind that following is simply the half-baked the musings of an idle imagination... so please don't start rumors that this IS what happened... But suppose that some amateur had a legit concern that the recent KP5 operation was, indeed, authorized and legitimate. Suppose further that a phone call was made to the appropriate elected thief, err, congressional representative to simply inquire. Not complain, just inquire. Now, the call would no doubt have been taken by one of the staff members, who routinely followed up with an inquiry to the US Fish Take-A-Hike, er, Wildlife people. Who may or may not have known of the operation. Or who may have over-reacted to the inquiry. Or who may have bristled at the circumstances of the operation being approved, going around their bureaucratic roadblocks. Or whatever. In any event, someone as FW used the preceeding inquiry as an excuse to shut down the operation. Now... if the circumstances were something like this, and YOU were the innocent amateur who accidently inaugurated the process which ended in the shut-down... would YOU come forward? And if you did, do you think anyone would believe you? I think we may never know who started the ball rolling... and again, the above is just idle musing, for all we know it WAS a complaint from someone with a bruised ego... so perhaps it's time to return the tar to Home Depot and the feathers to Bed Bath Beyond and let it go. And try to ensure that there is a next time, and that something like this won't happen the next time. 73, ron wn3vaw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of petethepup Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:16 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Well, it seems the order from on high for KP5 to QRT has been dismissed as one of those things. Those who worked them will get the card - myself included. But my inquiring mind still wants to know who took it upon them self to decide that KP5 should be cut short. Rich, N8UX. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA - Original Message - From: petethepup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Well, it seems the order from on high for KP5 to QRT has been dismissed as one of those things. Those who worked them will get the card - myself included. But my inquiring mind still wants to know who took it upon them self to decide that KP5 should be cut short. Rich, N8UX. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: The Daily DX has had an exclusive on this story since it was published a couple of weeks ago. I assume that Bernie W3UR or the author will publish the information to the world shortly. In the mean time, speculation is just that. 73 - Jim AD1C (a Daily DX subscriber) -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Rest of us who did not worked this KP5 Dxpedition would rather hear about KP1-KP5 Team plans for a proper activity from either of islands. 73's Boris T93Y -- Boris Knezovic T93Y, P.O. Box 59, Sarajevo BA-71000, Bosnia and Herzegovina E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB Page: http://www.t93y.com -- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where we started... The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:57 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that allegedly was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so it's a closed story. DONE. No one likes what happened , just have to put it in the past. 73 Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:21 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where we started... The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:57 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that allegedly was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Another question: how does a random licensed amateur cause the operation to be prematurely terminated? A Freedom of Information Act query into the agency that implemented the termination might yield a clue or two. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:21 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where we started... The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:57 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that allegedly was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
I agree. Not to punish the schmuck per se, but to make sure that this type of stunt doesn't happen again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary McClellan Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:03 PM Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Peter, sorry - NO we don't. I want to know WHY what was done WAS done. Open story. 73, Gary K7ZD Peter Penta wrote: Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so it's a closed story. DONE. No one likes what happened , just have to put it in the past. 73 Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:21 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where we started... The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:57 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that allegedly was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Understanding what happened so we can minimize the probability that it will happen again seems like a reasonable course of action. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Penta Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:17 PM To: 'Ron Notarius WN3VAW'; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so it's a closed story. DONE. No one likes what happened , just have to put it in the past. 73 Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:21 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where we started... The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:57 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that allegedly was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Peteperhaps you know something? NF4A -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary McClellan Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:03 PM Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Peter, sorry - NO we don't. I want to know WHY what was done WAS done. Open story. 73, Gary K7ZD Peter Penta wrote: Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so it's a closed story. DONE. No one likes what happened , just have to put it in the past. 73 Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:21 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where we started... The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:57 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that allegedly was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
The schmuck should be punished. It seems pretty obvious to me that it was someone else who was wanting to go, but didn't have the right connections to get approval. Then, in a selfish, sour grapes move, he saw to it that if he couldn't go, nobody would. The FOIA is a good idea and if/when the person is outed, he should be disqualified from DXCC for good. 73, Barry W2UP Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: I agree. Not to punish the schmuck per se, but to make sure that this type of stunt doesn't happen again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gary McClellan Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:03 PM Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Peter, sorry - NO we don't. I want to know WHY what was done WAS done. Open story. 73, Gary K7ZD Peter Penta wrote: Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so it's a closed story. DONE. No one likes what happened , just have to put it in the past. 73 Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:21 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where we started... The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:57 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not "some bureaocrat/political appointee," but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that "allegedly" was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA
[DX-CHAT] KP5 other DXpeditions
It is sad that a simple but clear statement of the recent KP5 operation can not just be published, apparently. Full disclosure will make everyone sit easier. However, after being somewhat involved in operations in XW, VU4, 9N, A5, and so on, I also know that sometimes nothing can be said without making matters bad. In some places, as many of you know, there is really not one authority to grant ham licenses and sometimes not any authority and sometimes competing authorities. ARRL DX desk --by human limitations-- just can not know exactly the situation in some countries, too. I have it on good authority, for example, that dear Father Moran 9N1MM, never did hold an actual ham license there, yet his contacts count for DXCC. I guess in the end, we just have to be patient and compassionate for dificult situations. After all, if all DXing were easy, would we still chase it so ardently? 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
I'll bet there are at least 50 different theories about the guy that caused the problem.Here is mine. The guy needs KP5 for aall time new one, he is convinced that FWL has not given permission and the contacts will not count for DXCC. He is sure that these guys have ruined his chance for a good contact for many years to come. So with his DO GOOD attitude he picks up the phone. He is saying to himself that he is helping the worthy. BTW, I don't need it. Dave - K4SSU - Original Message - From: Barry To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? The schmuck should be punished. It seems pretty obvious to me that it was someone else who was wanting to go, but didn't have the right connections to get approval. Then, in a selfish, sour grapes move, he saw to it that if he couldn't go, nobody would.The FOIA is a good idea and if/when the person is outed, he should be disqualified from DXCC for good.73,Barry W2UPRon Notarius WN3VAW wrote: I agree. Not to punish the schmuck per se, but to make sure that this type of stunt doesn't happen again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gary McClellan Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:03 PM Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Peter, sorry - NO we don't. I want to know WHY what was done WAS done. Open story. 73, Gary K7ZD Peter Penta wrote: Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so it's a closed story. DONE. No one likes what happened , just have to put it in the past. 73 Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:21 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where we started... The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:57 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not "some bureaocrat/political appointee," but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that "allegedly" was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
I'm betting he needs something besides KP5 for the top of the honor roll and called his congressman to make sure no one passes him on the honor roll. That or he had an expedition planned and he doesn't want anyone stealing his thunder. Some hams are shallow and pathetic, so neither of these scenarios would surprise me. 73, Scott, N9AA David Johnson wrote: I'll bet there are at least 50 different theories about the guy that caused the problem. Here is mine. The guy needs KP5 for a all time new one, he is convinced that FWL has not given permission and the contacts will not count for DXCC. He is sure that these guys have ruined his chance for a good contact for many years to come. So with his DO GOOD attitude he picks up the phone. He is saying to himself that he is helping the worthy. BTW, I don't need it. Dave - K4SSU Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Fellow DXers: Having been a newspaper reporter covering law enforcement for 20+ years I can tell you whoever this is will spill the beans so to speak eventually. People just like to brag. I've written about 100's of cases where it wasn't necessarily good police work that solved it (although once the information was out officers ran with the information to develop the necessary information for filing charges, but it was actually the suspect opening his mouth to his wife (who he may have gotten mad later), a jilted girlfriend, or just bragging that lead to the break in the case.. Heck back in the late 1960s I covered a double homicide/robbery where two men were fatally shot in the head during the robbery of a mom and pop grocery. Well the police gave me a description of the wrong caliber weapon used, and a few days later the suspect shot another man during a poolroom argument in the same way as the two robbery victims (between the eyes), then waited for the sheriff to arrest him because he thought he could get off on self defense since the other man was armed with a pool cue.. He turned in the gun that police matched to the earlier robbery. While in jail he started blabbing to everyone locked up in the small county jail that he was the big man in the double homicide/robbery. So officers did a ballistics test and 'viola the bullet striations on fragments from the robbery and the poolroom killing matched. He ended up getting the death penalty in 1970, but it was changed the life imprisonment when the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the death penalty about 1972 or so. Tom, WW5L Scott Manthe wrote: Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that allegedly was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
What nasty rhetoric? There is quite a bit of innuendo going back and forth, but no nasty rhetoric. I suppose if I had called my Congressman asking to shut down the operation, I might be sweating a little, but I don't think anyone considers anything that's been said here nasty rhetoric. Why is the entire DX Community entitled to see approval documents? The only people who need to see any documentation are the folks at the DXCC desk. What the entire DX community should be entitled to see is who wanted the operation shut down. 73, Scott, N9AA N7MAL wrote: Forgive me for asking a stupid question and throwing water on everyone's parade but has anyone published a copy of the documents, signed by FW, authorizing the KP5 operation...???... We all, hopefully, know KP5 is off-limits and it requires very specific approval from FW. I think by now the entire DX Community is entitled to see proof the KP5 operation is/was legal and had the permission, if not the blessing, from FW. There is a lot of nasty rhetoric going on here and it would be nice to see proof the operation was legal. 73 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
The issue at hand is not the documentation, but who was responsible for the shut down... and why. As far as the proper paperwork etc., all was explained in the release via the Daily DX several weeks ago. Yes, I know this hasn't been publicly dissemenated yet, but I'm sure all will be out soon. (I'd presume that at some point, this will show up in Bernie's QST column?). I've read the release, and after having done so, I have no doubts about the legality of the operation. If anything, there are some implications as to some (though I'm sure not all) of the real reasons that FWS have been keeping civilians officially off of KP1 KP5. And... at least on this reflector, there's been no nasty rhetoric about the documentation. Not in the recent threads, at least. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of N7MALSent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:48 PMTo: DX ChatSubject: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents Forgive me for asking a stupid question and throwing water on everyone's parade but has anyone published a copy of the documents, signed by FW, authorizing the KP5 operation...???... We all, hopefully, know KP5 is off-limits and it requires very specific approval from FW. I think by now the entire DX Community is entitled to see proof the KP5 operation is/was legal and had the permission, if not the blessing, from FW. There is a lot of nasty rhetoric going on here and it would be nice to see proof the operation was legal. 73 MAL N7MALBULLHEAD CITY, AZhttp://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htmhttp://geocities.com/n7mal/Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.It's already tomorrow in Australia
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Peter Penta wrote: Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so it's a closed story. DONE. No one likes what happened , just have to put it in the past. 73 Pete You could say that about the JFK assassination, too. However, there are some of us who still want to know what really happened that afternoon in Dallas. I would like to at least know the details of the KP5 operation termination. I am not vengeful, but I am curious. 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Dave AA6YQ wrote: Another question: how does a random licensed amateur cause the operation to be prematurely terminated? A Freedom of Information Act query into the agency that implemented the termination might yield a clue or two. 73, Dave, AA6YQ I don't think it was a random radio amateur. I'm guessing it was a person in one of two categories - (1) Someone who on his own has been trying to get to Desecheo and was turned down, and held a grudge when someone else got to go there and operate; or (2) a radio amateur who is also a fanatic on protecting wildlife who couldn't stand to see someone get permission from the FWS. I operated the June VHF QSO Party last year from Bald Knob, Illinois. It is the highest point in southern Illinois. The hill is owned by a religious organization and has a gigantic 110-foot cross on the top. The group that owns the hill has always had a rapport with radio amateurs. In fact, they fed us dinner Saturday night! But I was told by someone who has operated from there in the past that there was some HAM sentiment against their using this religious site for ham radio purposes. This seems rather kooky to me, since the religious group themselves and the local people were more than happy to have us up there. Just shows to go you ... 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, N7MAL wrote: Forgive me for asking a stupid question and throwing water on everyone's parade but has anyone published a copy of the documents, signed by FW, authorizing the KP5 operation...???... I have never seen ANY documents published showing that any given DXpedition was legal. I am assuming the proper documents were submitted to ARRL. Unlike some people, I do have some trust in the ARRL and believe they had a valid reason to OK the operation. ARRL is not going to publish the documents. 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
