Re: [DX-CHAT] Montenegro

2006-06-29 Thread Goran Arezina
These coordinates from Tom are OK, but if you need more info, try to get a touch with Ranko (I guess [EMAIL PROTECTED]). 73! Goran, T98G (ex.4N4AE) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Reisert AD1C Cc: Tom Johnson ; Chat Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006

Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess

2006-06-29 Thread Zack Widup
Here's the link to the Club Fed report: http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/democrats/backgrounders/clubfedreport.pdf 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT

Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers

2006-06-29 Thread Ron Notarius W3WN
Whoa! Until some solid information comes forth that the KP1-KP5 project had a connection with the last KP5 trip, let's NOT drag them into this! All we know is that someone, an amateur, complained. We do NOT know who it is. We do NOT know where she or he actually lives. We do NOT know their

Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess

2006-06-29 Thread Zack Widup
Note what state Congressman Nick Rahall (mentioned in the report) is from. This is the same state mentioned by N3KS at Dayton as the state where the original complaint was registered which caused the operation to be terminated. Any detectives out there? 73, Zack W9SZ On Thu, 29 Jun 2006,

Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers

2006-06-29 Thread Bill
Yes, we know! Ask the NY Times! Bill - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius W3WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Scott Manthe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess

2006-06-29 Thread W2AGN
Zack Widup wrote: Note what state Congressman Nick Rahall (mentioned in the report) is from. This is the same state mentioned by N3KS at Dayton as the state where the original complaint was registered which caused the operation to be terminated. Any detectives out there? 73, Zack W9SZ

RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess

2006-06-29 Thread Bernie McClenny, W3UR
If it were found to be that the person did it deliberately (sabotage or jealousy, etc) they should be removed from the DXCC program! Also if I knew the person was living in my area he/she would be shunned from any activities by me or my clubs! I would never work them again and a QSL couldn't be

[DX-CHAT] contract work

2006-06-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jack- Perhaps the question is- Were they being sent to Desecheo for contract work, and threw together a Dxpedition, or did they totally use their contacts to go there for the DXpedition under another guise? Who cares either way, if they had permission to land and occupy from an entity authorized

[DX-CHAT] operating permission

2006-06-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
One other thought- from an FCC standpoint operating permission is not needed, but from the governing entity's position it may be very concerned about what activity it is allowing. For example- an operating permit for a DXpedition I was on stated- "The licensee, including its officials, guests,

[DX-CHAT] FWS motivation

2006-06-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is the motivation for keeping hams off KP5? From experience getting permission I can tell you- They don't want to get sued! Suppose they give permission, someone goes, and does get hurt. There is a possibilty that they will be sued, claiming they were somehow negligent. I have been told that

Re: [DX-CHAT] FWS motivation

2006-06-29 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Jun 29, 2006, at 4:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the motivation for keeping hams off KP5? From experience getting permission I can tell you- They don't want to get sued! Suppose they give permission, someone goes, and does get hurt. There is a possibilty that they will be

Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers

2006-06-29 Thread Jerry Keller
Amen, Ron. The unfortunate that did this will likely be the focus of the DX community, at least, and will probably become a pariah worldwide. Not a consequence to be taken lightly or a tag to be assigned without absolute proof. 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius

Re: [DX-CHAT] contract work

2006-06-29 Thread af2c
Above the shrill...At last a voice of reason! 73, Jay/AF2C At 04:38 PM 6/29/2006 +, you wrote: Jack- Perhaps the question is- Were they being sent to Desecheo for contract work, and threw together a Dxpedition, or did they totally use their contacts to go there for the DXpedition under

RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess

2006-06-29 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
I believe he should be banned from DXCC for life for unsportsmanlike conduct. I know some people take DXCC very seriously, but a hit man is a little much :.) He should be treated like the gold old boys in West Virginia treat those who stick their nose in where it doesn't belong ...

Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues

2006-06-29 Thread Jeffrey Davis
On Jun 29, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Zack Widup wrote: What is the FWS trying to do, anyway? Are they trying to deliberately prohibit AMATEUR RADIO operations there specifically? Why aren't they trying to prohibit drug runners from using the island? I'm sure radio amateurs are more conscientious

RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess

2006-06-29 Thread Peter Penta
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:APtfHIQfJTEJ:lists.contesting.com/piper mail/sedxc/2004-November/001602.html+%22GARRY+RITCHIE%22hl=engl=usct=clnk cd=19ie=UTF-8 Interesting no doubt. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues

2006-06-29 Thread Gary McClellan
Jeffrey Davis wrote: Perhaps prevent taxpayer money from funding amateur radio DXpeditions in the future? My read on this may be all wrong, but it sure sounds like Uncle Sam funded a good part of this excursion. Am I wrong? - Jeff, KE9V Just like the feds are funding ops from the GI's

Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues

2006-06-29 Thread WC7N
I believe a lot of state agencies have taken their lead from U.S. Government agencies like U.S. Fish and Wildlife. Empires have been build in state governments that prohibit taxpayers from fishing,hunting, camping, hiking, etc as they might damage something but mainly it would make these

[DX-CHAT] KP5

2006-06-29 Thread Chuck Degard
I've been reading everyone's thoughts on this subject and the picture is that none of us know the real story regarding the operation. Probably never will. I don't understand the comments "that this has given us a black eye". The way I see it, that two guys asked for permission, it was

Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues

2006-06-29 Thread Peter Dougherty
At 06:56 PM 06/29/2006, Jeffrey Davis wrote: Perhaps prevent taxpayer money from funding amateur radio DXpeditions in the future? My read on this may be all wrong, but it sure sounds like Uncle Sam funded a good part of this excursion. Jeff, KE9V Yes, your read on this is wrong. This was NOT

RE: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. mess

2006-06-29 Thread Mac
FYI, In conversation after the Dayton DX Banquet, Kam stated he did not mean a Ham in WV..To him a Rahall constituant meant any American citizen.. in fact he said the Ham who complained was a W4 Mac, W8XF http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:APtfHIQfJTEJ:lists.contesting.com/piper

[DX-CHAT] Permission issues

2006-06-29 Thread Carl
Too much assuming going on on this whole issue I think. To many unknown facts to make fair judgments. Carl K8AV Jeffrey Davis wrote: On Jun 29, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Gary McClellan wrote: Just like the feds are funding ops from the GI's operating from Iraq and Afghanistan? Uncle Sam

Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5

2006-06-29 Thread Don Greenbaum
Actually the KP1-KP5 guys got the Congress involved last fall in a great attempt to get the FWS to open up KP1 and KP5. In fact, it was Rep. Rahall who was the sponsor of H.R. 1183. Whoever has his ear obviously contributed big time to the Club Fed report. It was very critical of the FWS for

Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues

2006-06-29 Thread WC7N
--Peter that is WONDERFUL and I assume (ass u me) that you are right... I read all of the published articles and it said nothing about a JOB. WC7N --- Original Message - From: Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeffrey Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org

Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues

2006-06-29 Thread Peter Dougherty
At 09:28 PM 06/29/2006, WC7N wrote: --Peter that is WONDERFUL and I assume (ass u me) that you are right... I read all of the published articles and it said nothing about a JOB. I don't know any more than what I gleaned from Kam's 20+ minute presentation of from the nice chat I had with him

Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues

2006-06-29 Thread Bob Nielsen
It was mentioned in their original announcement of the trip to KP5. I suspect that the hams involved aren't really able to talk much about that aspect (I could tell you but then I'd have to shoot you), although the New York Times will probably have a full report. 73 - Bob, N7XY On Jun 29,

Re: [DX-CHAT] Desecheo I. answers 2

2006-06-29 Thread Charles Harpole
The total report text site has been given on this reflector. We must beware of totally condemning someone who was likely exercising his right as a citizen to petition his government. I wish he had kept quiet, but that action, as unwise as we may think it to be, in no way excuses what may

Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues

2006-06-29 Thread WC7N
Well I am really pleased that the ham that attended Dayton, Ohio's ham fest this year have a much better understanding of the Fish and Wild Life service than the rest of the world's hams Goes to figureAt my age go ahead and shoot me but be honest with the real details. I lived and

Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues

2006-06-29 Thread Zack Widup
Yes, and I can think of at least 3 or 4 immediately. I used to get the football scores for one of them while he was far away from home. 73, Zack W9SZ On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, N4BAA - Jose Castillo wrote: What's the big deal? I have been sent to Iraq, GodDanmistan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Somalia,