[DX-CHAT] Re: CQ Magazine Editorial
I haven't gotten my CQ for December and lots of the guys don't take it. Would you mind giving us all a summary and your thoughts on both sides of the discussion? That's a tough assignment Bryan. It's a complicated subject, and it took W2VU a full page of fine print to present the arguments. What I'm most worried about is the plan to establish segments for automatically controlled wide-bandwidth (2700Hz) digital stations on all HF bands except 160M and 30M. These robot station segments are typically right at the low (DX) end of the U.S. 'phone bands. Currently data transmission is not permitted there. We have enough trouble trying to find tiny gaps to work 40M SSB DX now, with digital QRM everywhere. ARRL wants to make it even worse, by edict. They are entitled to their view, but their tactics are sneaky. Allegedly IARU Region II has ALREADY adopted the plan, to take effect Jan 1 2008. At this stage it's voluntary for the national governing bodies (e.g.the FCC), but next the pressure will build. BTW, surely anyone who is serious about DXing/contesting MUST subscribe to CQ Magazine ? How can anyone participate without it? 73, John, NT5C. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] QSL info: P38DX
Anyone have a QSL route for P38DX, Cyprus, from the weekend contest. Thanks, Jerry WW0E _ Discount Online Trading - Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iiejgTs2yHjFyBVjtYVfX223QapPBUfrhLHNQ3OrxaEqD5A0k/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] QSL info: P38DX
My mistake - it wa PV8DX. Jerry -- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have a QSL route for P38DX, Cyprus, from the weekend contest. Thanks, Jerry WW0E _ Discount Online Trading - Click Now! Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org _ Click for your daily horoscope, learn about money, love amp; family. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieOgg05d3CK3enFwWcOkxsZRDoI4E1R2V6Ak0KuQuHuTdtQI/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] CQ Magazine Editorial
--- John Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting editorial by Rich W2VU on P8 of December CQ Magazine. Here's a link to the editorial: http://www.cq-amateur-radio.com/Zero_Bias_Dec07.pdf 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C/Ø, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Fwd: CQ Editorial
[EMAIL PROTECTED] **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org---BeginMessage--- David, Thanks for asking. Rich Moseson didn't get the genealogy of the new IARU Region 2 band plan quite right. With respect to automatically controlled data stations the Region 2 plan is modeled on the one adopted by IARU Region 1 in 2005. See http://www.iaru-r1.org/Spectrumbp.htm. Earlier this year the ARRL Board withdrew the regulation by bandwidth petition that had been submitted to the FCC. It will not be resubmitted until some degree of consensus can be achieved within the amateur community. Until then the League's position is that automatically controlled digital stations must operate within the existing FCC rules, particularly 97.221(b) and (c): (b) A station may be automatically controlled while transmitting a RTTY or data emission on the 6 m or shorter wavelength bands, and on the 28.120-28.189 MHz, 24.925-24.930 MHz, 21.090-21.100 MHz, 18.105- 18.110 MHz, 14.0950-14.0995 MHz, 14.1005-14.112 MHz, 10.140-10.150 MHz, 7.100-7.105 MHz, or 3.585-3.600 MHz segments. (c) A station may be automatically controlled while transmitting a RTTY or data emission on any other frequency authorized for such emission types provided that: (1) The station is responding to interrogation by a station under local or remote control; and (2) No transmission from the automatically controlled station occupies a bandwidth of more than 500 Hz. 73, David Sumner, K1ZZ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:42 AM To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ Subject: Re: CQ Editorial Can you tell me what the league's position is regarding giving up dx space for the sake of establishing segments on all HF bands except 160M and 30M for auto-controlled digital stations. 73, David Miller W1GDQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Check out AOL Money Finance's list of the hottest products http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301 and top money wasters http://money.aol.com/top5/general/ways-you-are-wasting-money?NCID=aoltop000302 of 2007. ---End Message---
[DX-CHAT] Handheld SAT Antenna
Anyone know where I can find the plans/specs for a 2 meter/440 handheld beam for using an HT to work SAT and Space station. Tnx 73 Russ W4UBC Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Handheld SAT Antenna
Hi Russ, Have a look at this page. It's the first of 10 pages regarding what your looking for. http://www.google.com/search?hl=enclient=firefox-achannel=srls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialhs=3URsa=Xoi=spellresnum=0ct=resultcd=1q=2+meter-440+mhz+handheld+yagi++beamspell=1 73, Leon, (K2EWB) - Original Message - From: RUSSELL KELLAM JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 4:17 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Handheld SAT Antenna Anyone know where I can find the plans/specs for a 2 meter/440 handheld beam for using an HT to work SAT and Space station. Tnx 73 Russ W4UBC Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Re: CQ Magazine Editorial
Let me put on my Administrator hat gang. All right. I'm this close to ruling this subject out of bounds. John, I am well aware of your opinion of the ARRL on this matter, and on the matter of wide bandwith PMBO and PACTOR III stations from your posts on the Talk Forum on QRZ.COM. These matters are of just enough of interest to most DX'ers that I am not yet going to ask that the discussion be curtailled, but if it continues onto a non-DX tangent, then it will fall outside the purview of the purpose of this reflector. Regardless: A more appropriate forum for these discussions already exist, and I think it would be wiser for those who wish to pursue these subjects do so on the existing discussion threads over on the QRZ.COM forums, rather than start another argument (on items that barely touch on DX matters) here. That is a strong suggestion at this point, gang. And let me be clear: I don't wish to stifle the discussion per se, but this is very probably not the place for it. 73, ron w3wn administrator, dx chat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Warren Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:40 AM To: Bryan Edwards W5KFT Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] Re: CQ Magazine Editorial I haven't gotten my CQ for December and lots of the guys don't take it. Would you mind giving us all a summary and your thoughts on both sides of the discussion? That's a tough assignment Bryan. It's a complicated subject, and it took W2VU a full page of fine print to present the arguments. What I'm most worried about is the plan to establish segments for automatically controlled wide-bandwidth (2700Hz) digital stations on all HF bands except 160M and 30M. These robot station segments are typically right at the low (DX) end of the U.S. 'phone bands. Currently data transmission is not permitted there. We have enough trouble trying to find tiny gaps to work 40M SSB DX now, with digital QRM everywhere. ARRL wants to make it even worse, by edict. They are entitled to their view, but their tactics are sneaky. Allegedly IARU Region II has ALREADY adopted the plan, to take effect Jan 1 2008. At this stage it's voluntary for the national governing bodies (e.g.the FCC), but next the pressure will build. BTW, surely anyone who is serious about DXing/contesting MUST subscribe to CQ Magazine ? How can anyone participate without it? 73, John, NT5C. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Re: CQ Magazine Editorial
And now, taking off the admin hat: John, to answer your excerpted question: Not at their rates, and not for information that is almost always available on the web weeks if not months prior to publication. Besides, when they do have a good article, I can always buy a copy off the newsstand. 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Warren Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:40 AM To: Bryan Edwards W5KFT Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] Re: CQ Magazine Editorial snip BTW, surely anyone who is serious about DXing/contesting MUST subscribe to CQ Magazine ? How can anyone participate without it? 73, John, NT5C. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Re:Digital robots
1. The ARRL didn't push through the no code test license. Has everyone forgotten No Code International? 2. The ARRL didn't initiate incentive licensing. The FCC did. What the ARRL did was take the FCC's rather draconian plans and come up with something more palatable... and they've been falling on their sword for that ever since. 2a. Incentive licensing happened roughly 45 years ago, and almost all of the instigators are retired or have QSY'd to another plane of existance. Can't we give that poor dead horse a break from ~45 years of beatings? 3. The digital robots exist. They're already out there. Their operators are demanding their share of the pie, too. So what are you going to do? Abolish them? Or find a place to put them where they won't bother anyone else or be bothered by anyone else, which is not the situation we have today. Remember... either we work it out ourselves, or the FCC and other governmental agencies will do it for us -- and after seeing the debacle of the 80/75 meter phone band expansion and it's impact on 80 CW 80 Digital operators (including DX'ers), I'm not sure I trust them to have our best interests in mind. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:51 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] Re:Digital robots Remember incentive licensing? Now, a few decades later, and money is tight, a license without code gets through the FCC. Have to keep up the membership, you know. But now they want dx space for digital robots. Am I missing something? David Miller W1GDQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Check out AOL Money Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Handheld SAT Antenna
Check the AMSAT pages. They had the kids build some really neat lightweight Sat yagis at the Symposium last month! 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of RUSSELL KELLAM JR Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 4:18 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] Handheld SAT Antenna Anyone know where I can find the plans/specs for a 2 meter/440 handheld beam for using an HT to work SAT and Space station. Tnx 73 Russ W4UBC Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Re:Digital robots
At 06:15 PM 11/26/2007, you wrote: 1. The ARRL didn't push through the no code test license. Has everyone forgotten No Code International? They defended the code test license with all the enthusiasm of a wet noodle. 3. The digital robots exist. They're already out there. Their operators are demanding their share of the pie, too. So what are you going to do? Gee...a handful of digi robot ops get the full attention of the ARRL, yet CW ops get the short stick. I wonder why that is? John K5MO Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Re:Digital robots
I'm with John on this,,because I like his QSL card. Win, W0LZ - Original Message - From: john [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Re:Digital robots At 06:15 PM 11/26/2007, you wrote: 1. The ARRL didn't push through the no code test license. Has everyone forgotten No Code International? They defended the code test license with all the enthusiasm of a wet noodle. 3. The digital robots exist. They're already out there. Their operators are demanding their share of the pie, too. So what are you going to do? Gee...a handful of digi robot ops get the full attention of the ARRL, yet CW ops get the short stick. I wonder why that is? John K5MO Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.7/1151 - Release Date: 11/25/2007 4:24 PM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] unattended radio
Unattended radio, except for brief experiments, is not ham radio. Ham radio is personal. If one wants a robot, get on the Internet or buy a telephone answering machine (or a blow up love doll). 73Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Re:Digital robots
I've heard worse reasons! g -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Win Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:30 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Re:Digital robots I'm with John on this,,because I like his QSL card. Win, W0LZ - Original Message - From: john [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Re:Digital robots At 06:15 PM 11/26/2007, you wrote: 1. The ARRL didn't push through the no code test license. Has everyone forgotten No Code International? They defended the code test license with all the enthusiasm of a wet noodle. 3. The digital robots exist. They're already out there. Their operators are demanding their share of the pie, too. So what are you going to do? Gee...a handful of digi robot ops get the full attention of the ARRL, yet CW ops get the short stick. I wonder why that is? John K5MO Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.7/1151 - Release Date: 11/25/2007 4:24 PM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
