Re: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country?
There isn't one factual statement in the message below nor has it anything to do with DX, ham radio, electronics, etc. Does anyone filter this crap? Don K1VSK - Original Message - From: Doug ve...@sasktel.net To: jjreis...@gmail.com; 'DX CHAT' dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. In my opinion the United States of America can do essentially nothing to effect climate change/global warming. Haven't you heard ... this supposed global warming caused my man made CO2 emissions is a scam. I repeat ... scam, fraud. Man made emissions effect on climate change is a paltry 0.25%. Besides, India and China are the big polluters. Ignorance can be fixed, but you can't fix stupid. Doug Those Island days are always on my mind, Someday soon I leave it all behind -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: December 7, 2010 6:26 PM To: DX CHAT Subject: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? Editorial (New York Times) The Urgent Islands Published: August 29, 2010 If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? That is a question about which the Republic of the Marshall Islands - a Micronesian nation of 29 low-lying coral atolls - is now seeking expert legal advice. It is also a question the United States Senate might ask itself the next time it refuses to deal with climate change. According to the world's leading scientists, sea-level rise is one of the greatest dangers of global warming, threatening not only islands but coastal cities like New Orleans and even entire countries like Bangladesh. In 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change conservatively predicted a 20-inch sea-level rise by the end of this century if current trends were not reversed. Because of various uncertainties, its calculations excluded the melting of the Greenland and West Antarctica ice sheets. Some academic studies have suggested that rises of four to seven feet are not out of the question. Officials in the Marshall Islands - where a 20-inch rise would drown at least one atoll - are not only thinking about the possibility of having to move entire populations but are entertaining even more existential questions: If its people have to abandon the islands, what citizenship can they claim? Will the country still have a seat at the United Nations? Who owns its fishing rights and offshore mineral resources? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/opinion/30mon4.html -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country?
Please take this discussion elsewhere. Bert N8NN -Original Message- From: Don Berger Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 8:18 AM To: ve...@sasktel.net ; jjreis...@gmail.com ; 'DX CHAT' Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? There isn't one factual statement in the message below nor has it anything to do with DX, ham radio, electronics, etc. Does anyone filter this crap? Don K1VSK - Original Message - From: Doug ve...@sasktel.net To: jjreis...@gmail.com; 'DX CHAT' dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. In my opinion the United States of America can do essentially nothing to effect climate change/global warming. Haven't you heard ... this supposed global warming caused my man made CO2 emissions is a scam. I repeat ... scam, fraud. Man made emissions effect on climate change is a paltry 0.25%. Besides, India and China are the big polluters. Ignorance can be fixed, but you can't fix stupid. Doug Those Island days are always on my mind, Someday soon I leave it all behind -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: December 7, 2010 6:26 PM To: DX CHAT Subject: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? Editorial (New York Times) The Urgent Islands Published: August 29, 2010 If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? That is a question about which the Republic of the Marshall Islands - a Micronesian nation of 29 low-lying coral atolls - is now seeking expert legal advice. It is also a question the United States Senate might ask itself the next time it refuses to deal with climate change. According to the world's leading scientists, sea-level rise is one of the greatest dangers of global warming, threatening not only islands but coastal cities like New Orleans and even entire countries like Bangladesh. In 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change conservatively predicted a 20-inch sea-level rise by the end of this century if current trends were not reversed. Because of various uncertainties, its calculations excluded the melting of the Greenland and West Antarctica ice sheets. Some academic studies have suggested that rises of four to seven feet are not out of the question. Officials in the Marshall Islands - where a 20-inch rise would drown at least one atoll - are not only thinking about the possibility of having to move entire populations but are entertaining even more existential questions: If its people have to abandon the islands, what citizenship can they claim? Will the country still have a seat at the United Nations? Who owns its fishing rights and offshore mineral resources? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/opinion/30mon4.html -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country?
Cor, if its still a country can we ressurrect Atlantis?? Tom GM4FDM On 08/12/2010 13:18, Don Berger wrote: There isn't one factual statement in the message below nor has it anything to do with DX, ham radio, electronics, etc. Does anyone filter this crap? Don K1VSK - Original Message - From: Doug ve...@sasktel.net To: jjreis...@gmail.com; 'DX CHAT' dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. In my opinion the United States of America can do essentially nothing to effect climate change/global warming. Haven't you heard ... this supposed global warming caused my man made CO2 emissions is a scam. I repeat ... scam, fraud. Man made emissions effect on climate change is a paltry 0.25%. Besides, India and China are the big polluters. Ignorance can be fixed, but you can't fix stupid. Doug Those Island days are always on my mind, Someday soon I leave it all behind -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: December 7, 2010 6:26 PM To: DX CHAT Subject: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? Editorial (New York Times) The Urgent Islands Published: August 29, 2010 If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? That is a question about which the Republic of the Marshall Islands - a Micronesian nation of 29 low-lying coral atolls - is now seeking expert legal advice. It is also a question the United States Senate might ask itself the next time it refuses to deal with climate change. According to the world's leading scientists, sea-level rise is one of the greatest dangers of global warming, threatening not only islands but coastal cities like New Orleans and even entire countries like Bangladesh. In 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change conservatively predicted a 20-inch sea-level rise by the end of this century if current trends were not reversed. Because of various uncertainties, its calculations excluded the melting of the Greenland and West Antarctica ice sheets. Some academic studies have suggested that rises of four to seven feet are not out of the question. Officials in the Marshall Islands - where a 20-inch rise would drown at least one atoll - are not only thinking about the possibility of having to move entire populations but are entertaining even more existential questions: If its people have to abandon the islands, what citizenship can they claim? Will the country still have a seat at the United Nations? Who owns its fishing rights and offshore mineral resources? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/opinion/30mon4.html -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country?
All right guys, let's not lose our tempers over this. The original subject line was a little whimsical, and the article indicated was a serious problem. And yes, it is of some interest to DX'ers since it involves, potentially, the literal submergence of some if not all of the islands of a DXCC entity in the not very distant future. But let's not get into the alleged science of global warming and the related political arguments therein. Those arguments are not directly related to amateur radio in general or DX'ing in particular. More importantly, when the tempers start to flare over things like this, there is a great risk of matters getting out of hand. Let's keep it civil... or take it off-line, OK? 73, ron w3wn administrator, dx chat Dec 8, 2010 01:58:03 AM, ve...@sasktel.net wrote: Everyone is entitled to their opinion. In my opinion the United States of America can do essentially nothing to effect climate change/global warming. Haven't you heard ... this supposed global warming caused my man made CO2 emissions is a scam. I repeat ... scam, fraud. Man made emissions effect on climate change is a paltry 0.25%. Besides, India and China are the big polluters. Ignorance can be fixed, but you can't fix stupid. Doug Those Island days are always on my mind, Someday soon I leave it all behind -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: December 7, 2010 6:26 PM To: DX CHAT Subject: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? Editorial (New York Times) The Urgent Islands Published: August 29, 2010 If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? That is a question about which the Republic of the Marshall Islands - a Micronesian nation of 29 low-lying coral atolls - is now seeking expert legal advice. It is also a question the United States Senate might ask itself the next time it refuses to deal with climate change. According to the world's leading scientists, sea-level rise is one of the greatest dangers of global warming, threatening not only islands but coastal cities like New Orleans and even entire countries like Bangladesh. In 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change conservatively predicted a 20-inch sea-level rise by the end of this century if current trends were not reversed. Because of various uncertainties, its calculations excluded the melting of the Greenland and West Antarctica ice sheets. Some academic studies have suggested that rises of four to seven feet are not out of the question. Officials in the Marshall Islands - where a 20-inch rise would drown at least one atoll - are not only thinking about the possibility of having to move entire populations but are entertaining even more existential questions: If its people have to abandon the islands, what citizenship can they claim? Will the country still have a seat at the United Nations? Who owns its fishing rights and offshore mineral resources? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/opinion/30mon4.html -- Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country?
Do we really want to make a Las Vegas casino an entity in it's own right? I mean, I know Vegas can be a world into and of itself, but stilll... 73, ron w3wn Dec 8, 2010 08:57:02 AM, t...@gm4fdm.com wrote: Cor, if its still a country can we ressurrect Atlantis?? Tom GM4FDM On 08/12/2010 13:18, Don Berger wrote: There isn't one factual statement in the message below nor has it anything to do with DX, ham radio, electronics, etc. Does anyone filter this crap? Don K1VSK - Original Message - From: Doug To: ; 'DX CHAT' Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. In my opinion the United States of America can do essentially nothing to effect climate change/global warming. Haven't you heard ... this supposed global warming caused my man made CO2 emissions is a scam. I repeat ... scam, fraud. Man made emissions effect on climate change is a paltry 0.25%. Besides, India and China are the big polluters. Ignorance can be fixed, but you can't fix stupid. Doug Those Island days are always on my mind, Someday soon I leave it all behind -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: December 7, 2010 6:26 PM To: DX CHAT Subject: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? Editorial (New York Times) The Urgent Islands Published: August 29, 2010 If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? That is a question about which the Republic of the Marshall Islands - a Micronesian nation of 29 low-lying coral atolls - is now seeking expert legal advice. It is also a question the United States Senate might ask itself the next time it refuses to deal with climate change. According to the world's leading scientists, sea-level rise is one of the greatest dangers of global warming, threatening not only islands but coastal cities like New Orleans and even entire countries like Bangladesh. In 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change conservatively predicted a 20-inch sea-level rise by the end of this century if current trends were not reversed. Because of various uncertainties, its calculations excluded the melting of the Greenland and West Antarctica ice sheets. Some academic studies have suggested that rises of four to seven feet are not out of the question. Officials in the Marshall Islands - where a 20-inch rise would drown at least one atoll - are not only thinking about the possibility of having to move entire populations but are entertaining even more existential questions: If its people have to abandon the islands, what citizenship can they claim? Will the country still have a seat at the United Nations? Who owns its fishing rights and offshore mineral resources? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/opinion/30mon4.html -- Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country?
There isn't one factual statement Talk about lack of facts - these are facts that the media and Global Warming alarmists simply ignore since they are not easy to explain away and disprove the hypothesis concerning a correlation between human development and global temperatures, 1) Atmospheric CO2 levels are lower than the average level through geologic time (fact). 2) If atmospheric CO2 levels caused global warming we would be in an ice age as CO2 levels are currently lower than in either of the last two major ice ages 3) Global temperatures have shown far greater swings through geologic history - *before* industrialization and urbanization - than the cumulative two or three degrees C over two to three decades that the Global Warming Alarmists are obsessing over. 4) The largest contribution to increases in global CO2 levels has been in deforestation in the developing world - China, India, Brazil and large parts of Africa. 5) NASA space based global temperature records show less than 1 C change in nearly 30 years of data. Does anyone filter this crap? Don't like it? Don't contribute to the fiction ... otherwise use your delete key. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/8/2010 8:18 AM, Don Berger wrote: There isn't one factual statement in the message below nor has it anything to do with DX, ham radio, electronics, etc. Does anyone filter this crap? Don K1VSK - Original Message - From: Doug ve...@sasktel.net To: jjreis...@gmail.com; 'DX CHAT' dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. In my opinion the United States of America can do essentially nothing to effect climate change/global warming. Haven't you heard ... this supposed global warming caused my man made CO2 emissions is a scam. I repeat ... scam, fraud. Man made emissions effect on climate change is a paltry 0.25%. Besides, India and China are the big polluters. Ignorance can be fixed, but you can't fix stupid. Doug Those Island days are always on my mind, Someday soon I leave it all behind -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: December 7, 2010 6:26 PM To: DX CHAT Subject: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? Editorial (New York Times) The Urgent Islands Published: August 29, 2010 If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? That is a question about which the Republic of the Marshall Islands - a Micronesian nation of 29 low-lying coral atolls - is now seeking expert legal advice. It is also a question the United States Senate might ask itself the next time it refuses to deal with climate change. According to the world's leading scientists, sea-level rise is one of the greatest dangers of global warming, threatening not only islands but coastal cities like New Orleans and even entire countries like Bangladesh. In 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change conservatively predicted a 20-inch sea-level rise by the end of this century if current trends were not reversed. Because of various uncertainties, its calculations excluded the melting of the Greenland and West Antarctica ice sheets. Some academic studies have suggested that rises of four to seven feet are not out of the question. Officials in the Marshall Islands - where a 20-inch rise would drown at least one atoll - are not only thinking about the possibility of having to move entire populations but are entertaining even more existential questions: If its people have to abandon the islands, what citizenship can they claim? Will the country still have a seat at the United Nations? Who owns its fishing rights and offshore mineral resources? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/opinion/30mon4.html -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country?
Again, as I posted about an hour ago, this is getting political and tempers are flaring. Global warming and similarly politically correct science is out of bounds for this reflector. It may be OK elsewhere, but not here. Tempers are starting to flare, and I'm already getting a few PM's about it. Let's stop this before it goes any further, OK? 73, ron w3wn administrator, dx chat Dec 8, 2010 10:11:00 AM, w...@subich.com wrote: There isn't one factual statement Talk about lack of facts - these are facts that the media and Global Warming alarmists simply ignore since they are not easy to explain away and disprove the hypothesis concerning a correlation between human development and global temperatures, 1) Atmospheric CO2 levels are lower than the average level through geologic time (fact). 2) If atmospheric CO2 levels caused global warming we would be in an ice age as CO2 levels are currently lower than in either of the last two major ice ages 3) Global temperatures have shown far greater swings through geologic history - *before* industrialization and urbanization - than the cumulative two or three degrees C over two to three decades that the Global Warming Alarmists are obsessing over. 4) The largest contribution to increases in global CO2 levels has been in deforestation in the developing world - China, India, Brazil and large parts of Africa. 5) NASA space based global temperature records show less than 1 C change in nearly 30 years of data. Does anyone filter this crap? Don't like it? Don't contribute to the fiction ... otherwise use your delete key. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/8/2010 8:18 AM, Don Berger wrote: There isn't one factual statement in the message below nor has it anything to do with DX, ham radio, electronics, etc. Does anyone filter this crap? Don K1VSK - Original Message - From: Doug To: ; 'DX CHAT' Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. In my opinion the United States of America can do essentially nothing to effect climate change/global warming. Haven't you heard ... this supposed global warming caused my man made CO2 emissions is a scam. I repeat ... scam, fraud. Man made emissions effect on climate change is a paltry 0.25%. Besides, India and China are the big polluters. Ignorance can be fixed, but you can't fix stupid. Doug Those Island days are always on my mind, Someday soon I leave it all behind -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: December 7, 2010 6:26 PM To: DX CHAT Subject: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? Editorial (New York Times) The Urgent Islands Published: August 29, 2010 If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? That is a question about which the Republic of the Marshall Islands - a Micronesian nation of 29 low-lying coral atolls - is now seeking expert legal advice. It is also a question the United States Senate might ask itself the next time it refuses to deal with climate change. According to the world's leading scientists, sea-level rise is one of the greatest dangers of global warming, threatening not only islands but coastal cities like New Orleans and even entire countries like Bangladesh. In 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change conservatively predicted a 20-inch sea-level rise by the end of this century if current trends were not reversed. Because of various uncertainties, its calculations excluded the melting of the Greenland and West Antarctica ice sheets. Some academic studies have suggested that rises of four to seven feet are not out of the question. Officials in the Marshall Islands - where a 20-inch rise would drown at least one atoll - are not only thinking about the possibility of having to move entire populations but are entertaining even more existential questions: If its people have to abandon the islands, what citizenship can they claim? Will the country still have a seat at the United Nations? Who owns its fishing rights and offshore mineral resources? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/opinion/30mon4.html -- Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector
