RE: [DX-CHAT] Re: LOTW cannot possibly catch up

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Don,

I've been reading comments on the LotW situation for several weeks now -- on
this reflector, on other email reflectors, and in the online forums for
several web sites.

Based on that overall picture, I think we can group the critical comments
into two categories:

The first category concerns comments from those who are generally interested
in getting the situation resolved.  That includes users with and without an
IT background, many of whom understand the issues regarding a worldwide
database application of this magnitude, and how difficult (and expensive)
the management of such a system can be -- to say nothing of the fixes when
something goes kaflooey.

I consider this category the constructive comments.

The second category concerns comments from those who actually don't care
about LotW.  Most of these are from people who have a grudge against the
ARRL in particular and/or other amateur radio groups or societies in
general.  Some of these people are simply being ornery curmudgeons just they
can be (or because they like, for some twisted reason, to stir up trouble
for others).  

Many of the comments from this group, when you step back and look at them
overall, show a lack of understanding (or an unwillingness to care) about
the situation in general or in specifics.  Many of the comments become
contradictory; that is to say, they answer another's comment solely to
further their agenda at the moment, and/or smear LotW and/or ARRL,
regardless of what they said in the past -- be it a month ago, a week ago,
or 10 minutes ago.

I consider this category destructive comments.

I have no problem with the constructive comments.  I may not agree with
someone, but I respect them for saying it.  These comments are from people
who genuinely want to get the situation fixed -- both for the moment and for
good.

Now as far as the destructive comments, I am sure that I'm not the only one
who would like to tell this small group to Shut The Front Door.  These
comments are not helping.  They are sowing confusion, misleading
conclusions, and in general are raising the background noise without
improving the Signal to Noise ratio.

So... those who truly wish to assist or are truly concerned about fixing the
problem, please continue to post.  

As far as the other group goes... your displeasure has been duly noted.
Thank you.  Now: let the rest of us work on the issues without further
distractions.  

73, ron w3wn
Note:  Just speaking for myself.  Not putting on my administrative cap on...
yet.

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Don Berger
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 2:47 PM
To: Dx-Chat
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: LOTW cannot possibly catch up


Having read most of the comments critical of the time lag, I am reminded of 
the time when it took forever to get confirmations via the mail and some 
bureaus.

This whole issue seems to me to be centered among those who either can't 
recall those days or the younger folks who suffer from what is hopefully not

a communicable form of the disease knows as instant gratification-itis.

Don K1VSK 



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RE: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Blaming the ARRL IT staff for the problem is pointless.  I've dealt with
them in the past on issues.  They are doing the best they can with what
resources they have been given.  

To use a poor analogy:  This is akin to blaming the ditch digger for using a
shovel, when a backhoe would be faster.  The ditch digger would rather have
a backhoe as well, but it's all he was issued.  Or, it's akin to blaming the
line crew working on a downed power line for taking 2 hours to arrive
instead of 15 minutes, when it was the power company's management that
consolidated the local maintenance garages into one central one 25 miles
away, and then reduced the staff levels due to redundancy and
efficiency.

As I have said here and elsewhere:  If you don't like the situation -- and I
don't like it either -- complaining here is pointless.  If you are an ARRL
member, complain to your Division Director.  The Division Directors make up
the ARRL Board, and they are SUPPOSED to listen to the membership -- that's
us, and remember, WE are the League, not the Board, not the HQ staff, but
US, the members.  If we don't tell them we're concerned, and that we want
something done... nothing will happen.

Further, considering that in the recent past...

-- the design bug has been discovered and fixed, so no more mysterious loss
of logs
-- the update process is now more transparent, as new tools are available to
track upload processing
-- new hardware is on order
-- the Trusted QSL open source project is being reopened (that's the
programming that is at least part of the LotW system), and C++ developers
are being sought to help -- and if you don't believe me on that or you
didn't get the email, just ask AA6YQ

... I'd say that the Directors ARE hearing our concerns, and that they ARE
telling the HQ staff to devote more resources to the system, and that things
ARE moving along.  Maybe not as fast as we want, but they ARE in progress.

It may not be ideal.  It's a start.

So insulting the people in the trenches working on the system does little
to no good.  Kvetching about things here may blow off steam  make you feel
better, but does little good.

You want something done?  Contact your Division Director.  And keep
contacting him (or her).  

73, ron w3wn
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From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 4:18 PM
To: w...@suddenlink.net
Cc: Dx-Chat
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up



 SO, please let me ask; what do the complainers expect to accomplish
 by continuing to kick this horse?

How about getting others involved in *doing something* about the
problem?  Since the ARRL IT department seems to want to bury its
head in the sand and claims a new storage system will magically
fix all the ills of LotW after doing nothing for three years ...
since ARRL Management wants to spend as little as possible on LotW
and has basically ignored it for six years, how about screaming at
your Director to provide real resources for LotW and DX programs
for a change?

In case folks have forgotten, the DXCC Yearbook is no longer being
mailed to each participant for free.  DXCC fees went up this year,
LotW fees went up this year (for those who generally purchased in
bulk), etc.  DX and contest related programs have been getting the
short end of the stick for a lot of years ... this is one place
that the line needs to be drawn.  Fix LotW - stop giving it lip
service.

Instead of a clear and well researched diagnosis after appropriate
tests and consultation, this patient who is slipping into a coma is
being told take this expensive pill and call me in six months if
you don't improve.


73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 12/15/2012 2:55 PM, Mike(W5UC)  Kathy (K5MWH) wrote:

 All of us on this reflector are painfully aware that LoTW has a
 problem,  Additionally we all have seen this discussion go on ad
 nausium. All of us are concerned about the problem.  None of this is new
 NEWS.  So far I have told you nothing new.  The complaining goes on 
 on, and accomplishes nothing.

 SO, please let me ask;  what do the complainers expect to accomplish by
 continuing to kick this horse?  If you just like to hear yourself
 complain, please, just send the e-mails to yourself, and spare the rest
 of us from having to deal with all of the superfluous BS.

 73,
 Mike, W5UC




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Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

No Ryan, the League is not a dictatorship.

 
To answer more generically, and not specifically to you (or just you):

 
However: If you want change, and are not happy with the current situation with 
the Logbook server... kvetching about it on this reflector will not accomplish 
anything. And I think that was, in a roundabout way, Charlie's point. 

 
Not to pick on any one individual, but between the various DX  contest related 
email reflectors I'm on, and the various web site forums I participate in (I 
still owe you a drink at the bar), there do seem to be a handful of people who 
are constantly nitpicking at every little detail. Again: I'm not saying that 
they're wrong to do so (nor am I saying that they're right to do so, mind you). 
I AM saying that they are kvetching in the wrong forum. They've made their 
point, and now it becomes piling on.

 
As I've said before, here and elsewhere: If you don't like the situation, don't 
post about it on a forum, or send an email to a reflector. WRITE YOUR DIVISION 
DIRECTOR and tell HIM (or HER). Write the 
ARRL President and VP's. THEY are the Board of Directors. THEY set policy. Not 
the HQ staff (at least on paper). And the policy they set is supposed to be 
based on what WE, the membership, tell them.

 
And I think the recent revelation of new hardware being ordered, with delivery 
 installation expected in a few weeks, means that they've heard us. But that 
doesn't mean we should stop -- just that we need to voice our opinions in the 
right way  to the right people.

 
But: if we don't tell them... nothing will change.

 
73, ron w3wn



On 12/14/12, Ryan Jairam wrote:


Has the league become a dictatorship now?

Last I checked I voted in elections a month ago... We aren't just
customers of ARRL, we ARE ARRL and if we don't like how things are
going, we have a right to demand change.

73
Ryan, N2RJ

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Charlie Wooten NF4A n...@knology.net wrote:

 I wish you guys would quitcherbitchin about LOTW.give em a chance to fix
 the problem.don't sit there and criticize something that is allowing you
 to get DXCC confirmations in lightning speed compared to 10 years
 agotake off your computer expert hat and let the league's staff deal
 with the problem..

 NF4A




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Re: [DX-CHAT] Since this really has nothing to do with DXing

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Since many of our DX brethern are interested in county hunting as well, I 
disagree that this doesn't belong, even if it's not 100% on topic.
 
And I don't see any bashing... simply an acknowledgement that the day-to-day 
County Hunters have their own way of doing things.
 
73, ron w3wn


On 06/19/12, Duane, WV2B wrote:




Since this really has nothing to do with DXing, and is turning into just a 
bunch of bashing, maybe we should agree it doesn't belong here and go on with 
our lives?

You cannot do a kindness too soon, for you never know how soon it
will be too late.
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Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] Since this really has nothing to do with DXing

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

OK, since I know what Duane is referring to, let me clarify... putting on the Admin cap first...The question was raised about why County Hunters objected to the use of phonetics on their net. (And I have the feeling that it wasn't neccesarily handled in the best way possible, or the question might not have been raised, but that's not germane at the moment)Duane answered, and in doing so, quoted part  parcel of from the County Hunter's site as to why their group discourages use of said phonetics.Now, I neither agree nor disagree with their position; I'm not a County Hunter, so I don't know off hand how they do things. But clearly, they have their own way of doing things. So if you want to operate on their nets, what Duane quoted is how they want things done.I understand that some have disagreed with him. But he's just relaying the reasons. In short, "don't shoot the messenger"What does this have to do with DX'ing? Well, we have many DX'ers who hunt counties, and might be interested in the CH net(s), so it certainly is of interest to THEM to know that procedures on those nets or with those groups are different. So, IMHO, it's not 100% related to pure DX, but there's more than enough to justify a friendly discussion.And, as Zack pointed out, other groups (on other frequencies or modes) also have procedures or methods that differ from traditional DX'ing. It's good to know that, even if it's not something that any one of us is neccesarily interested in at the present time. Bottom line is, IMHO... if you don't care for the way a particular group operates, don't take it personally... either adapt to their methods, or move along. And if you don't understand WHY they operate that way, there's nothing wrong with asking for an explanation from someone who knows.73, ron w3wnadministrator, dx chatOn 06/19/12, Elsie  Gerry wrote:Since this post doesn’t have any context included, I don’t have a clue what he’s talking about. A bad habit of many.Gerry VE6LBFrom: Duane, WV2B Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 7:32 AMTo: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] Since this really has nothing to do with DXingSince this really has nothing to do with DXing, and is turning into just a bunch of bashing, maybe we should agree it doesn't belong here and go on with our lives?"You cannot do a kindness too soon, for you never know how soon itwill be too late."Ralph Waldo Emerson---To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org--- ---To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org--- 

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Aw, c'mon Barry, can we please stop automatically blaming EVERYTHING on the
ARRL?

Even if the individual band certificates, or 5 Band, didn't exist... there
would still be induhviduals who would just HAVE to work the DX on every
possible band/mode combination they could operate on.  There would still be
induhviduals who will run as much power as they can to get in the log
first.  There would still be induhviduals who will work the DX every
single day on the same band/mode, just to show off that they can.

In short, there will always be DX Hogs.  That is an ugly facet of human
nature.  

And I speak as one of the little pistols... sometimes more like a squirt
gun.  I can still remember more than a few times, when chasing DX for 80/75,
that a DX Hog would step all over me.  And when asked, the few that
responded gave me an answer to why did you do that? that boiled down to
because I can, and if you don't like it, tough noogies.

There may be more DX Hogs out there today than long ago, but then, there are
also more hams, and more DX'ers, out there as well.  So the problem may seem
to be worse than it ever was, but only in terms of numbers (IMHO), not
percentage of poor operators out of total operators.

We should concentrate on trying to lead by example, to teach those who are
willing to learn how to operate properly.  Not assign blame.  

But the DX Hogs and general purpose lids?  There will always be some,
because some induhviduals have egos that persuade them to be such.  All we
can do is try to minimize the damage that they do, and ignore them when we
can.

Blaming an organization because they expanded an award program upon popular
request?  C'mon.

73 

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Barry
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 5:04 PM
To: rjai...@gmail.com; NJDXA DX Chat
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?


I disagree.  The last day of the Yemen DXpediition was the first day I 
heard them well here in Colorado.  There were still lots of callers.  
Fortunately, I didn't need it, so I never got into the pileups.

ARRL created this mess when they expanded DXCC to include individual 
band awards.  There are plenty of little guns and those who don't live 
in propagationally-favorable locations left out in the cold on many 
DXpeditions because many guys have the need and are sufficiently bored 
with their lives to chase them on 15+ band-modes.

Barry W2UP

On 6/5/2012 2:39 PM, Ryan Jairam wrote:

 I don't really buy that argument. In the last days of a DXpedition,
 they're usually begging.

 Those who couldn't make a QSO probably couldn't make a QSO on a
 completely clear band anyway. There is only so much you can work with
 a dipole and 100 watts.

 And finally, DXing is competitive.You can be a good sport but you
 don't have to put yourself at a disadvantage to make others feel
 better.

 Ryan, N2RJ

 On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Joe Subich, W4TVw...@subich.com  wrote:

 I think KQ8M's first comment in response to G7VJR's editorial is
 on point.  Clublog's Leaderboards should be modified to stop
 counting at 11 band slots.  11 (or 12 if the operation works
 six meters) allows a station to work the operation on each band
 plus pick up QSOs on CW, Digital, and voice.

 Quite frankly, in spite of falling prey to the seduction of high
 leaderboard numbers a time or two myself, anyone who shows up with
 more than 14 or 15 band slots is simply a DX HOG.  There is simply
 no excuse for such behavior.

 N1DG's presentation at Dayton clearly showed the DX HOGs do not
 provide increased support (contributions with QSL) relative to
 the number of band slots worked ... even the more QSOs mean more
 revenue argument falls flat.

 73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



 On 6/5/2012 2:54 PM, Paul M Dunphy wrote:

 G7VJR's point of view (ClubLog creator and T32C participant):

 http://g7vjr.org/2012/06/expedition-leaderboards-good-or-bad/

 73, Paul VE1DX



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RE: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I will admit that there are more than a few big gun DXpeditions, the last
few years, that I have managed to work on band/mode combos that I didn't
need.

 

Most of those QSOs, though, came in the last week to 10 days.  If I hear the
station on, coming in strong, and not working anyone for minutes at a time.
why not?  I don't feel that IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION that I'm taking a
QSO away from someone else calling, because there isn't anyone else calling.
at least that the DX station is hearing.

 

The leaderboards may be encouraging some DX Hogs in that it lets them easily
show off that they can work 'em all.  Apples to oranges, though, most of
the DX Hogs would do so anyway, even if the leaderboards didn't exist.

 

The problem isn't the leaderboards.  It's the DX Hogs  other lids.  The
leaderboards only illustrate the problem, they don't create it.  IMHO

 

73

 

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From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Zack Widup
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 5:59 PM
To: dx-chat
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?

 


Someone has pointed out recently that for DXCC requirements, you could get
by with 9 QSO's which would cover 160 through 10 meters. You only need one
QSO each on CW, SSB and RTTY, so you could either fit them in amongst your 9
QSO's, or make a total of 11 QSO's to satisfy DXCC requirements.

The Leaderboards seem to be the things that are inspiring people to make 27
QSO's with the DX. I'm sure some of these stations that are coming out on
top of the leadeboards have worked some of these stations previously on some
of those band/modes, so it becomes mostly a thing of greed and ego.

73, Zack W9SZ



On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV w...@subich.com wrote:





On 6/5/2012 4:39 PM, Ryan Jairam wrote:

I don't really buy that argument. In the last days of a DXpedition,
they're usually begging.

 

You obviously did not attempt to work 7O6T on RTTY. The Europeans
monopolized the few available RTTY band slots and even chased 7O6T
off RTTY many times in the last days of the DXpedition.

Quite simply, Leaderboards as currently structured encourage rampant
DX Hoggery and have no place in radiosport.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 6/5/2012 4:39 PM, Ryan Jairam wrote:

I don't really buy that argument. In the last days of a DXpedition,
they're usually begging.

Those who couldn't make a QSO probably couldn't make a QSO on a
completely clear band anyway. There is only so much you can work with
a dipole and 100 watts.

And finally, DXing is competitive.You can be a good sport but you
don't have to put yourself at a disadvantage to make others feel
better.

Ryan, N2RJ

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Joe Subich, W4TVw...@subich.com wrote:

 

I think KQ8M's first comment in response to G7VJR's editorial is
on point. Clublog's Leaderboards should be modified to stop
counting at 11 band slots. 11 (or 12 if the operation works
six meters) allows a station to work the operation on each band
plus pick up QSOs on CW, Digital, and voice.

Quite frankly, in spite of falling prey to the seduction of high
leaderboard numbers a time or two myself, anyone who shows up with
more than 14 or 15 band slots is simply a DX HOG. There is simply
no excuse for such behavior.

N1DG's presentation at Dayton clearly showed the DX HOGs do not
provide increased support (contributions with QSL) relative to
the number of band slots worked ... even the more QSOs mean more
revenue argument falls flat.

73,

... Joe, W4TV



On 6/5/2012 2:54 PM, Paul M Dunphy wrote:



G7VJR's point of view (ClubLog creator and T32C participant):

http://g7vjr.org/2012/06/expedition-leaderboards-good-or-bad/

73, Paul VE1DX



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RE: [DX-CHAT] F Y I

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Administrative note:

 

Folks, this is an argument from another set of reflectors that was dropped
in here.  

 

If you wish to reply, keep in mind that YOU may not have privileges on the
other reflectors, so your comments won't be read by those intended to see
it, AND you will get bounce backs.  That's one of the reasons that the no
cross posting rule on this reflector exists.

 

Thanks for your understanding.

 

And I will now take off my administrative hat, and make my own personal
comments, in a separate email.

 

73,  ron w3wn

Administrator, DX Chat

 

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From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of ragnar otterstad
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:38 AM
To: dx-chat; d...@dxhf.darc.de
Cc: dx-qsl
Subject: [DX-CHAT] F Y I

 

How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to
LoTW? He has never tried it!
Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway.
73 de Roger/G3SXW.


From: Tom Wylie 
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM
To: Trevor Dunne 
Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E

  
Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there 
are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical 
logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their 
position, and can be considered a red herring.

In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions 
myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no 
matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the 
number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I 
uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving
hundreds via the buro in addition.

Tom
GM4FDM

On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote:
 Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last
 night it was a talk on DXpedition funding,

 NCDXF (@NCDXF)
 19/05/2012 20:10
 Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: The minute the LOTW
 upload happens, you might as well close the bank account.

 Goes against the general feeling posted here,

 Trevor
 EI2GLB




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RE: [DX-CHAT] F Y I

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

With all due respect to Roger, who's opinion I do respect. the comments
quoted below from N1DG are taken out of context.  If the context had been
clearer, he might not have asked the question.

 

Doug's presentation yesterday at the DX Forum, which led off all of the
presentations, was on the cost of major DXpeditions.  It was an analysis of
at least 20-25 such groups over the last few years, data that they
voluntarily provided to him, or were required to provide as part of the
donation conditions given to them by NCDXF and other DX foundations.  If I
recall correctly, the time span was about 20 years - and my only quibble
with his data is that I don't believe that he adjusted the numbers for
inflation.

 

With that in mind, also consider that he explicitly stated that as the
treasurer for one of the groups involved, it was HIS observation based on
the QSL requests that crossed HIS desk, that the donations  contributions
that came with QSL requests dwindled from a few a day to almost nothing,
once the major log upload to Logbook of the World happened.  

 

And, several of the groups he talked with told him the same thing - nor did
it matter if the LotW upload was 3 months, 6 months, or a year after the
trip was over.  

 

Is this true for every group?  Probably not, as there are many unique
factors in every DXpedition.  One can argue about sample size, and other
factors.  But, that's not the point.

 

Roger may well ask how does Doug know, but only because the original tweet
took one single line, out of context.  And that context explained, in
detail, how he did so.

 

Finally, Doug also stated that his analysis, and the PowePoint presentation
he used, would be made available on the NCDXF web site.  I'm sure it's going
to take him a few days, between getting home and recovering from Dayton, but
it will be there.  

 

I'd respectfully suggest that if anyone disagrees with his numbers or
analysis, take a look at it FIRST and then discuss it - with Doug.

 

73, ron w3wn

 

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From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of ragnar otterstad
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:38 AM
To: dx-chat; d...@dxhf.darc.de
Cc: dx-qsl
Subject: [DX-CHAT] F Y I

 

How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to
LoTW? He has never tried it!
Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway.
73 de Roger/G3SXW.


From: Tom Wylie 
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM
To: Trevor Dunne 
Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E

  
Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there 
are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical 
logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their 
position, and can be considered a red herring.

In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions 
myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no 
matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the 
number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I 
uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving
hundreds via the buro in addition.

Tom
GM4FDM

On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote:
 Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last
 night it was a talk on DXpedition funding,

 NCDXF (@NCDXF)
 19/05/2012 20:10
 Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: The minute the LOTW
 upload happens, you might as well close the bank account.

 Goes against the general feeling posted here,

 Trevor
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Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW Error ?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

That may be an error in the certificate... that is to say, the wrong entity was 
put in when the certificate was applied for.
So while the error is showing in LotW, this may be more of a case of GIGO
73


On 02/29/12, Mark Horowitz wrote:







Did anyone work TI5/K2PLF ? When I received confirmation from LOTW , The entity 
was listed as United States of America. The zone was # 7. 

I'll try to email ARRL and let them know.

73,

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Republic of Wadiya - New Country?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I wouldn't worry about it until they get an ITU assigned prefix and phone
block.  

Somehow, I don't think that's too likely. 

73

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Gary K9GS
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:47 AM
To: DX Chat
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Republic of Wadiya - New Country?


Could this be a new one?

http://www.republicofwadiya.com/?gclid=CPPPxbvngq4CFS6FQAodpw413w

In the upper right corner there is an English language button.

It looks pretty easy to get to via Miami.






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RE: [DX-CHAT] Republic of Wadiya - New Country?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I'll bet.

I hear Borat is going to interview the leader of the country as well.

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of AE5B
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 3:08 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Republic of Wadiya - New Country?

 
Funny that the news media has had very little to say about this newly formed
Middle East country. My connections tell me that Super Bowl Security is
concerned that the Wadiya Department of Communications may be planning to
tap
into the Super Bowl TV feed and deliver a video message to the world.

John
AE5B





On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 14:31:01 -0500, you wrote:


I wouldn't worry about it until they get an ITU assigned prefix and phone
block.  

Somehow, I don't think that's too likely. 

73

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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:47 AM
To: DX Chat
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Republic of Wadiya - New Country?


Could this be a new one?

http://www.republicofwadiya.com/?gclid=CPPPxbvngq4CFS6FQAodpw413w

In the upper right corner there is an English language button.

It looks pretty easy to get to via Miami.


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RE: [DX-CHAT] Republic of Wadiya - New Country?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Not to worry!  I'm sure that Wadiya will be admitted.

Right about the same time Parador is.

73

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From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of JIM Abercrombie
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:27 PM
To: garyk...@wi.rr.com; DX Chat
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You guys are forgetting one important thing: The UN must accept it for a new

country before the ARRL will recognize it.
Jim N4JA
- Original Message - 
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To: DX Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:46 AM
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Republic of Wadiya - New Country?


 Could this be a new one?

 http://www.republicofwadiya.com/?gclid=CPPPxbvngq4CFS6FQAodpw413w

 In the upper right corner there is an English language button.

 It looks pretty easy to get to via Miami.






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RE: [DX-CHAT] VP6T Logs

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Sorry, can't help you.  The only QSO I made with them showed up online,
although I didn't check right away.

73, ron w3wn

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 7:46 PM
To: DX Chat
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I noticed that they claim to be continually uploading their logs to 
LOTW.  None of my QSOs have matched yet.  Anyone seeing the same issue

Steve, N4JQQ


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RE: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW (Long)

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I think a few general comments on use of Logbook of the World are in order.Of course, first and foremost, this is my opinion only, YMMV.And by no means is this a criticism of LotW. I am very much in favor of the entire concept. If I have any gripe at all, it would be more of a lament that more resources are not devoted towards it, not just in terms of maintaining the code, the databases, and the server itself... but towards improving and expanding the capabilities of the system. But that's not my purpose today.I think that this entire discussion, with regards to STØR in particular, has overlooked one very important point:Just because you CAN do something does not always mean you SHOULD.Yes, the capability to upload almost instantly is there, and it's great. But it's one thing for you or I as individuals to do this. We keep our logs, we know our logs, we know right away what's legit and what isn't (or at least I do, I hope you do to!) Things get a mite more complicated when it comes to multi-op logs, especially from a major, multioperator, multi-national DXpedition anywhere near this scope. Station and mode logs have to be merged, some processing and cross checking has to be done, in some cases some issues with language related discrepancies (starting with American English vs. British English!) might need resolved. Problems noted with regards to posted on-line "on demand" logs mayneed addressed as well.This has to be done sooner or later; better to do it first and get it right while things are still "fresh" in everyone's mind. So there's one delay.Second, I think we get a little spoiled. Yes, some groups have their act together better than others. Some plan better or more thoroughly. Or, more lilkely, some groups have different priorities... maybe Logbook (or eQSL or similar services) is not a high priority to them, other things are being taken care of first,before, during and/or after the trip. So there's another reason why there may be a delay between the time a trip ends and the logs get posted.Most importantly... last but certainly not least... appearances to the contrary, most (the vast majority by far) of the DXpedition operators are not professionals. They don't play radio for a living. Yes, I know, many are now retired and have money to burn and time to devote. But many have families and jobs and other obligations. Sure, they just carved out 2 weeks to a month or more to operate from Lower Slobovia for your pleasure... and that includes transport back and forth... now they have to return to real life. No doubt they have things to catch up on. And many are probably a little tired and weary from days or weeks of operating, and need a chance to take a breath, recharge, and do something else. Big deal, then let the QSL manager do it, you think? Sometimes the QSL manager (or the leader of the QSL processing group) is a member of the team that took the trip; see paragraph above. And they still need time to process the logs, get the cards printed, and allthat.So what's the rush? Why the demands to get cards turned around so quickly, or to get the logs posted?In no particular order: Impatience and ego. A combination of "I need it NOW" and "I need to brag about it NOW" Yeah, OK, I know that the ARRL's deadline for the annual status checks is the end of the year. So it's missed. So what? So the end of the year snapshot shows you 1 shy of HR, or 1 shy of the top. So what? You think you're the only one? You think you're being singled out? On the contrary; it's not just you, it's hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the same boat, waiting for the elusive confirmation.Does your ego demand that YOU must be taken care of ahead of everyone else? [If so, you may need professional assistance in dealing with this.]What is the worse case? You get your confirmation next year instead of next week. But you still get it. OK, OK, I know that there have been a few indiviuals, and a few groups, that have stated that theyare holding back on LotW until all of the direct cards are issued (to be "fair"), or are giving their donors a "perk" by uploading them first. I'm not going to defend this as "right", nor am I going to defend anyone (individual or group) who holds up ANY confirmation process (paper or electronic) to help pay the bills. Too many people go on DXpeditions for the sake of their egos. I'm not saying that's a bad thing (after all, otherwise they might not go at all!), but let's keep this in perspective: They're going because they WANT to go. Fine. Just don't expect ME to pay to feed YOUR ego. If you can't afford to go, then don't go.Yes, let me say that again: If you can't afford to go, then don't go. Don't demand "donations" to pay for your trip... or your radio operating while on vacation. And don't hold confirmations up as a hostage until you get the loot. That's called "blackmail" and I do believe it's illegal.Sure. Some places are rare because they are hard to get to, the trip is difficult, and it's 

RE: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Oh, heck Rag, that's easy.

 

Some people don't have computers in their shack. or even their home.  May be
hard to believe, but it's true (I know quite a few right here in my town).
So Logbook of the World is not an option for them at all.

 

Some people are old fashioned.  They just plain like having the physical
card.  You can put me in that camp.  There's something about that physical
card that an electronic confirmation just doesn't come anywhere near.

 

Some people just don't like the ARRL.  Why is an entirely different matter
for another time.  For this group, if the League had anything to do with it,
it must be bad.

 

Some believe (IMHO quite incorrectly) that LotW is, in one form or another,
too hard to use.  Even if you help get them set up, they won't upload.
unless you (or someone) is willing to do all the work for them.

 

Some people don't want to be bothered with the security.  You will read or
hear the argument that LotW is more secure than most banks, credit cards, or
other financial institutions.  Which actually says a lot more about how
insecure your money and credit might be, but you'll never convince them of
that.

 

Some like the concept of LotW, but are convinced that it's somehow a
money-making scheme that will rip off the average amateur.  You can open the
books and show them otherwise, but they won't believe you.

 

Some believe that LotW is a concept stolen from eQSL.  And they've chosen
sides. you can tell them all you want about the history behind LotW, and how
for decades people (I'm one of these too) at the DX Forum at the Dayton
Hamvention amongst other places, long before the advent of the World Wide
Web, begging for something like this.  They won't believe you.  

 

And some people are just ornery, crotchety curmudgeons who don't like change
or anything new.  If it was good enough for Hiram Percy Maxim, it was good
enough for them.  (Don't look for these guys on PSK-31. or even SSB)

 

Given time, I'm sure we can come up with more reasons. 

 

But most importantly, never forget that Logbook of the World is meant to
supplement the traditional QSL process, or serve as an alternative to it.
It was never meant to outright replace the traditional QSL card in the short
term, if ever.  

 

Now given time, to say nothing of postage increases  IRC acquisition
hassles, I'm certain that you will see more and more people accept and use
LotW in place of the traditional card.  But the QSL card will always have
its place.  It will be a sad day when it fades away.

 

73, ron w3wn

 

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From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of ragnar otterstad
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:09 PM
To: DX-Chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW

 

 

 However, at $2.00 per card there is not a lot of
net profit in direct cards after printing and postage.  An SASE
to/from an in country manager is a net loss to the DXpedition.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV

 

What you say makes perfect sense-.Add the cost for  the deserving 

and it becomes obvious that LOTW is a  Win-Win situation.

So why some people are so reluctant to use right away it escapes me

.

 

73  Rag  LA5HE

 

 


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RE: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Oh yes Rag, you've made more than a few points.  But let's stick to the
important one.

 

I am positive that the ST0R logs will be on Logbook of the World at some
point.  I'm not going to spend time combing their web site to find out when
they plan to do that.  The group has done several other trips in the past,
including E4X Palestine, that have been uploaded in the past. why would they
change now?

 

Nor do I think they are deliberately delaying solely to rake in money,
despite allegations from you to the contrary.  I base this again on their
past history. my E4X QSO's were confirmed on LotW before I sent for my QSL
card.  If they were waiting for a payoff, it would have been a long time
before my LotW confirmation arrived.

 

So why is it taking so long?  As I told you directly, you'll get the best
answer by asking them directly.  But I suspect they're busy. merging logs,
checking for bad or missing information, putting things away, sorting
incoming requests, and so forth.  And that is in ADDITION to them living
their lives, working, family, other operating, etc.

 

Therefore:  Cut them some slack.  

 

I'm sure you're eager for your confirmations to come, since it's a new
one, but they will come.

 

Yes. T32C uploaded within a few weeks.  So have other groups.  Others have
taken months, some years.  Others have not uploaded at all.  Are you going
to try and pressure everyone else into giving you near- or
relative-instant gratification?

 

Therefore:  trying to pressure them into moving faster, solely because YOU
are impatient, is not the answer.  And using this reflector to try and stir
up pressure is pointless. and against the spirit (if not the precise
letter) of the rules of this reflector.

 

This reflector is meant for discussion of news and events (the announcement
of that news belongs on the companion DX NEWS reflector), and it is meant to
do so in a calm, rational, friendly matter.  It is NOT meant to pressure,
coerce, or otherwise hassle DX operators or those who volunteer their time
to operate and/or confirm DXpeditions.

 

Your earlier criticism of the ST0R group over your unhappiness over their
confirmation policies with regard to Logbook of the World came dangerously
close to crossing the line.  I am not putting on my Administrator hat. yet.
I am simply cautioning you to tone it down and/or knock it off.  

 

Your position has been noted.  Now, if you can't continue a calm discussion
without either pressure or gloating, perchance you should take your comments
elsewhere.

 

73, ron w3wn

 

 

 

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From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of ragnar otterstad
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:20 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW

 

 

I have made my point. Others have made the same point. Pressure is building.
Note that T32C uploaded to LoTW within six weeks, not months!

 

73  rag  la5he

 

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RE: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

That's not the point at all Rag.  And don't change the subject.

 

The issue you raised is not whether or not an electronic confirmation system
should be used.  It was, by implication, that DXpeditions in general, and
ST0R in particular, are using the QSL confirmation as a cashcow to raise
money.  And other related implications that are more than a bit unsavory and
not worthy of further discussion.

 

Since instead of replying to my earlier comments, you are changing the
subject. I'd venture to say that you actually don't have any facts to back
these earlier statements of yours up, you just want to stir things up.

 

If you want to do so, this is not the proper reflector for that purpose.  So
perchance you should take your argument elsewhere.

 

I don't think anything more needs to be said on the subject.

 

73

 

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From: ragnar otterstad [mailto:la...@yahoo.no] 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:37 PM
To: wn3...@verizon.net; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW

 

No need to print cards.  just immediately upload to LOTW  IMHO

 

73  rag

 

 

 

 

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Fra: Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net
Til: la...@yahoo.no; dx-chat@njdxa.org 
Sendt: Mandag, 19. desember 2011 23.53
Emne: RE: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW

 

Rag:

 

I'm looking at the ST0R web site right now, and under QSL Information (see
http://www.dxfriends.com/SouthernSudan2011/qsl.php ) they make NO mention
whatsoever of ANY donation needed for a LotW upload.

 

They ask for an SAE and enough IRC's to cover the return postage, nothing
unreasonable, and also explicitly state that they will also return cards via
the bureau if you choose not to include sufficient return postage / IRC's.

 

Now if you want to get picky, they also state on that page that donors who
contribute above a certain $ amount can email the manager directly with
their QSO information for a card.  Are they giving special consideration to
those who donate?  You can make that argument.  You can also argue that
that's a courtesy to those who donate, a perk. not a demand for funds.

 

But that is hardly a cash cow, and they still have to print and mail the
cards.

 

So your argument is invalid.

 

Now if you're complaining about a different DXpedition, cite facts and don't
tie it to an ST0R thread.  It implies that they are doing something that the
facts show they are not.  

 

And if you really feel the need to libel this group, do it elsewhere.

 

From: ragnar otterstad [mailto:la...@yahoo.no] 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:41 PM
To: wn3...@verizon.net ; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW

 

With respect:

 

When you are asked to make a contribution to have your QSOs uploaded to
LOTW, what do you call that ?

 

73  Rag

 

 

 

 

Fra: Ron Notarius W3WN  wn3...@verizon.net 
Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org 
Sendt: Mandag, 19. desember 2011 22.04
Emne: RE: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW


Not this old canard again.

Nobody has to pay for a confirmation. 

Yes, I know there are individual cases where this has happened, that is not
an absolute statement. But NONE of these recent big DXpeditions have, so far
as I know, demanded renumeration in return for a confirmation.

Have they asked? Yes. Well, there are expenses. But no one has demanded
reimbursement, and in most cases, at best a DXpedition breaks even on
postage and printing costs for QSL cards.

If you don't want or need your card back quickly, wait on the bureau. Thus
it has been, thus it shall be.


73, ron w3wn


On 12/19/11, rag...@otterstad.dk wrote:



My thanks to the many people who responded to my request for info re ST0R
QSL's and LOTW credits. I appreciate your responses and info. 
John Owens - N7TK 
Celebrating over 50 Years in Ham Radio 
No. 1 Honor Roll 



It seems like some DXpeditions are turned into cashcows !

First we contribute individually or via our DX-club, then have to pay again
for confirmation ! I never thought this was going to be a business!

73 merry Xmas

Rag LA5HE ( since 1953 )


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RE: [DX-CHAT] What ever happened to FR5DX?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I worked FR5DX four times, all contest QSOs, between 1998  2000.  2 QSOs on
15, 2 on 20.  I QSL'd him once for each band  got those cards.  

According to my old notes, I did sent the requests using the via France
address.

So at least at the time, he was a good QSL'er.  

But I have to agree with Paul on this one.  It is very, very easy for us to
sit back and kvetch about the rotten DX that take our IRC's and Green Stamps
and never reply.  I've heard the same gripes about a good many DX stations,
including a well known, semi-rare  active V5 op, plus OD, FM, PZ; and much
more common ones in OA, PY, EA6, EA8, and many other areas as well. 

So how come I can get cards from those stations or those areas and others
can't?

I follow the mailing/routing directions when given.  I don't put calls on
the envelopes.  I use a manilla envelope (tough to see through) or security
envelopes.  And yes, I sometimes use WF5E for some of the tough ones, and
it's thanks to Joe W3HNK that I got my UA2 confirmations for 80 meters, even
though they weren't his clients.  

No, I don't get a 100% return.  Yes, there are stations who pocket the green
stamps or IRC's; yes, there are managers who demand reimbursement well over
 above what return postage  reasonable costs would cover.  

And yes, there are certain DX stations, including some in the tough areas,
who ought to use a QSL manager, but for a variety of reasons (including ego
 naivety for two) will not use one.

I'm not naive enough to deny that these things go on.  I'm just not ready to
use the broad brush so many use so readily to blame the DX so easily.

73

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Paul M Dunphy
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:15 PM
To: DX CHAT
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] What ever happened to FR5DX?


At 12:27 PM 12/2/2011, Jack Shirley wrote:

  FR5DZ knows him and told me he is still residing in Reunion. If you
hear him on, you may ask...

N8DX


 To be a bit positive, he was my first FR on a number of bands 
and I did get QSL cards from him for all contacts.  I recall all of 
the negativity, and I think I sent at least twice for some of 
them.  However, I do have FR5DX QSLs.  If I recall correctly, he was 
a police officer or in the militia . . . something to do with law and 
a uniform, anyhow.

 I also heard that one of the reasons he is now QRT is because of 
discussions like this.  Deserved or not, I heard he became disgusted 
with Ham radio because he was constantly being insulted left and 
right on the Internet for not QSLing.  Maybe the mail to/from 
Reunion, at the time, was rife with theft.  Maybe he was getting it 
all and only answering 1 out of 10.  We will never know.

73, Paul VE1DX  



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RE: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I was logged in to the server earlier this morning without a problem.

But I've seen the same thing from time to time.  Not usually a big deal.
Server may have hiccupped, there may be too many users logged in, there
could be an issue at the ISP.

However, considering today's a holiday, it may not get attention as fast as
it normally would.

Not to worry, though.

73, ron w3wn

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From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of
d...@optonline.net
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:03 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down?


Anyone else getting a fatal error message from the Logbook of the World 
server?

I keep getting the following response:

Fatal error: initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error): 
General database error [initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol 
error)]

This is happening in a web browser and also from within DXLab on another 
computer.  Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!

Mike, K2CD


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RE: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Just got home from tryptophan overload at the in-laws.

The good news is that LotW appears to be up again...

The bad news?  A too many users message.  But that will clear itself up in
time.

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Beaudet
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 7:24 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down?


Ditto here. I was logged in about 6AM, no problem. 
Just logged in again a few minutes ago at 00:20 UTC with no trouble. 
Let's hope it was just a case of short term overload. 

73, Bob W1YRC


-Original Message- 
From: Ron Notarius W3WN 
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:44 PM 
To: d...@optonline.net ; dx-chat@njdxa.org 
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down? 


I was logged in to the server earlier this morning without a problem.

But I've seen the same thing from time to time.  Not usually a big deal.
Server may have hiccupped, there may be too many users logged in, there
could be an issue at the ISP.

However, considering today's a holiday, it may not get attention as fast as
it normally would.

Not to worry, though.

73, ron w3wn

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of
d...@optonline.net
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:03 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down?


Anyone else getting a fatal error message from the Logbook of the World 
server?

I keep getting the following response:

Fatal error: initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error): 
General database error [initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol 
error)]

This is happening in a web browser and also from within DXLab on another 
computer.  Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!

Mike, K2CD


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Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] Up

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

The automated posts from several stations, such as W3LPL, are using their Skimmersetups toautomaticallypost spots to the RBN and the Cluster based on CQ calls received.I believe the software in use isdesigned to pick up the call, but not neccesarily otherinformation.Which proves that the astute amateur will LISTEN first BEFORE transmitting REGARDLESS of what a cluster or RBN spot says. Some of our less experienced brethern haven't figured that out yet. And some of them never will.73On 10/25/11, Crownhavencrownha...@bellsouth.net wrote:Hi Jim.best explanation so far. I wondered why the split info wasn't posted but I guess it is skimmer? Don't know much about it.Steve, N4JQQJim Reisert AD1C wrote: On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net wrote:  Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are using CW programs and can't actually copy CW??? I can't think of any other explanation. "Up" isn't hard to figure out. Or do they just not know how to use their radios??  I contend that it's the packet spots (just DX call and frequency) and nothing else. People blindly go to them and if they hear the DX, just start calling. W3LPL spots compound this problem because they *never* mention split operation. Here's an albeit pathological case from TX7M today - only 2/5 spots mention split frequency operation: SP7CXV 18077.8 TX7M lsn up-3 1607 25 Oct LX1DA 18077.7 TX7M QRM by F-Nino F6AML 1603 25 Oct IK6JOT 18077.0 TX7M QRMER VIGLIACCHI  1602 25 Oct SV2BOH 18077.7 TX7M over than qrm tks 1558 25 Oct OM3SX-@ 18077.7 TX7M up1 1551 25 Oct Also, many DX stations working a pileup rarely sign their call or mention "UP" between QSOs. TX7M was different in this regard, I heard one op send "TU UP" after each QSO. People forget they have VFOs. If they just tuned up the band a *little* before starting to call, they'd hear the pileup! 73 - Jim AD1C ---To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org---

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Clublog/Leaderboiard run AMOK??

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

As I said to a DX newsletter editor when this news broke the other day:Un - flippin' - believable.And "flippin" isn'texactly theprecise wording I had in mind, but this is a family reflector.There is a certain mentality running around our ranks these days of "win at any and all costs",combined with the pseudo-legalese of "if it's not expressly and specifically prohibited, it is by default allowed." This, sadly,is an extensionof that line of thought.That induhviduals would stoop solow as to take unethical (IMHO) and unsportsmanlike (IMHO) steps like these, merely to put themselves at the alleged top of the heap? Belittles them, and if we allow it, belittles us all.There is no excuse for this type of behavior, and if those who are doing it are caught, there should be sanctions. But they won't be caught, and even if they were, somehow the sanctions never do hold up.73On 10/23/11, Gary K9GSgaryk...@wi.rr.com wrote:snipSB DX @ WW KB8NW $OPDX.1033Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin No. 1033The Ohio/Penn DX PacketClusterDX Bulletin No. 1033BID: $OPDX.1033October 24, 2011Editor Tedd Mirgliotta, KB8NWProvided by BARF80.ORG (Cleveland, Ohio)* LEADERBOARD SCORING AT T32C: Michael/G7VJR and Marios/5B4WN from the"Club Log" web pagehttp://www.clublog.org report the following:"During the T32C expedition, a large number of stations have succeededin working the maximum number of slots possible, or share the same numberof slots as a large number of other stations. Using the 'first past thepost' scoring system, those who worked these slots first are rankedhighest. Duplicates count negatively.This scoring system has been manipulated by a small number of stationsoperating illegally. They have determined that by using someone else'scallsign and working T32C, they can create duplicates and force thatcallsign down the leaderboard.Ranking changes -- In response to this problem, the scoring system forthe T32C is changing to a ranking that does not penalize duplicate QSOs.This removes the loophole that is being exploited. This change will bemade live on 19th October, with the agreement of the T32C expeditionteam, to improve the fairness of the scoring."*I really thing this whole ClubLog/leaderboard thing has gotten out of hand.People are actually CHEATING to improve their scoresamazing.Thoughts??-- 73,Gary K9GSCheck out K9NS on the web: http://www.k9ns.comGreater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.orgSociety of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com---To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org---

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Re: [DX-CHAT] 4W6A Logs

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I understand that they're having some significant problems uploading to the Internet, but thatALLlogs are intact with them.Patience... I'm sure that everything will be uploaded correctly  in due course!73On 09/23/11, Crownhavencrownha...@bellsouth.net wrote:I'm noticing that QSOs that show up on their log on one day are gone the next. New ones are added and then they go away. Anyone seeing this problem with the 4W6A logs??Steve, N4JQQ---To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org---

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Honor Roll (ST0R and checkers) For information

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Why is this heated argument on someone else's list being dragged over to DX Chat?On 09/15/11, ragnar otterstadla...@yahoo.no wrote:Weall know the reason Lionel.  Some Dxers like to screw the "deserving" for everypenny they can, hence the upsurge in the $5 OQRS etc.  If dxpeditions cant be fundedwithou having to rely on a few hundred bucks from the QSL cards, then they shouldn'tgo ! It will be interesting to see what happens with the logs of T32C - will they or won't they?TomKL7/GM4FDMOn 15/09/2011 09:57, LPPS Ltd wrote: Of course Neil - rather than direct your comments to ARRL, who I understand do have the question of 160 Cards and Field Checking under consideration, would it not be better to have a concerted effort from all DXers to encourage, cajole, browbeat or demand that logs are uploaded to LoTW instantly - they seems very able to upload to ClubLog and various 'online' checking facilities to whet your appetite whilst the expeditions are in progress so why on earth do they not do theant  be funded gentlemanly thing and upload to LoTW as well - surely Neil, that's where your pressure should be exerted most - ARRL set up LoTW to make it easy for all of us to receive qsl confirmations swiftly and economically. That works fine - so exert your expertise with words to the expeditions themselves - perhaps even indirectly with our Clubs who generously sponsor them - this 6 month rule is ludicrous!! Same day please!! Lionel ZA/G5LP -Original Message- From: c...@yahoogroups.com mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com  [mailto:c...@yahoogroups.com mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil G0JHC Sent: 15 September 2011 07:10 To: c...@yahoogroups.com mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [CDXC] Re: Honor Roll (ST0R and checkers) When it arrives, It would be great if 679 of us didn't have to send our ST0R card off to Newington, and could use the UK checkers instead. One day you guys may be trusted to check them. Surely if it is a printed label I couldn't have moved the dot from 18MHz or doctored the card? Does anyone know the history of the 1.8MHz rule and who I would need to contact to begin a challenge of it? Neil G0JHC (ARRL member) From: c...@yahoogroups.com mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com  mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:c...@yahoogroups.com mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com  mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Lauriemar Sent: 15 September 2011 06:49 To: c...@yahoogroups.com mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com  mailto:CDXC%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CDXC] Re: Honor Roll A deleted country would not be counted on the Current list, so I assume this refers to the recent ST0R. Can't imagine how else K6ND would be ahead of everyone else, unless it's a mistake Laurie G3UML -Original Message- From: Dave Sergeant d...@davesergeant.com  mailto:dave%40davesergeant.com mailto:dave%40davesergeant.com mailto:dave%40davesergeant.com  To: cDXC c...@yahoogroups.com mailto:cDXC%40yahoogroups.com  mailto:cDXC%40yahoogroups.com mailto:cDXC%40yahoogroups.com  Sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 6:45 Subject: [CDXC] Re: Honor Roll Is this for 'Southern Sudan (deleted)' or 'Republic of South Sudan' hich ST0R would be? 73 Dave G3YMC On 14 Sep 2011 at 18:49, Lauriemar wrote:  This is all quite strange. The latest edition of the DXCC standings -- Sept 14th, 2011 -- has one single station on 341 current countries, K6ND. Everyone else at the top is still on 340. K6ND seems to have a South Sudan credit. ttp://www.davesergeant.com  Yahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/* Your email settings:  Individual Email | Traditional* To change settings online go to:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/join  (Yahoo! ID required)* To change settings via email:  cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com   cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:  http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/---To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org--- 

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian islands

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I wouldn't worry about it until and unless one of these actually gets built
in truly international waters  gets a population living on it.

Further considering though, purely as an intellectual exercise, the article
states that these will be floating islands.  Logically, that would make
them more akin to a huge ship maritime mobile... and if that is the case, it
wouldn't count under existing DXCC rules.

3 will get you 2 that they never get built though, for one reason or
another.

73

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From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:24 PM
To: dx-chat List
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian
islands


Silicon Valley billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian
islands:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/silicon-valley-billionaire-funding-creat
ion-artificial-libertarian-islands-140840896.html


I can't see how these could count for DXCC, but you never know...

-- 
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Re: [DX-CHAT] used stamps

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I have a local stamp collector who works with school kids interested in collecting, and she is always looking for contributions. Anything sent my way will be forwarded to her.She's a ham but she would prefer that I not mention her name or call. 73On 08/15/11, Harris Rubenn2...@arrl.net wrote:I've got a small bag full of cancelled foreign stamps collected over the past 25 years and would like to send them to a good cause. Suggestions?N2ERN---To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org---

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Re: [DX-CHAT] DXpedition calling practices

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

My observation is that going by the numbers has become less effective over time. When I only have a limited time in the shack on a given evening or afternoon, I don't see the point anymore in waiting out what is more often than not a futile effort.I've also observed that some of the best DXpedition ops -- Martti OH2BH for one stands out, but many others as well including many on this reflector (you know who you are) -- do two things to effectively manage the pile-ups over time:1. Call by regions, based on where propagation has opened -- and sticking to it. If they call "EU ONLY" or "NA ONLY" or "OC ONLY" then that's who they work. Period.2. Spread out the pileup. Don't just listen up 1 or 2, but listen up 1 to 5 (CW) or 5 to 10 (SSB). Find a frequency, work one or two people, then move up or down within the window. Sooner or later, everyone gets heard. Oh, and a #3  4 ought to go without saying:3. Ignore the deliberate QRM  jammers  frequency cops. Don't respond. Send "UP" or "listening up" often, and ignore anyone on your frequency. Not even give a humorous "Alpha Bravo, you're in the log" like 9K2ZZ used to do with "lass too" partial calls. 4. ID often. If not after every QSO, no more than every third. If someone realizes that you're not the droids they're looking for, they'll move on; if they waste time listening because the DX hasn't ID'd for 10 minutes, you end up with somoene annoyed or frustrated -- and they may take it out by turning into a jammer.73, ron w3wn

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RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Forgive me for being, ah, late to the party, but we were out of town for the
weekend (anyone want to see pictures of my grandson?) and I'm just now
getting caught up on my email.

 

We had to work Germany again, after the reunification?  I must have missed
the memo on that one.  I THOUGHT that since the former German Democratic
Republic (East) got absorbed into the existing Federal Republic of Germany
(West), for DXCC purposes, since the FRG survived, it still counts as the
same entity, even if we now simply refer to it as Germany.

 

So there's no reason to re-work the existing Sudan.  For precedent, look at
Serbia nee Yugoslavia.  As independence came to one, ah, component of
Yugoslavia after another, the new nations became new DXCC entities, but the
original entity remained - just smaller.

 

73, ron w3wn

 

  _  

From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Abercrombie
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 6:35 PM
To: DX-CHAT@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan

 

I remember when Germany-East and West was counted as one country. Then they
were counted as two and we had to work them both again. When they were
united , we worked Germany again.

I wonder if we are going to have to work both Sudans again.Only the DXAC
knows.


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RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

That's not what I said.  

 

There's no reason to rework SUDAN again.  But the new nation of Southern
Sudan (or whatever name the country ultimately ends up with) is not, for
DXCC purposes, the same entity as the now-deleted entity of the autonomous
region of Southern Sudan.  

 

The fact that there are current SUDAN stations using the prefix of ST0,
which at one time was generally in use in  recognized as the prefix of the
now defunct Southern Sudan, is irrelevant.

 

As they say at PNC Park Programs!  Programs!  You can't tell the players
without a program!  In other words, don't be misled by a prefix.

 

After all. would you consider a VR6 you worked today as a Pitcairn station
because only a few short years ago, it was the prefix for Pitcairn - but is
today the prefix assigned to Hong Kong?  Of course not, I hope!

 

73

 

  _  

From: Don Berger [mailto:dberger...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:49 PM
To: wn3...@verizon.net; DX-CHAT@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan

 

I'm confused - if there is no reason, as Ron explains, to work ST0 again,
why is NCDXF financially supporting a dx-pedition?

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Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] Sun's Spots Fading

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

That may well be Ryan, but a LITTLE propagation every now and then on the high bands is a good thing! (Especially the 2nd full weekend in December)Personally, I just want to complete 12 meter DXCC (about 30 confirms to go) before the band dies out completely again!73, ron w3wnOn 06/15/11, Ryan Jairamrjai...@gmail.com wrote:Call me crazy but I liked it better when sunspots were sparse. You really appreciated when some of the higher bands opened up. When 15 opened up the bands went crazy!Ryan, N2RJOn Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Zack Widup w9sz.z...@gmail.com wrote:Tweak up those low band antennas!73, Zack W9SZOn 6/15/11, Bill Hawkins bhw...@hughes.net wrote: I thought we just came out of that! Bill W5EC BREAKING - major AAS solar announcement: Sun's Fading Spots Signal Big Drop in Solar Activity The American Astronomical Society meeting in Los Cruces, NM has just made a major announcement on the state of the sun. Sunspots may be on the way out and an extended solar minimum may be on the horizon. From Space.com reporting from the conference: Some unusual solar readings, including fading sunspots and weakening magnetic activity near the poles, could be indications that our sun is preparing to be less active in the coming years. The results of three separate studies seem to show that even as the current sunspot cycle swells toward the solar maximum, the sun could be heading into a more-dormant period, with activity during the next 11-year sunspot cycle greatly reduced or even eliminated. Currently, the sun is in the midst of the period designated as Cycle 24 and is ramping up toward the cycle's period of maximum activity. However, the recent findings indicate that the activity in the next 11-year solar cycle, Cycle 25, could be greatly reduced. In fact, some scientists are questioning whether this drop in activity could lead to a second Maunder Minimum, which was a 70-year period from 1645 to 1715 when the sun showed virtually no sunspots. --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.orgIn the message body put eitherunsubscribe dx-chatorsubscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org- Ryan A. Jairam,---To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org--- 

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[DX-CHAT] Fwd: Fwd: High School Students Need Your Votes!

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Following message is being forwarded on behalf of Pat Palazzolo KB3NMS ex KA3WZP. If you can help her students out, it would be greatly appreciated.

73, ron w3wn-- Forwarded message --From: Palazzolo Pat ppalazz...@uscsd.k12.pa.usDate: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:10 AMSubject: High School Students Need Your Votes!To: wa...@yahoogroups.comHello, Everyone --

A team of my students has been having quite a "spacey" year! About this time last year, they were one of five teams to have their experiment flown to the stratosphereon a big weather balloon out of NASA-Glenn Research Center in Ohio.It was exciting to chase it with our amazing ham volunteer -- and to find it intact in a cornfield! The kids were so inspired by that great hands-on technology adventure that they entered another competition and ended up as one of the top ten teams in SPHERES. (This was a programming competition run by NASA and MIT-- i.e., programming "nanosats" to move around inside the International Space Station. So, our team was one of the ones that had the ISS commander actually use their program on board.)

Now, the same group of kids is one of the national finalist teams for a competition called the Conrad "Spirit of Innovation" Awards. Their innovation -- called the Perpetual Harvest Space Nutrition System -- is basically a bioreactor that recycles human waste into nutrition and is designed for long-duration space tavel.. This competition is part technology/part entrepreneurship. 10% of the final score comes from votes received in a "people's choice" onlne vote -- and today is the last day to vote! In addition, the team that receives the greatest number of "likes" on its Facebook page will get a special tour of Facebook HQ when we're out in Silicon Valley for the final summit and competition. (We head out to NASA-Ames at 4 AM!)

As much as I am excited to travel to the summit with my students, it's killing me that I have a VIP invitation to be at the upcoming shuttle launch thanks to a former student who is now high up at NASA HQ. . . and can't go to it due to this Conrad Awards contest.This is Pittsburgh's own Mike Fincke's launch -- the astronaut with whom you made such a spectaularly successful contact for us back in 2004's ARISS (not to mention all the other high profile things about this launch.) The original launch date was April 19 -- but a fuss with the Russians regarding docking the shuttle and Progress at the same time resulted in the date change. So, now -- because the airlines will not let you transfer a ticket to another person -- I have to go to NASA-Ames with my current students, rather than to the launch at the invitation of my former student. But -- perhaps that is as it should be . . . the kids I have now are the "next generation" and the future of aerospace.
So, this is where you come in . . .if any of you and anyone you know might be willing to vote for our team today (which is one of only two Pennsylvania teams that made it to the Finals) . . . here's what to do:

To vote for "Team Ouroboros" (named after the mythological snake that consumed itself starting with its tail -- a symbol of things "perpetual") -- go to www.conradawards.org  and click on "Teams" in the menu bar at the top. Then click on "Vote" next to "Ouroboros" in the "Aerospace" Division. 

To also help us with the Facebook tour contest, go to www.facebook.com/teamouroborosand click on "like." 

Any help at all would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Pat
--Patricia PalazzoloGifted Education Coordinator, 7 - 12Upper St. Clair High School1825 McLaughlin Run Rd.Upper St. Clair, PA 15241412-833-1600, ext. 2522

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[DX-CHAT] Dayton, U Of

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Just curious.

 

Anyone else planning on staying at the University of Dayton dorms this year
for Hamvention?

 

Be nice to get together and shoot the breeze with some fellow DX'ers.
especially over wings and such around the corner!

 

73, ron w3wn



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Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I think we need an investigative journalist to find out WHY Fish  Wildlife staff for the Caribbean has ben so against ANYONE not with the agency ever officiallylanding on "their" islands.

One wonders if they are covering something up, or merely... overly enthusiastic, if not zealous,about doing their jobs.

There's been innuendo for years about how some of the staff uses the islands for their own purposesMar 2, 2011 07:18:43 AM, rjai...@gmail.com wrote:
There was an attempt to get Congress to open up KP1/5 but the billdied in committee. That is one avenue to pursue if we can't persuadeFWS but it needs enough support.__Ryan, N2RJVia iPhoneOn Mar 1, 2011, at 11:23 PM, Zack Widup <w9sz.z...@gmail.com>wrote: I keep hoping a big-time DXpedition can make it to Bouvet some day. I didn't work Chuck Brady and I didn't work the last operation there. It's one of the six I still haven't worked. :-( 73, Zack W9SZ On 3/1/11, Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3...@verizon.net>wrote: (Moving discussion to DX Chat) Cedric, When the US Fish  Wildlife Service decided to permit the Desecheo operation, the impression left was that groups would be permitted to land on  operate from both Desecheo and Navassa every few years. A lot of this going forward was dependent on how well the entire Desecheo operation went. As far as I know, it went well. But we are dealing with government bureaucrats who have their own standards and their own way of doing things. So all we can do is be patient and wait for FWS to decide if  when to let the group go to Navassa. 73 -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Jairam Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:30 AM To: aishwarya1...@gmail.com Cc: dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] Bouvet and Navassa Hi Cedric! Bouvet was actually on air in 2008 (3Y0E). The op was a brand new ham by the name of Petrus. He was a very weak signal on 20m phone but workable from here. I haven't heard of anything else since then. Desecheo was a couple of years ago too but news about Navassa has been pretty much slim to none. My guess is that activating Navassa would be significantly more difficult than Desecheo. Here is the website of the group that did KP5 - http://www.kp1-5.com/news.html 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Aishwarya <aishwarya1...@gmail.com>wrote: Hello, There are the 2 last one I need for my DXCC. Does anybody know if there is a DXpedition planned to these entities? I remember that a few years ago a group was planning a trip to Bouvet but posponed it due to work on the island by the norvegian authorities. For KP1 (Navassa) I didn't hear anything. Maybe the group who activated KP5 is trying to put KP1 on the air :-) 73, Cedric HB9HFN http://www.hb9hfn.ch --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam, --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org---

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

 
(Moving discussion to DX Chat)

Cedric,

When the US Fish  Wildlife Service decided to permit the Desecheo
operation, the impression left was that groups would be permitted to land on
 operate from both Desecheo and Navassa every few years.

A lot of this going forward was dependent on how well the entire Desecheo
operation went.  As far as I know, it went well.

But we are dealing with government bureaucrats who have their own standards
and their own way of doing things.  So all we can do is be patient and wait
for FWS to decide if  when to let the group go to Navassa.

73

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Jairam
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:30 AM
To: aishwarya1...@gmail.com
Cc: dx-n...@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] Bouvet and Navassa

Hi Cedric!

Bouvet was actually on air in 2008 (3Y0E). The op was a brand new ham
by the name of Petrus. He was a very weak signal on 20m phone but
workable from here.  I haven't heard of anything else since then.

Desecheo was a couple of years ago too but news about Navassa has been
pretty much slim to none. My guess is that activating Navassa would be
significantly more difficult than Desecheo. Here is the website of the
group that did KP5 - http://www.kp1-5.com/news.html

73
Ryan, N2RJ

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Aishwarya aishwarya1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 There are the 2 last one I need for my DXCC.

 Does anybody know if there is a DXpedition planned to these entities? I
 remember that a few years ago a group was planning a trip to Bouvet but
 posponed it due to work on the island by the norvegian authorities.

 For KP1 (Navassa) I didn't hear anything. Maybe the group who activated
KP5
 is trying to put KP1 on the air :-)

 73, Cedric HB9HFN
 http://www.hb9hfn.ch



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Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: [DX-NEWS] VK9C/G6AY interference (OT)

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Well, don't be surprised if a few of those stations tell you to MYOB. With a few choice epithets thrown in.

I've found that the worst practioners don't really care what you think, or what anyone else thinks. They're in it for themselves, win place  show, and the heck with you.Feb 23, 2011 02:19:44 PM, w9sz.z...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm moving this discussion to DX-CHAT.Even in the ARRL CW DX contest last weekend I heard a DX stationsending "N2D? N2D??" and a W5 kept calling. W5 isn't even close to N2Din CW sound.There is no excuse for it. I don't understand it, either, but then Idon't do it. Maybe you'd have to ask someone who does it, but no onehas come forth on this list or any other DX list I'm on to say "I doit and the reason is ..." Therefore I can assume that (a) No one onthese DX lists does it; or (b) they know it's wrong but keep doing itanyway; hence, they are unwilling to admit it.One of these days I am going to just sit and make a list of all thestations I hear doing this, and try to hunt down e-mail addresses forthem. Then I will send each an e-mail inquiring why they do it. Theresponses should be very telling.73, Zack W9SZOn Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Glenn Wyant wrote: Paul., I sat here listening the pileup , copc etc etc One thing that struck me was the amount of people who never stop calling. The VK9 answered a VE2 at one point , I listened up in the pileup and hundreds just started calling again. If fact they did this no matter who the VK9 responded to ... Did there code readers malfunction ? , perhaps they couldn't copy him ( why then call ?? ) ... these where not isolated incidents .. I listened to a strong N4 just call everytime the VK9 stood by... , this behaviour was not isolated to NA but Europe as well It makes me wonder if he didnt answer you , then why are these people calling ??? I can think of no excuse for this ... Glenn VA3DX Paul VE1DX said : - I will not interfere with the DX station nor anyone calling and will never tune up on the DX frequency or in the QSX slot.  I think I'd even simplify it more to "I will never transmit on the DX's frequency during a split operation. Ever."  VK9C/G6AY was on both 14.025 and 18.072 today. On both bands there was constant bedlam for at least a half an hour on their TX frequency. All the usual stuff. UP UP UP, LID LID LID, IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT, plus 37 guys calling them simplex, and of course the ubiquitous tuners. They sent UP after every QSO, and the DX Cluster spots indicated QSX UP.  They were S1-S3 and workable, but you simply couldn't hear hardly a dit most of the time because the S9+ guys were doing the above. This is nothing new, but it seems extremely bad today. Did the VK9C/G6AY guy(s) do something to infuriate the hordes? The few times they had a 30-second window of no QRM, they seemed to be good OPs.  Don't transmit on their frequency. So simple. Yet so many do. Sigh . . . 73, Paul VE1DX --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org---

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Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] Continuous callers

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I noticed a few of those during the contest. What I found interesting is that it would be an almost continuous, non-stop CQ for a few minutes (most 4 -5, some as many as 10)... and then all of a sudden, there'd be a pause and then they'd hear and work you.

Let's call this what it is: A sneaky, underhanded, and unsportsmanlike method to "hold" a frequency, while the station goes elsewhere to work a few mults... or go to the bathroom, answer the phone,or grab a drink or whatever.

Sorry. If you have to leave, leave. You have no guarantee the frequency will be clear, but that is (or should be) the risk you take. And if the frequency is occupied when you return, whatever the reason, tough. First come, first served. Nobody owns a frequency.

Someone earlier mentioned to me the sense of "entitlement." You are not "entitled" to a frequency. QRO or QRP, big gun, little pistol, or squirt gun... if the frequency is in use because someone heard it open up when you left, them's the breaks.

And I do believe, in the US at least, a near-continuous transmission like this may be in violation of the FCC rules on one way transmissions. Although I'd check on that before saying so with authority. Not that anyone ever listens to me...

73Feb 23, 2011 04:05:29 PM, cwd...@gmail.com wrote:

Nobody has addressed the opposite side of the coin: Incessant callers calling CQ TEST  without giving a chance forpeople wanting a qsoto break their non-stop calling.. those are also annoying... 
I also "enjoyed" the 65 WPM callers? Who were they trying to catch? The skimmers? 

73 de HK3CW Rob 

- Original Message - 
From: Duane, WV2B 
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Continuous callers

Why notstart recording some of them and post the clips on a website?


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Re: [DX-CHAT] [Fwd: 70 Yeman (sorta)]

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Just what I saw in The Daily DX this morning.

Many have tried to operate from Yemen in recent times. Few have succeeded. Fewer have made more than a handful of contacts. I wish nothing but success on anyone trying, but considering all the politics and past history, I can't say I'd blame them for playing it a little close to the chest.

We will hear in due course. If there is ever anything to hear. I hope there is.

73, ron w3wnFeb 23, 2011 04:25:03 PM, k4...@arrl.net wrote:
Any one have anything on this?
Several months ago rumors were floating around about a group planning to operate from Socotra Island (AF-028). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socotra_IslandIn case you aren't familiarThose not familiar with IOTA Socotra Island counts as Yemen (7O) for DXCC purposes! It now appears that the rumor of a group planning to go may be true as someone has posted a Website http://7o7s.de/. 
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RE: [DX-CHAT] Continuous callers

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

With all due respect Ryan, I'm not convinced.  Consider:

 

Why send a CQ?  To solicit someone to answer you.  That is a perfectly
acceptable, and legal, one way transmission. you don't know who is going to
call you, but your intent is that someone answer you back.  And just as
obviously, sending CQ TEST in a contest is also saying that you are IN the
contest and are soliciting contacts FOR the purpose of adding them to your
contest log.  Right?

 

Someone sending CQ TEST continuously, without pausing to listen?  And that's
the key here, without pausing to listen.  That's merely a one way
transmission. a broadcast.  Announcing who you are, but falsely (at least at
the moment in question) soliciting contests.  And I say falsely because
the transmitting station is NOT answering anyone. deliberately.

 

Is this in violation of the rules regarding prohibited transmissions?
Technically, maybe not.  As a practical matter?  Considering the intent of
the transmission?  Questionable at best.  

 

However. I'm not a lawyer, let alone a communications lawyer.  However, my
lawyer is.  He'll be sharing my table at the club hamfest on Sunday, so I
can discuss it with him.  Since Mike is an inactive contester, he has more
than a little insight into the matter!

 

Legalisms aside. there is the issue of ethics.  Is it ethical, even if it is
legal, to hold a frequency for minutes, or even hours, by continuously
transmitting a fake CQ TEST while you go off and do other things?  I'm not
talking about contest rules, either.  I'm talking about good amateur
practice.  That is, after all, what we contesters are supposed to be doing,
as we demonstrate our operating skills, right?

 

IMHO, confiscating a frequency for a lengthy period of time, just to hold
it, deprives other operators the chance to use that frequency.  Instead of
doing something positive to boost your score, at best, you hurt the
opportunities of the other operators. both those you are directly competing
against in your entry category, and potentially anyone else in the contest
as well.

 

I can't see how that could possibly be considered ethical.  It strikes me as
anything but.

 

Just because something is legal, within the strict confines of the laws of
the land and the rules of the contest, doesn't make it right.

 

And that's something too many contesters seem to have forgotten.

 

73, ron w3wn

 

  _  

From: Ryan Jairam [mailto:rjai...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:17 PM
To: wn3...@verizon.net
Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Continuous callers

 

No Ron, it is not a violation of Part 97, specifically 97.113. Perfectly
legal and not a violation of any contest rules either. Some Other countries
do have limits on transmission length though but even those are akin to blue
laws since they were designed for the cw only era. It may violate control op
rules if the op steps away.

Is it unethical? My opinion is maybe. but no rules broken, FCC or
otherwise.

__

Ryan, N2RJ

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On Feb 23, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net wrote:

 

I noticed a few of those during the contest. What I found interesting is
that it would be an almost continuous, non-stop CQ for a few minutes (most 4
-5, some as many as 10)... and then all of a sudden, there'd be a pause and
then they'd hear and work you.

Let's call this what it is: A sneaky, underhanded, and unsportsmanlike
method to hold a frequency, while the station goes elsewhere to work a few
mults... or go to the bathroom, answer the phone, or grab a drink or
whatever.

Sorry. If you have to leave, leave. You have no guarantee the frequency will
be clear, but that is (or should be) the risk you take. And if the frequency
is occupied when you return, whatever the reason, tough. First come, first
served. Nobody owns a frequency.

Someone earlier mentioned to me the sense of entitlement. You are not
entitled to a frequency. QRO or QRP, big gun, little pistol, or squirt
gun... if the frequency is in use because someone heard it open up when you
left, them's the breaks.

And I do believe, in the US at least, a near-continuous transmission like
this may be in violation of the FCC rules on one way transmissions. Although
I'd check on that before saying so with authority. Not that anyone ever
listens to me...

73

Feb 23, 2011 04:05:29 PM, cwd...@gmail.com wrote:

 

Nobody has addressed the opposite side of the coin: Incessant callers
calling CQ TEST  without giving a chance for people wanting a qso to
break their non-stop calling.. those are also annoying... 

I also enjoyed the 65 WPM callers? Who were they trying to catch? The
skimmers? 

73 de HK3CW Rob 

- Original Message - 

From: Duane, WV2B 

To: dx-chat@njdxa.org 

Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:19 PM

Subject: [DX-CHAT] Continuous callers

 

 

Why notstart recording some of them and post the clips on a website?

To know even one life has breathed easier because you have

RE: [DX-CHAT] Continuous callers

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

 
Just so that we're clear on what I'm talking about...

Yes, there is often a short pause.  Key word there is short.  I know I
observed at least 3 stations (2 EU 1 NA) who had a brief pause before the CQ
machine started up again... about enough for a character or two.

Now one can argue that maybe the station didn't hear me, and in my own case,
I will concede as much, since I'm running 100 W into a vertical.  But I
wasn't the only one calling.  And for every station I heard calling the, ah,
gentlemen in question... there could conceivably be another dozen who I
can't hear, due to the vagaries of propagation -- but the CQ'ing station may
have.

Oh, the fact that non-contesters also do this is just as wrong.  

Further... Now I don't know the entry classes, and won't until the results
come out in a few months.  But if, for the sake of argument, one of these
continual CQ'ers is entering as a Single Op... and as you said, is
actually mult-hunting, or trying to work others on another band... he (or
she) would clearly be in violation of the rules.  This situation is not an
SO2R situation, where someone is listening on 2 radios at once but only
transmitting on one... this is transmitting simultaneously on 2 bands.  I
can't think of ANY contest where this is permitted.  And please, no
hair-splitting on the finer points of SO2R... because again, this is a
situation where one transmitter is simply transmitting, no one is (at the
moments in question) listening.

In short... Sending a long CQ is one thing.  It may be inefficient, and not
in your best interests, but that's still one thing.  Transmitting a long
string of CQ's, not listening for callers, and doing so solely to hold a
frequency until you get around to operating on that band?  That's something
else altogether.

Oh, if that AM'er is the person I think you're thinking of... frankly, I'll
take your word for it, I don't know what his personal habits are...
especially on the air!

73

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Jairam [mailto:rjai...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 8:40 PM
To: wn3...@verizon.net
Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Continuous callers

Believe it or not while you hear continuous calling, I hear a short
pause in between. I send out my call and they usually come back. So
I'm not entirely convinced that people simply leave the computer CQing
and don't listen.

I've heard very long CQ calls from other many non-contest ops too. A
certain AM op that you and I both know does this regularly on 40m
7.160.

So I'm not entirely convinced it's illegal either.

Like I said, it *MAY* be unethical in a contest.  But it's not against
the rules of any contest I know of to send long CQs and not against
the FCC rules as far as I can tell.  Even if you CQ for a very long
time you are still soliciting contacts, not broadcasting.  There is no
time limit on a CQ, at least not in the USA.

Working mults while holding the freq CQing *is* against contest rules
in many contests for single op as you are allowed only one transmitted
signal at a time.

73
Ryan, N2RJ

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net
wrote:

 With all due respect Ryan, I’m not convinced.  Consider:



 Why send a CQ?  To solicit someone to answer you.  That is a perfectly
 acceptable, and legal, one way transmission… you don’t know who is going
to
 call you, but your intent is that someone answer you back.  And just as
 obviously, sending CQ TEST in a contest is also saying that you are IN the
 contest and are soliciting contacts FOR the purpose of adding them to your
 contest log.  Right?



 Someone sending CQ TEST continuously, without pausing to listen?  And
that’s
 the key here, “without pausing to listen.”  That’s merely a one way
 transmission… a broadcast.  Announcing who you are, but falsely (at least
at
 the moment in question) soliciting contests.  And I say “falsely” because
 the transmitting station is NOT answering anyone… deliberately.



 Is this in violation of the rules regarding prohibited transmissions?
 Technically, maybe not.  As a practical matter?  Considering the intent of
 the transmission?  Questionable at best.



 However… I’m not a lawyer, let alone a communications lawyer.  However, my
 lawyer is.  He’ll be sharing my table at the club hamfest on Sunday, so I
 can discuss it with him.  Since Mike is an inactive contester, he has more
 than a little insight into the matter!



 Legalisms aside… there is the issue of ethics.  Is it ethical, even if it
is
 legal, to “hold” a frequency for minutes, or even hours, by continuously
 transmitting a fake CQ TEST while you go off and do other things?  I’m not
 talking about contest rules, either.  I’m talking about good amateur
 practice.  That is, after all, what we contesters are supposed to be
doing,
 as we demonstrate our operating skills, right?



 IMHO, confiscating a frequency for a lengthy period of time, just to hold
 it, deprives other operators the chance

Re: [DX-CHAT] dx cluster usage

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

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Re: [DX-CHAT] dx cluster usage

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I really hate Verizon web mail sometimes... let's try that one again:


I don't know what's going on with this on the other email sources, but do we 
really need to hop into the middle of someone else's argument?
 
73, ron w3wn


Feb 8, 2011 04:46:10 AM, la...@yahoo.no wrote:

A DX Cluster Code of Ethics: now that has legs Andy 

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RE: [DX-CHAT] QSL's

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

The hold-up is that Logbook of the World hasn't been updated for the new
PJ entities yet.

 

Which won't happen until the 2010 backlog on DXCC applications is taken care
of.

 

As the League has been saying for weeks if not months.

 

Further, don't expect it for awhile.  I know the League at one point was
hoping to have caught up by now, but at the moment, I wouldn't expect it
until the end of February or the beginning of March.

 

Don't blame the League.  Blame the number of DXCC applications submitted.  I
see some in the queue online
(http://www.arrl.org/dxcc-applications-received) that date to the beginning
of October.  My own 40 meter app was submitted (officially) on November 11th
(just after the WACOM hamfest, where they were field checked) and at that
time, the wait was approximately 8 weeks.  Obviously that has changed.

 

It can't hurt to ask for some of the direct cards, most of those are out by
now or will be out soon.  

 

LotW will come.  Hang in there a little longer.

 

73, ron w3wn

 

  _  

From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Abercrombie
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 5:11 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] QSL's

 

I've gotten QSL's from W3HNK for the PJ4 guys and from direct to PJ7, but |
have been holding on for PJ2 and PJ5,6 cards sent direct.  I know some said
not to send cards because they would QSL via LOTW. None have shown up on
LOTW. I wonder what the hold-up is.

Jim


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RE: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

All right guys, let's not lose our tempers over this.
 
The original subject line was a little whimsical, and the article indicated was 
a serious problem.  
 
And yes, it is of some interest to DX'ers since it involves, potentially, the 
literal submergence of some if not all of the islands of a DXCC entity in the 
not very distant future.
 
But let's not get into the alleged science of global warming and the related 
political arguments therein.  Those arguments are not directly related to 
amateur radio in general or DX'ing in particular.  More importantly, when the 
tempers start to flare over things like this, there is a great risk of matters 
getting out of hand.
 
Let's keep it civil... or take it off-line, OK?
 
73, ron w3wn
administrator, dx chat

Dec 8, 2010 01:58:03 AM, ve...@sasktel.net wrote:


Everyone is entitled to their opinion. In my opinion the
United States of America can do essentially nothing to effect
climate change/global warming. Haven't you heard ... this
supposed global warming caused my man made CO2 emissions is a
scam. I repeat ... scam, fraud. Man made emissions effect on
climate change is a paltry 0.25%. Besides, India and China
are the big polluters. Ignorance can be fixed, but you can't
fix stupid.

Doug

Those Island days are always on my mind,
Someday soon I leave it all behind


-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of
Jim Reisert AD1C
Sent: December 7, 2010 6:26 PM
To: DX CHAT
Subject: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it
still a country?


Editorial (New York Times)
The Urgent Islands
Published: August 29, 2010

If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country?
That is a
question about which the Republic of the Marshall Islands - a
Micronesian nation of 29 low-lying coral atolls - is now
seeking
expert legal advice. It is also a question the United States
Senate
might ask itself the next time it refuses to deal with climate
change.

According to the world's leading scientists, sea-level rise is
one of
the greatest dangers of global warming, threatening not only
islands
but coastal cities like New Orleans and even entire countries
like
Bangladesh.

In 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
conservatively
predicted a 20-inch sea-level rise by the end of this century
if
current trends were not reversed. Because of various
uncertainties,
its calculations excluded the melting of the Greenland and
West
Antarctica ice sheets. Some academic studies have suggested
that rises
of four to seven feet are not out of the question.

Officials in the Marshall Islands - where a 20-inch rise would
drown
at least one atoll - are not only thinking about the
possibility of
having to move entire populations but are entertaining even
more
existential questions: If its people have to abandon the
islands, what
citizenship can they claim? Will the country still have a seat
at the
United Nations? Who owns its fishing rights and offshore
mineral
resources?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/opinion/30mon4.html

-- 
Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us




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Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Do we really want to make a Las Vegas casino an entity in it's own right?
 
I mean, I know Vegas can be a world into and of itself, but stilll...

73, ron w3wn


Dec 8, 2010 08:57:02 AM, t...@gm4fdm.com wrote:


Cor,  if its still a country can we ressurrect Atlantis??


Tom
GM4FDM

On 08/12/2010 13:18, Don Berger wrote: 

There isn't one factual statement in the message below nor has it anything to 
do with DX, ham radio, electronics, etc. Does anyone filter this crap? 
Don 
K1VSK 
- Original Message - From: Doug 
To: ; 'DX CHAT' 
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:32 AM 
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a 
country? 




Everyone is entitled to their opinion.  In my opinion the 
United States of America can do essentially nothing to effect 
climate change/global warming.  Haven't you heard ... this 
supposed global warming caused my man made CO2 emissions is a 
scam.  I repeat ... scam, fraud.  Man made emissions effect on 
climate change is a paltry 0.25%.  Besides, India and China 
are the big polluters.  Ignorance can be fixed, but you can't 
fix stupid. 

Doug 

Those Island days are always on my mind, 
Someday soon I leave it all behind 


-Original Message- 
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of 
Jim Reisert AD1C 
Sent: December 7, 2010 6:26 PM 
To: DX CHAT 
Subject: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it 
still a country? 


Editorial (New York Times) 
The Urgent Islands 
Published: August 29, 2010 

If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country? 
That is a 
question about which the Republic of the Marshall Islands - a 
Micronesian nation of 29 low-lying coral atolls - is now 
seeking 
expert legal advice. It is also a question the United States 
Senate 
might ask itself the next time it refuses to deal with climate 
change. 

According to the world's leading scientists, sea-level rise is 
one of 
the greatest dangers of global warming, threatening not only 
islands 
but coastal cities like New Orleans and even entire countries 
like 
Bangladesh. 

In 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 
conservatively 
predicted a 20-inch sea-level rise by the end of this century 
if 
current trends were not reversed. Because of various 
uncertainties, 
its calculations excluded the melting of the Greenland and 
West 
Antarctica ice sheets. Some academic studies have suggested 
that rises 
of four to seven feet are not out of the question. 

Officials in the Marshall Islands - where a 20-inch rise would 
drown 
at least one atoll - are not only thinking about the 
possibility of 
having to move entire populations but are entertaining even 
more 
existential questions: If its people have to abandon the 
islands, what 
citizenship can they claim? Will the country still have a seat 
at the 
United Nations? Who owns its fishing rights and offshore 
mineral 
resources? 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/opinion/30mon4.html 

-- 
Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us 




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Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Again, as I posted about an hour ago, this is getting political and tempers are 
flaring.
 
Global warming and similarly politically correct science is out of bounds for 
this reflector.  
 
It may be OK elsewhere, but not here. 
 
Tempers are starting to flare, and I'm already getting a few PM's about it.  
Let's stop this before it goes any further, OK?

73, ron w3wn
administrator, dx chat


Dec 8, 2010 10:11:00 AM, w...@subich.com wrote:



 There isn't one factual statement

Talk about lack of facts - these are facts that the media
and Global Warming alarmists simply ignore since they are not
easy to explain away and disprove the hypothesis concerning a
correlation between human development and global temperatures,

1) Atmospheric CO2 levels are lower than the average level
through geologic time (fact).
2) If atmospheric CO2 levels caused global warming we would
be in an ice age as CO2 levels are currently lower than
in either of the last two major ice ages
3) Global temperatures have shown far greater swings through
geologic history - *before* industrialization and urbanization
- than the cumulative two or three degrees C over two to
three decades that the Global Warming Alarmists are obsessing
over.
4) The largest contribution to increases in global CO2 levels
has been in deforestation in the developing world - China,
India, Brazil and large parts of Africa.
5) NASA space based global temperature records show less than
1 C change in nearly 30 years of data.

 Does anyone filter this crap?

Don't like it? Don't contribute to the fiction ... otherwise use
your delete key.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 12/8/2010 8:18 AM, Don Berger wrote:

 There isn't one factual statement in the message below nor has it
 anything to do with DX, ham radio, electronics, etc. Does anyone filter
 this crap?
 Don
 K1VSK
 - Original Message - From: Doug 
 To: ; 'DX CHAT' 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:32 AM
 Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a
 country?



 Everyone is entitled to their opinion. In my opinion the
 United States of America can do essentially nothing to effect
 climate change/global warming. Haven't you heard ... this
 supposed global warming caused my man made CO2 emissions is a
 scam. I repeat ... scam, fraud. Man made emissions effect on
 climate change is a paltry 0.25%. Besides, India and China
 are the big polluters. Ignorance can be fixed, but you can't
 fix stupid.

 Doug

 Those Island days are always on my mind,
 Someday soon I leave it all behind


 -Original Message-
 From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of
 Jim Reisert AD1C
 Sent: December 7, 2010 6:26 PM
 To: DX CHAT
 Subject: [DX-CHAT] If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it
 still a country?


 Editorial (New York Times)
 The Urgent Islands
 Published: August 29, 2010

 If a country sinks beneath the sea, is it still a country?
 That is a
 question about which the Republic of the Marshall Islands - a
 Micronesian nation of 29 low-lying coral atolls - is now
 seeking
 expert legal advice. It is also a question the United States
 Senate
 might ask itself the next time it refuses to deal with climate
 change.

 According to the world's leading scientists, sea-level rise is
 one of
 the greatest dangers of global warming, threatening not only
 islands
 but coastal cities like New Orleans and even entire countries
 like
 Bangladesh.

 In 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
 conservatively
 predicted a 20-inch sea-level rise by the end of this century
 if
 current trends were not reversed. Because of various
 uncertainties,
 its calculations excluded the melting of the Greenland and
 West
 Antarctica ice sheets. Some academic studies have suggested
 that rises
 of four to seven feet are not out of the question.

 Officials in the Marshall Islands - where a 20-inch rise would
 drown
 at least one atoll - are not only thinking about the
 possibility of
 having to move entire populations but are entertaining even
 more
 existential questions: If its people have to abandon the
 islands, what
 citizenship can they claim? Will the country still have a seat
 at the
 United Nations? Who owns its fishing rights and offshore
 mineral
 resources?

 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/opinion/30mon4.html

 --
 Jim Reisert AD1C, , http://www.ad1c.us




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RE: [DX-CHAT] Deleted DXCC entities

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

 
Deleted entities do not count towards Honor Roll.  Honor Roll is the top 10
of active entities, not all entities.

I believe they count for everything else, since they were active entities at
the time you worked them.

Since we know that the two entities that comprise the existing Netherlands
Antilles will cease to exist on 10 October, when the NA will undergo
political change and essentially disappear as a political entity... work 'em
now and fill in those band  mode slots!

73, ron w3wn


From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Larry Van Horn
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:42 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Deleted DXCC entities

I have a dumb question and since I haven't used my daily allotment yet,
guess I can fire away. ;-)))
 
With the upcoming Neth Antilles breakup and those old countries to be
deleted, after they have been deleted, can you still submit those deleted
countries the the DXCC desk for credit to your account as deleted counties?
Hope that makes sense.
 
73 de Larry
 
Larry Van Horn, N5FPW
Brasstown, NC USA
MT Assistant/Review/Technical Editor
Milcom/What's New/First Look Columnist
Milcom Monitoring Post at
http://mt-milcom.blogspot.com/



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RE: [DX-CHAT] Deleted DXCC entities

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I think the limitation on deleted entities being checked only at HQ was
lifted, as was the no older than 10 years rule on cards, a short time ago.


 

I will defer a definitive answer on that to the resident DXCC card checker
on the reflector.  Considering that when he was kind enough to stop by here
and check my 20 meter cards, and it included some deleted entities. and they
all passed muster. I'm pretty sure I'm on safe ground here.

 

(BTW Steve, any idea when you're visiting your aunt next?  I'm gathering my
40 meter cards as it is.)

 

73, ron w3wn

 

  _  

From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Beaudet
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 4:46 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted DXCC entities

 

Larry, 

You must submit deleted entity QSLs to ARRL for checking, not to a Field
Checker but as Tom says, 

they all count toward your overall total. Deleted entity QSLs may be
submitted at any time. There's no 

rush to get the PJs turned in before 10-10-10. 

 

73, Bob W1YRC

 

From: yardmast...@att.net 

Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 3:49 PM

To: prvs=18853767d8=n5...@brmemc.net ; dx-chat@njdxa.org 

Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted DXCC entities

 

 

Larry, you can still submit any deleted country, and it will count toward
your overall total. It will NOT count toward your honor roll status or
toward the challenge.

 

HTH

 

Tom N4TJ


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RE: [DX-CHAT] QSL reflector

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

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From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of
yardmast...@att.net
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 10:15 AM
To: CHAT
Subject: [DX-CHAT] QSL reflector


I just changed ISPs and seem to have lost the link to the QSL reflector. Can

anyone help 



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[DX-CHAT] 20 M DXCC Received Today

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

In today's mail came confirmation from the League that my 20 meter DXCC has
been processed.  

All things considered, that's pretty good time.  Our own Steve #1 (of Three
Steves  a Kurt fame) KF2TI field checked them for me the Saturday before
Dayton, although he wasn't able to mail them until he returned home.  And
our mail was held for a week while we were on vacation (and boy do I have a
story to tell, but it's not DX related), so call it about a 6 week
turn-around for processing.  Considering the glut of Dayton submissions
about the same time, that's not too shabby!

Now I have to gather together the 40 meter cards.  Two more bands to submit
to complete 5 Band, then 17. leaves me one HF band to finish, but patience
and sunspots will get me 12 soon enough.  Meanwhile, time to work on the 160
antenna. that's going to be the real challenge.

My personal thanks to Steve KF2TI for taking time away from visiting his
family (OK, even though they only live about 3 blocks away from me) to check
the cards.  Hopefully, he isn't too emotionally scarred from his encounter
with Lucy Furr, the coax chewing semi-Beagle, and will be willing to stop by
again during one of his upcoming trips to the area.  (And if he can stick
around long enough, I'll even grill him a burger!)

73, ron w3wn



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[DX-CHAT] Warning-Get Ready: ADMINISTRATIVE NOTE

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

OK folks, before this gets out of hand...

DX Chat is supposed to be for the calm discussion of things Amateur Radio related.

The ecological disaster in the Gulf of Mexico does not fall within that scope.

In other words, this is not the correct forum for discussion of that disaster or collateral damage thereof.

So please discontinue that tangent of the thread before it gets out of hand.

Thank you.

73, ron w3wn
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Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] Warning-Get Ready

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Again: Please discontinue the political discussion as it does not fall within the scope of this reflector.

Thank you.

73, ron w3wn
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[DX-CHAT] Phew! 20 down, 40 80 to go

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Just had the pleasure of seeing Steve KF2TI for a short time (he has
relatives a hop skip  a jump from the QTH).  Steve was kind enough to
field-check my 20 meter DXCC cards. and razzed me severely for a few cards
that got out of order (which I deserved!)

 

That will make 4 single bands completed (10, 15  30 are the others), with
just 40  80 to submit to finish off 5 Band DXCC, one band at a time.

 

My thanks to Steve for taking the trouble of stopping by and checking the
cards, which was above  beyond the strict call of duty.  (Of course, it's
always nice to see someone from back home again as well!)

 

Now, do I have enough time to gather the 40 meter cards together before
Dayton. or am I just going to chicken out and wait a little longer?

 

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Just curious ....

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

 
WSJT is a digital mode.

If you are willing to accept a QSO on a digital mode that is present, but so
weak as to be inaudible to the human ear, then I don’t think the band in
question is a concern.

So by extension, if WSJT is accepted as a digital mode for DXCC credit on 6
meters, one would think it is also acceptable on other bands as well.

IMHO.

73, ron w3wn


From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of w0...@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:54 AM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org; d...@arrl.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Just curious 

There is a small, but enthusiastic, group of 50 mHz operators using the WSJT
mode for no hear them EME QSOs and DXCC credit.  These contacts are
totally by computer, the signal levels being well below audible
to-the-ear as much as -26 or so dB.
 
Would (or should) 160 meter contacts made by similar WSJT mode count for
DXCC?
 
73,  Bill (W0WOI)



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RE: [DX-CHAT] WH0AA qth?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Did he send a QTH?

 

QRZ or FCC won't be any help, the mailing address is listed as a NY State PO
Box.  QRZ adds that the QSL address is via JA8OLD, so that does indicate
that a Pacific QTH is more likely.

 

Buckmaster indicates that his previous call was KH0UE, which is of no help.
But they do offer to sell you a very pretty name badge with his name  call
on it.

 

And the icing on the cake. last week's 425 DX News indicates that JA6GLD,
operator of WH0AA, will be active from Saipan on 22-26 October, QSL via home
call.  Information source cited is the Daily DX, so I'd place my bets that
he's in the Marianas.

 

Good catch on 30, by the way.

 

73

 

  _  

From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Garth
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:32 PM
To: DX-Chat
Subject: [DX-CHAT] WH0AA qth?

 

Can anyone confirm the QTH of WH0AA? Worked this morning on 30 meters. I
have seen spots that say the Mariana Islands and some say Guam (/KH2)

 

Thanks,

Garth, KW4MM


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Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] msnbc.com: Family electrocuted putting up radio antenna

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Thanks Dave, and thanks for posting this to the list (just saved me from duplicating the effort)

I also couldn't find any ham with the last name of Braham living in Florida. I hadn't thought about them being at a relative's home. 

Putting the city (Palm Bay FL) and street name (Alaska Avenue) into QRZ came up with KJ4KFF. But that could certainly be a coincidence (and should be treated as such until proven otherwise)
Regardless of whether or not they were licensed, or a relative was, or what the circumstances of their operating was, it is a tragedy for the family.

73Oct 13, 2009 11:22:08 AM, dkoz...@gmail.com wrote:
I found more information here: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-palm-bay-family-electrocuted-101309,0,4124089.storyThe last names are mentioned, but there is nobody with that name who is a ham in Florida. However, the video on that web page mentions that they were at a relatives house, so I assume the relative was the ham. In any case, a real shame.73,  David, K2DBK  k2dbk.com  k2dbk.blogspot.com
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Steve Adell - KF2TI kf...@optonline.net wrote:
Family electrocuted putting up radio antennaPolice in Florida say a mother, father and 15-year-old sondied after being electrocuted while putting up a ham radioantenna in their Palm Bay home.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33288707/ns/us_news-life/from/ET---To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.orgIn the message body put eitherunsubscribe dx-chatorsubscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org--To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org--- 

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[DX-CHAT] RE: [DX-NEWS] 7O1YGF

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Have you notified Bill about this oversight?  

If you think you were charged when you shouldn't have been, I'm sure he'll
look into the matter and get it straightened out.

Human beings make mistakes.  This sounds like a small one, easily
understandable.  

Let's give other human beings a chance to correct them, before alerting the
media.

73

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Doug Renwick
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:30 PM
To: dx-n...@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-NEWS] 7O1YGF

Did anyone receive this announcement:

In one of the announcements I (Bill Moore) mentioned that if a card is
received without an SASE or one IRC, that a $4.50 postage and handling
fee would be applied.

I submitted my card based on the announcement quoted below and was still
charged $4.50.

Send the 7O1YGF card ONLY to DXCC with a SASE, or return postage if
outside the US; DXCC will process the card and applicants will not be
charged a submission fee. 7O1YGF cards included with other cards will be
handled as part of a normal submission.

Doug

The water jump is long and the barrier may be high, 
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RE: [DX-CHAT] dx summit problem

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

There have been several reports of this on various contest, dx, and dx qsl
reflectors.

DX Summit is apparently at least partially if not completely down at the
moment.  

All we can do is stand by until the problem is fixed.

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Kenneth Sobel
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 1:40 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] dx summit problem


When I try to go to  www.dxsummit.fi/dxspots.aspx to get dx spots it sends 
me to the following URL

http://www.dxsummit.fi/error.html?aspxerrorpath=/www.dxsummit.fi/dxspots.asp
x

where I get the following message:

THE PAGE OR FILE COULD NOT BE FOUND
The address or link may be invalid or outdated.
You will be automatically redirected to the www.dxsummit.fi in 10 seconds.

Then it sends me to the dxsummit news page at www.dxsummit.fi

This problem started yesterday.

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RE: [DX-CHAT] the sad story of South Sudan - a new country after 2011?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

It's happened before (Western Sahara).  We've also had new entities replace
deleted ones (East Timor) when they weren't judged to be exactly the same.  

 

We can worry about it if and when the proper time to do so comes about.  

 

  _  

From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Zack Widup
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:52 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] the sad story of South Sudan - a new country after
2011?

 

 

Not to make light of the strife and trouble going on there, but I wonder if
a deleted country can be reinstated? I have ST0 South Sudan as a deleted
entity.

 

73, Zack W9SZ

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:19 AM, DAVE WHITE mausop...@btinternet.com
wrote:

 


Clip from today's Sunday Telegraph

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/sudan/6034690
/South-Sudan-faces-new-war-over-oil.html

 

It seems that some things never change.  I've frequently heard an argument
that the worst thing that the old colonial powers did was to put Africans in
charge of Africa.  It's not an opinion that I hold (actually I think it was
just done badly), but examples that spring to mind are the chaos and
bloodshed in Rwanda, Burundi, Nigeria/Biafra, Ghana, Sudan, Sierra Leone,
Angola, Somalia, Eritrea, Zaire, Western Sahara, Central African Republic
etc ... and of course the biggest basket case of the all: Zimbabwe, once the
bread basket of Africa and now what?

 

It does make me wonder whether the current outbreak of troubles in Southern
Sudan is just tribal squabbling.  Conspiracy theorists (and those who know
how China operates) may point the finger in their direction, particularly if
there's oil and other mineral resuorce at stake.  As we know, the Chinese
have no morals when it comes to dealing anyone who'll sell them what they
need at a knock-down price

 

I wonder if the referendum of independence for South Sudan will really go
ahead?  One thing's for certain:  It'll be a brave bunch of guys who mount a
DXpedition there!

 

food for thought, eh?

 

cheers

 

Dave G0OIL


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[DX-CHAT] Re: [DX-NEWS] 7O1YGF Approved for DXCC Credit

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Yup. That's exactly right. It took 9 years.

Why? Because the ARRL DXCC Desk requests documentation of some form or another to confirm that an amateur or a group are authorized to operate from entities like this that are normally difficult to near-impossible to operate from. 

Why is that? One word: Romeo. Or, if you prefer, three words: Dr. Don Miller. Amongst many (fortunately, very relatively few) others who didn't operate from where they said they were. To say nothing of governments, usually after a change in administration, that claim that individuals who said they were operating legally weren't (remember the 9U fiasco a few years back?)

So why now? That's a good question. I asked that of Bill when he replied to a quip I'd made on another reflector (my trips to Dayton with K3AIR will never be the same, we no longer have 7O to argue over!), but he's out of the office at an event, so i don't know if or when I will hear from him.

If I had to guess -- and remember, this is a guess -- I know that in the past there has been a lack of documentation provided to the DXCC desk. Which is why the operation was in "pending" status for so long. I believe N7NG said at one point during his time at the League that they just needed SOMETHING to show that they had permission from the national government to operate -- and it wasn't a case that they didn't believe the team wasn't there, but (and this is my interpretation) because of past precedent, they had to ask.

Remember, though, that 7O1YGF was in "pending" status all these years. It wasn't a question of anyone's mind being changed -- they just needed that shred of evidence. Obviously, something occurred recently that was "enough" to satisfy the technicalities. Exactly what I don't know, but I'm sure sooner or later it will be revealed.

73Aug 13, 2009 12:55:21 PM, ve...@sasktel.net wrote:
"After reviewing recently-received information regarding the 7O1YGFoperation, and after additional dialogue with a leader of theDXpedition,the DXCC desk has approved this operation."Nine years later and this Yemen operation just now gets approval?What's going on here? Can any body report on what the 'recently-received information' was thatchanged Bill's position on the 7O1YGF operation?Doug I'll run the race and I will never be the same again. -Original Message-From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Jim ReisertAD1CSent: August 12, 2009 4:27 PMTo: dx-n...@njdxa.orgCc: DX4WIN Reflector; YCCC; mhdxa; PPDXG Reflector; GMCCSubject: [DX-NEWS] 7O1YGF Approved for DXCC CreditThe following news is from the ARRL DXCC Desk and is for real!Bernie, W3URThe following operation has been approved for DXCC:7O1YGF – YemenOperation from April 16, 2000 through April 26, 2000After reviewing recently-received information regarding the 7O1YGFoperation, and after additional dialogue with a leader of theDXpedition,the DXCC desk has approved this operation.Considering the length of time that has passed since this operation, weaskthat DXCC participants who would like to claim credit for 7O1YGF followtheoptions below:• Send the 7O1YGF card ONLY to DXCC with a SASE, or return postage ifoutside the US; DXCC will process the card and applicants will not becharged a submission fee. 7O1YGF cards included with other cards will behandled as part of a normal submission.• Bring the card to a DXCC Card Checker. The card checker will forwardtheconfirmation to the DXCC desk for processing. Again, there will be nosubmission fee if this is a single-card submission. You must fill out anapplication form, however.In all other cases applicants can include their QSL card with their nextsubmission, and it will be handled normally. We will work with the7O1YGFteam to use Logbook of the World if possible.Remember, the cutoff date for the 2009 DXCC Annual listing and HonorRolllist is December 31, 2009. We encourage applicants to handle this soonerrather than wait until the last minute.73 es DX!Bill Moore NC1LAwards BranchManager---To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-newsor subscribe dx-newsThis is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org---

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[DX-CHAT] G-20

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Just out of idle curiosity, are any of the list members coming to Pittsburgh
in some capacity for the G-20 summit at the end of September?

 

I strongly suspect that I may have a couple of free days (considering that
my office's building is well within the perimeter of the security zone) and
wouldn't mind getting together with anyone to chew the fat or whatever.

 

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[DX-CHAT] Mosley Manual

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I was just given an old Mosley TA-36 beam (at least, it was described to me
as such, it might actually be a TA-33!)

 

However, unfortunately, no manual came with it.  And even though it's listed
as available on the BAMA site, when I try to download it, the server asks me
for a user name  password (and it doesn't like the password associated with
the Anonymous login account), which I don't have, so that doesn't work.

 

Don't suppose anyone has a manual sitting around that I can beg or borrow a
copy of?  

 

And does anyone know if Mosley is still around, and if so, are they still in
the amateur radio business?

 

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[DX-CHAT] Mosley Manuals

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I was just given an old Mosley TA-36 beam (at least, it was described to me
as such, it might actually be a TA-33!)

However, unfortunately, no manual came with it.  And even though it’s listed
as available on the BAMA site, when I try to download it, the server asks me
for a user name  password (and it doesn’t like the password associated with
the Anonymous login account), which I don’t have, so that doesn’t work.

Don’t suppose anyone has a manual sitting around that I can beg or borrow a
copy of?  

And does anyone know if Mosley is still around, and if so, are they still in
the amateur radio business?

73, ron w3wn




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RE: [DX-CHAT] Mosley Manuals

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Thanks to all who've replied (direct or via the reflector); I've gotten a
wealth of information to dig through!

First, on further inspection, I think it's a TA-33 (or TA-33jr) not a TA-36.
The -36 is a six element yagi, this appears to be only a 3.  Of course, it's
arrived in many many pieces, so take that with a grain of salt. 

Second, although I couldn't get into the main BAMA site for some odd reason
(and I use IE 7, not Firefox or Safari or one of the alternatives), there is
a mirror site.  That worked, and I got info on all of the antennas.

Right now, the antenna is going to wait awhile.  It's sat in a garage for
quite a few years, and will need quite a bit of TLC -- and new U-Bolts (some
are rusted) and other hardware.  These will need to be ordered.  I also have
to figure out which traps are which... they are color coded, but the color
has long since faded.

Sure wish I had that beam up in the air right now though... it's been tough
slugging in the IARU with my Butternut.  Trimming the vines off of it helped
though (those wild grape get aggressive!) but I have some radials that need
some work.  But that's another story.

Again, my thanks to all.  I knew I could count on you!

73, ron w3wn

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius
W3WN
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 6:06 PM
To: DX Chat Reflector (DX Chat Reflector)
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Mosley Manuals

I was just given an old Mosley TA-36 beam (at least, it was described to me
as such, it might actually be a TA-33!)

However, unfortunately, no manual came with it.  And even though it’s listed
as available on the BAMA site, when I try to download it, the server asks me
for a user name  password (and it doesn’t like the password associated with
the Anonymous login account), which I don’t have, so that doesn’t work.

Don’t suppose anyone has a manual sitting around that I can beg or borrow a
copy of?  

And does anyone know if Mosley is still around, and if so, are they still in
the amateur radio business?

73, ron w3wn




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RE: [DX-CHAT] Logging, spotting PC

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Check the thrift shops and such as well.

I'm serious.  My company just donated ~100 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 machines to
Goodwill and one of the local YMCA's.  The machines are going to be cleaned,
fixed up (most are OK, a few need some TLC... like the one I dropped during
the move, oops) and then sold to the public.  

...no, we didn't donate ALL of them to charity.  I got 3, including a new
one for the shack.  Bought them for $50 each.  (The firm is donating all the
funds from employee sales to the same charities).  So, it doesn't hurt to
ask around.  Even in this economy, companies are replacing machines in mass,
and often, you can get a good system for pennies on the dollar.

73

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Dick Flanagan
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:34 PM
To: andersonw...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: DX CHAT
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Logging, spotting PC

At 08:21 AM 5/7/2009, Tom Anderson wrote:
 Any suggestions what I need to look for as far as extras, like a video
 card, etc?

I would go to your local computer shop--the neighborhood type who 
will build you what you want from scratch.

Tell they you want a fairly fast machine (2+GHz) with a reasonable 
amount of memory (2+GB).  You want:

(4) RS-232 serial ports
(4+) USB-2 Ports
(2+) Firewire Ports
(2) decent 16-bit sound cards
(2) decent video cards.  Ideally both with analog and digital outputs 
or one with analog and one with digital.
(2+) SATA disk drives
(2+) external SATA ports
Windows XP Pro (small shops aren't stuck with Vista)

Let the shop decide which video and sound cards to actually 
get.  Tell them you are doing real-time data sampling, so you need 
good stuff but nothing near the best.  They know the market and what 
will get you the most bang for your buck.

Specify SATA drives and ports as they are faster and more reliable.

If you have room on your operating desk, get two LCD flat-panel 
displays.  It's always nice to be able to have your radio control on 
one screen and your program control on the other.

A general rule of thumb is you can't have too much speed, too much 
memory, too much disk space or too many I/O ports.

This setup will probably cost you $1500 by the time you factor in the 
displays.  If the price comes in too high, just tell the shop you 
need to dial everything back a notch to the next cost point until you 
find a system you are comfortable with.

I can't emphasize enough the need to avoid the big box stores.  Go to 
your local computer shop that services local businesses.  They 
usually run around in a little car or truck with their name blazoned 
on it and are hard to miss.

Standard disclaimers apply.  Batteries not included.

Dick
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[DX-CHAT] Time to get the 20 cards together!

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Saw online this morning that my 15 meter DXCC app (turned in via field checking) was processed and posted over the weekend.I knew it was coming, it's still nice to see it!Only odd thing... I turned in 119 cards (should have been 120, but I grabbed the wrong Guam card -- right call, wrong band!), and all were accepted by the checker... but LotW says only 118 were accepted.  Curious, but without my records handy (I'm at work at lunch right now) I can't very well check the list to see which one didn't make it...Overall, 226 now confirmed, and another 22 confirmed on LotW but not yet applied for.  With a little luck, I'll break 300 confirmed before I've got all the single bands turned in.Well, that now adds 15 to the list of "Done!" -- turned in Mixed, Phone & 10 in the first batch at the end of '07, 30 & CW last year.On to 20!73

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[DX-CHAT] Whatever happened to...?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

While doing a little research on the upcoming K4M Midway DXpedition, I stumbled on the site of the Midway/Kure DX Foundation's K7K  K4M operations circa 1997/8, at http://www.qsl.net/eudxf/stories/k7k.html (The web page is undated, but refers to the "previous" 1996 Midway expedition  a 1997 survey)

At the end of the article is this curious little tidbit:

"Following Kure, the team returned for a 2-night, one-day stay on Midway where they made approx. 3,000 QSOs as K4M before returning to Kauai and onward to their respective homes. As chairman of the Midway-Kure DX Foundation, Frank AHØW and Yuuji Yoshitani JA3IG/K1NT also worked out an arrangement with officials on Midway whereby two permanent HF stations will be installed in Midway's hangar to include two fully-equipped ICOM HF tions and Force-12, Cushcraft and other antennas. The stations should be ready beginning the first of 1999."

Whatever happened to those two stations?

73

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I'm with you on this one Harris.

With my efforts currently concentrating on 17 and 160 meters (not that I'd
turn down 12 meters if it ever opened), I wouldn't mind working the KP5 guys
on those bands.  Now if the weather and work will ever give me a break to go
add some radials to my poor pathetic inverted L for 160...

73

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org]on Behalf Of Harris Ruben
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:36 PM
To: dx-chat List
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island


I have plenty of Q's (80 through 10) since I was licensed in the
mid-1980s, but still need one for my favorite band -- 18 mHz. I'll be
in there looking. My amp hasn't been hooked up for over 2 years, and I
don't intend to do so now (I'll get it in line for P5, though).

So, barefoot it is. See you all on 17 meters!
harry N2ERN


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RE: [DX-CHAT] qsl info

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Everything I've seen says via the JARL bureau.

73

-Original Message-
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GOLODICH
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:13 AM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Cc: GEORGE GOLODICH
Subject: [DX-CHAT] qsl info


DOES ANYONE HAVE ACCURATE QSL ROUTE INFORMATION FOR STATION  8J1RL
THE JAPANESE BASE AT ANTARTICA ?

THNX,
GEORGE
K2OEK
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RE: [DX-CHAT] Amateur engineering at its finest.....

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Hearing them on 160?  Not a problem.

Now, them hearing me... THAT will be impressive!

73
  -Original Message-
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  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:37 PM
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  Subject: [DX-CHAT] Amateur engineering at its finest.


http://www.ok1rr.com/news.php


.and most impressive.  Look at the photos and specs of the 
3-element 160m beam and the 5-ele beam for 80m!

Tower height 100m
Boom lengths 60m
5 full size elements on 80m

This makes my lowband wiggly-wire-in-a-tree look a bit pathetic!  If 
you can't hear these guys you need a new receiver, I reckon.

cheers

Dave G0OIL 

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[DX-CHAT] Dissed by Infoworld?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Nice little article on Infoworld's site today, about the 10 most under-reported tech stories of 2008.Of interest to us is #6:  BPL is Back from the Dead  (see http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/12/29/53FE-tech-underreported-powerline_1.html )Of note in the article is this paragraph:   "And another recent innovation, called notching, lets the chips switch frequencies when meeting interference. This upgrade should quiet the fears of ham radio operators (who amazingly enough have still have significant clout) and others that BPL will cause problems for various radio services, says Ray Blair, IBM's head of advanced networking. ""Who amazingly enough have still have significant clout" ???Never mind the bad English (don't they employ editors anymore?  or proof readers?).  I'm not sure if we should take that as an insult or a compliment.  What do you think?73

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[DX-CHAT] V51AS QSL'ing

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Gentle Folk:

Before this gets further out of hand... let's tone this down or take it
elsewhere.

V51AS has a known mail theft problem.  He is NOT a well-known QSL deadbeat
because he answers every card he gets; I've certainly never had a problem
getting cards from him.

Has he been stubborn about getting a mail drop and resistant to getting a
QSL manager?  Yes, but without knowing his side of the story, I am reluctant
to criticize him on it.  And in all fairness, he did get the German mail
drop set up, which I understand has worked reliably since doing so.  Has it
occurred to anyone that the mail thieves may be on to that now?

Personally insulting the man does not help matters.  And it is not in the
spirit of the nature of this reflector.

If you have a gripe or other concerns about QSL'ing in general, or QSL'ing
Frank in particular, the DX QSL reflector is the place to go.  You will find
plenty of help and suggestions there.

But if you can't keep it civil, don't bring it here.

Thank you for your understanding.

73, ron w3wn
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RE: [DX-CHAT] Anybody up for a Pacific trip?

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Isn't this how we officially lost access to KP1  KP5?

You have to wonder what the real agenda here is.  It's not like any of these
islands are exactly tourist traps waiting for the next Norwegian Princess
cruise.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter
Dougherty
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:15 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Anybody up for a Pacific trip?


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26396214/

They mention Kingman specifically, and I'm sure a few more
rare/ultra-rare ones will be included in that plan. Gotta say, it
would be great to see at least one of those endangered entities
activated before it's too late.



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Peter,
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RE: [DX-CHAT] Radio Procedure-on phone

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Well, for one thing, QSL means received and understood whereas OVER means
back over to you which are not the same thing.

Regardless, use of the Q signals has crept into voice communications for
longer than almost any of us have been alive.  And... when communicating on
voice with someone who doesn't speak your language, but understands Q
signals, they do come in handy, regardless of the communications mode in
question!

I don't know why we keep arguing over silly things like this...

73
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LA5HE Ragnar
Otterstad
  Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:27 AM
  To: dx-eu; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org
  Subject: [DX-CHAT] Radio Procedure-on phone


  T his reminds me:

  Why are new hams using QSL instead of OVER ?

  The Q-code was made for telegraphy to save  time and avoid language
confusion. !

  73
   RAG   Ragnar Otterstad   LA5HE JW5HE OZ8RO


  Located in Telemark - Home of skiing.

  For more information about Telemark take a look at :

  http://en.telemarkreiser.no/




 From UK:
 Has anyone out there got a copy of Standard Radio Procedures ?

 The reason I ask is that the police (I work in a police control room)
are introducing what they call 'Airwave Speak' which is being adopted by
police forces nationally. The grandly titled 'National Police Improvement
Agency' has come up with a definitive list of words which are classed as
good procedure, i.e   'OVER'  'STAND BY'  'ACKNOWLDGE'   'NEGATIVE'
etc.. the usual stuff.
However, they have binned for some unknown reason  'ROGER' and
replaced it with 'RECEIVED' and have also brought in 'PLEASE'  'SORRY' and
'THANK YOU'  amongst other changes!

No, this is not april 1st. This is genuine.

Although it will standardise terminology used by all police forces they
have omitted to consult the armed forces who also have access to 'Airwave'
and I believe have missed an opportunity to standardise Radio Procedures
amongst ALL emergency services with whom we are supposed to be able to work
if the proverbial you know what hit the fan.

If I could get hold off or even print out from some internet site a
definitive copy of  CORRECT Radio Speak I intend to make my disapproval
known.

SORRY? THANK YOU?   ... give me strength!


Mick Martin

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[DX-CHAT] TS-480SAT

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Anyone familiar with the Kenwood TS-480SAT?

Would appreciate some feedback on the radio, as it's not one I'm familiar
with... yet.

[I've been going to the Breezeshooter's Hamfest for 28 years, on and off,
and never won so much as a book of matches... until today.  I'm still in
shock!]

73, ron w3wn



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RE: [DX-CHAT] Extra Class Exam

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Well... without trying to come off as a smart-aleck or worse...

Do it the old fashioned way.

Learn the material, not the answers to the questions.

If you know the material -- the theory, the practice, the rules 
regulations -- then answering the questions is easy, because you know how to
figure out the correct answer.

And you'll be a better prepared ham for doing this.

73, ron w3wn

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of RUSSELL
KELLAM JR
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:46 AM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Extra Class Exam


Would like to hear from recent Extra Class upgrades and their methods of
stuy for the exam. I have the a study book and software for the new question
pool. The thought of memorizing 738 answers to questions is very
intimidating to say the least. Would really like advice on study methods.
Tnx  73 Russ W4UBC



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[DX-CHAT] OT: Bowie MD

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I'm going to be in Bowie, MD (outside of DC) for the weekend.

If anyone in the area is interested in getting together for an eyeball (I'll
even buy the cup of coffee), or whatever, let me know.

73, ron w3wn



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RE: [DX-CHAT] Radio-Amateurs+ART

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Randy,

The offending (and I do mean offending) party is of the opinion that since
you, as a ham, have an email address, he has the right to send you his junk
mail pushing his alleged art work.  And he changes ISP's with enough
frequency that simply blocking his address (or sending it to the bit bucket)
is a temporary measure.

If you try to ask him to simply remove you from future mailings, as Jim and
I and countless others have done in the past -- not at all an unreasonable
request -- he either claims it's too much bother, or is not technically
feasible considering the number of mailings he sends out daily; or je
replies along the lines that Jim mentions.

Sadly, I fear that the ultimate result of Jim's suggestion is that IF the
ISP's in question remove the offender from their service... he'll find
someone else.  And, sadly, there's always someone else.

(Personally, I think we should arrange for him to be bound and gagged in a
small room and subjected to a non-stop playing of the rhythm of the code
for a few days.  It drove people nutz in the Hamvention flea market after
only a few hours... dang, it's not constitutional, cruel and unusual
punishment.)

73, ron w3wn

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of WX5L
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Radio-Amateurs+ART


Maybe an alternative would be to mark that originating email as junk
email and send it to your garbage can and not even see it in your inbox.

73,
Randy
WX5L

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 11:25 AM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Radio-Amateurs+ART

If you are receiving the spam entitled Radio-Amateurs+ART, I suggest you
forward the message (along with your complaint) to one of the following
addresses:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you know how, you can scan the mail headers to see which host the mail
may
have originated from.

I have tried to contact the person who sends these messages, and the
response I
received is basically, If you don't want the mail, remove your E-mail
address
from the Internet.

73 - Jim AD1C


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RE: [DX-CHAT] I wish to register a complaint!

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Pete,

If Monty Python sues, I know a good lawyer... g

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter
Dougherty
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:26 AM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] I wish to register a complaint!


Yesterday afternoon a cluster-crab made an off-hand about 10 and 15 
(or was it 17  15) being dead - to which I replied in a very 
pythonesque manner. Well tonight, after a few choice single-malts, 
the creative juices began to flow and pretty soon the following oozed 
out of my brain and onto eHam's DXing forum.

---
QRPer from down the hill enters an office containing a counter with 
an HF radio and microphone on it. A clerk is standing behind the counter.


QRPer: I wish to register a complaint!

Ofcom agent: Sorry, we're closed for lunch...

QRPer: Never mind that, ol' man, I wish to complain about 10 meters, 
wot I got permission to use not half a year ago fom this very boutique.

Ofcom agent: Oh, yes, 10 meters. What's, uhwhat's wrong with it?

QRPer: I'll tell you what's wrong with it OM, It's DEAD, that's 
what's wrong with it.

Ofcom agent: Oh no, it's resting.

QRPer: Look matey, I know a dead band when I hear one, and I'm 
listening to one right now.

Ofcom agent: No no, it's not dead, it's restin'. Remarkable band, ten 
metres...beautiful daylight coverage.

QRPer: The coverage don't enter into itit's stone dead.

Ofcom agent: no no no no, it's *resting*.

QRPer: ALLright then, if it's resting, I'll wake it up. CQ. CQ 
TEN. I'M QRV BETWEEN LIGHTNING BOLTS ON CLIPPERTON ISLAND IF YOU'LL 
WAKE UP, TEN METERS! (Ofcom agent quickly breaks out a bug and 
oscillator and sends some fast CW)

Ofcom agent: There, that was a signal

QRPer: Not it wasn't, that was you sending on a practice oscillator.

Ofcom agent: I NEVER

QRPer Yes you did!

Ofcom agent: I did naugh...

QRPer: (quickly tuning the transmitter) S CUE TEN SCUE TEN!!! 
QRZ TEN METERS! THIS IS YOUR DX WAKEUP CALL
(Turns up the AF gain and spins the VFO to only the sound of static).

QRPer: Now that's what I call a dead band.

Ofcom agent: No, no.no it's STUNNED.

QRPer: STUNNED?

Ofcom agent: Yeah, you stunned it just when you were tuning up. 10 
meters stuns easily.

QRPer: Umnow look, mate, don't play the slippery eel with me. 
That band is definitely deceased, and when I went QRV not six short 
months ago, my Elmer assured me that its total lack of activity was 
due to it bein' tired and shagged out following CQ World Wide.

Ofcom agent: Well, it's probably pining for sunspots.

QRPer: PININ' for SUNSPOTS??? What kind of talk is that and why did 
it fall flat the moment I put my tower up?

Ofcom agent: 10 meters prefers keeping quiet like that. Remarkable 
band, innit? Beautiful Daylight Coverage.

QRPer: Look tosh, I took the liberty of examining that band when the 
TI9 was on, and I discovered that the only reason there were any 
signals at all was because I was listening to other callers on ground wave.

Ofcom agent: Well of *course* you were hearing them ground wave. 
Look, if there'd been any propagation at all they'd have all come in 
long path, and VOOM.

QRPer: VOOM?

Ofcom agent: Voom.

QRPer: Mate, this band wouldn't voom if the solar flux was four 
hundred thousand! It's bleedin' DEMISED!

Ofcom agent: No no, it's pining for sunsp

QRPer: It's not pining, it's passed on. It has ceased to be. It's a 
wasteland just like 6 with no aurora! It's flatter than me 80 meter 
dipole. If it hadn't been for ground wave I'd be hearing crickets. 
It's off the dial, it's run down the coax and joined the bloody Palos 
Verdes Sundancers. Vis-a-vis DX QSOs, this band's 'ad it's lot. All 
statements to the effect of this band's being workable are from now 
on inoperative. TEN METERS IS NOW QRT! (slams mic down on the desk)

Radio: CQ CQ CQ TEN VP8LP calling from the Falkland Islands, anybody, 
anywhere, CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ (fades out).

QRPer: (astonished)

Ofcom agent: Right! (evil grin on his face; pull back to reveal the 
Ofcom agent pull out a Wouff Hong and a Rettysnitch from behind the 
counter and chases the QRPer out of the office and down the street).
---


(may be shamelessly copied eslewhere and modified to be funnier at 
will, but please credit W2IRT)



Regards,

Peter,
W2IRT 



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RE: [DX-CHAT] Country definition ...

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Under the current rules, collections of rocks will no longer meet the
minimum geographic requirements to become a DXCC entity.

And certain entities that got on the list under Special Administrative
Area type rules, like Mt. Athos, will also no longer get on the list.

Let's keep that in perspective.  Every time the subject comes up, some of
these old chestnuts come up with it... but without the caveat that while
they happened once, under criteria no longer in effect; they won't happen
under the current DXCC 2000 criteria.

To remove this potentially questionable-under-current-criteria entities
opens up a whole 'nother can of worms.  Let's just accept that many entities
got Grandfathered in under criteria that would not pass muster today, and
try to ensure that any new entities meet the current criteria as it stands.

73

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Wylie
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:35 AM
To: DX-CHAT
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Country definition ...


Whilst not wanting get embroiled in a is it or isn't it situation - I'd
venture to suggest it does need a look at.
In NO way, shape or form is Scarborough Reef an entity.   It is a rock,
or to be more specific a collection of rocks.

There are many others out there too that need some closer scrutiny.

Mount Athos - what happens when Monk Appollo has gone?   Is it erased or
do we hope (forever) another Monk takes up the hobby?   Why is a closed
entity still on the list???

We could go on and on.



Tom
GM4FDM



David Rollitt wrote:
 Hey Joe,

 Nope, don't like it, I've been chasing DXCC since 1969, almost 40 years
and
 I vote with ARRL and the way they do things.
 I know strictly I don't get to vote, being a G but they make it
interesting.
 I love the DXCC and thanks to the  ARRL for giving me something
 to chase.
 Regards.
 David G3XYP (worked em all one mode or another - but not em all on all
 modes!)

 You can please some of the dx-ers all of the time, and all of the dx-ers
 some of the time, but you cannot please  all of the dx-ers all of the
time.
 Abe Lincoln said that, or was it Bob Dylan, I'm getting too old!




 - Original Message -
 From: Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:37 PM
 Subject: *** SPAM *** [DX-CHAT] Country definition ...



 Does anyone else think it is time to update the DXCC criteria to
 specify a combination of the US Department of State Independent
 States in the World list http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/4250.htm
 plus the list of Dependencies and Areas of Special Sovereignty
 http://www.state.gov/s/inr/rls/10543.htm?

 The two lists plus the minimum separation standards are a rather
 clear and objective criteria for political entities.

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Re:Kosova

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Gerry,

The more I think about it, the more I agree with your position.

I think if I had the power to make one change, at this point, it would be to
revert to the original wording of the DXCC-2000 rules regarding IARU
societies.  Or failing that, at least putting that rule back on the books.
While the current criteria for the 3rd choice is fine in and of itself, as
we can see here, the Rule of Unintended Consequences shows us that there are
always going to be situations that the rules don't quite cover.

Now, IF that rule were reinstated (which, I know, is not going to happen,
but let's just what if? here a moment), there's still no guarantee that a
national amateur radio society for Kosova would be admitted to the IARU.
But that's poltics of another sort.

The bottom line remains that, in this and in several other situations, the
operators knew or should have known what the rules are when they began
planning and began operating.  Should they choose to operate in situations
where DXCC approval is uncertain or unlikely, the onus on that should be on
the operators, not on the DXCC Desk.  To constantly demand that the DXCC
rules change, virtually on a moments notice, to accomodate situations where
the operators could (and probably should) have known they wouldn't meet the
criteria, is unfair to the DXCC and everyone involved in it, and will only
result in a devauled program mired in chaos.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave...

73
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gerry Hohn
  Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:13 PM
  To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
  Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Re:Kosova



  There are clear rules that cover this situation. There is no need for yet
another rule that further devalues the DXCC program to satisfy political
desires.

  Gerry VE6LB
- Original Message -
From: Ron Notarius W3WN
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Re:Kosova


Pardon me?

The ARRL is neither for nor against Kosova's independance.  The DXCC
desk is simply applying the rules as they currently exist.  Unwarranted
smears against the organization are not going to help matters any, if you're
inclined to try and change their minds on the matter.

Funny that you should mention this today.  In today's mail came my card
from FJ/OH2AM.  Within the letter, besides the usual fillers for The Daily
DX and NCDXF was a nice, slick, preprinted post card, already addressed to
my Division Director -- in short, a form letter that all I had to do was
sign stamp  drop in the mail -- requesting a change in the DXCC rules
retroactive to February 17, which (not coincidentally, I'm sure) would make
the operation a few weeks back count.

This troubles me on several levels.  I don't like it in general when
someone, even people I know and respect, try to do an end-run around the
rules that were in place at the time of the operation.  I don't like it when
someone tries to influence an organization with mass-mailings like this,
which sometimes work, but sometimes backfire.

What I dislike the most, though, are these continued calls for a
quick-fix to the rules we've had in place for close to 10 years.  Overall,
the current DXCC rules (while not perfect -- I still disagree about not
placing new deleted entities on the existing deleted list) are fair,
baqlanced, and devoid of many of the unintended loopholes that existed in
the past.

The irony is that the rules originally had a way around the UN / ITU
recognition.  The existance of an IARU society.  Now, I always thought that
rule was simply a way to make certain that a few entities (Hong Kong and
Macao specifically) to stay on the list after their political situation
changed.  But it has been pointed out to me, by someone who was very
involved in the drafting and updating of the rules, that this was also
intended to be used to cover political situations similar to Kosova.

[Why did the rule get dropped?  Do an internet search on the original
Swain's expedition.  I can't say more about that, or the rule that replaced
it (which did get Swain's put on the list after all) without revealing some
of my sources; I should not speak for them or put them further on the spot.]

Bottom line is that the rules of unintended consequences have led to
this situation.

Yet, in all of the clamor to add Kosova to the list, no one seems to be
able to suggest HOW to do it, in a fair way.  Just THAT it should (or
shouldn't) be done.

Rather than try to put pressure on the DXCC desk, directly or indirectly
through the ARRL board, why don't we draft a proposed rule that WILL cover
this and similar situations.

And if this rule can't be applied retroactively?  Well, that's the risks
a DXpedition trying to be first from a new one takes.  Just like the first
group to Swain's, or Scarborogh, or others.  Them's the breaks.

73, ron w3wn
  -Original Message

RE: [DX-CHAT] Clipperton Group

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

The word from multiple sources (including FO5A/MM) is that final logs will
be posted after their arrival home in CA.  The trip takes about 5 days, so I
wouldn't expect them to be up until near the end of the week.

73

-Original Message-
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Yarnes
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 11:19 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Clipperton Group


Anyone know why they haven't posted any more updates on
their logs?  The last update was almost 2 days before they
pulled the plug.

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Re: Card Checkers

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

When I got my app ready in December, I downloaded my received QSL's
database into Excel, sorted out the cards I was going to use, and then
printed a nice looking listing to make it easier for the card checker.  (And
then had to go find the cards in the bins, of course!)  All K3AIR had to do
was compare the physical cards to my list.  (And those of you who've seen my
handwriting know why I HAD to do it this way! g)

But, if you stop and think about it, to take that physical printout, mail it
to the League, and then have someone by hand re-enter all the information...
that's all extra work that need not be done.

How much easier  faster it would have been to enter my cards onto a
website -- or upload from a database or spreadsheet or ADIF or other
standard format into that website -- get a printout with a Serial or ID
number, and then have the card checker submit back to HQ just that ID
number.  (Although there would have to be a way to also tell them if a cards
was rejected, or if a card submitted was a substitute for the one on the
page, but that's very do-able).  And once the list is confirmed, having a
DXCC record electronically updated and such, and appropriate paperwork and
certificates printed, and so forth, only takes a few minutes.

There's no practical reason why this can't be done, save cost.  And if the
issue is finding a programmer or a small group of programmers to set it up,
I'm sure that if asked, there'd be no shortage of volunteers.  Starting with
me.  But someone up at Hq has to be willing to get this moving.

73
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of wmills
  Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 2:29 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: 'DX Chat'
  Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Re: Card Checkers


  One of the could be developments associated with LoTW that could be done
to speed DXCC processing is for applicants to enter their apps on a
DXCC/LoTW Website. Once the applicant has entered the data, it is checked
against the cards by a checker, and the checker approves the application.



  Since the app is now already in electronic from, processing it is just as
easy as is processing basic LoTW apps now. A couple of clicks, and it's
done. This could reduce much of the manpower now required to enter data.
From a business point of view it makes perfect sense. However, HQ doesn't
think this way, hence the 17 week turn-around.



  This process has been waiting for development for several years. All of
the elements to accomplish this are in place. It had been on the COO's plan
each year. Nothing yet.



  73, Wayne, N7NG

  Jackson Hole, Wyoming





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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don
  Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:11 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: 'DX Chat'
  Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Re: Card Checkers



   So you suggest those that get field checked go to the head of the line?
And the HQ-checked get put off until later?



  That line's pretty deep. To do so means that the HQ-checked submission
would somehow get less priority. This seems to put those submitters who don'
t have access to a field checker at a strong disadvantage.  Maybe someday
the field checked backlog would drop to zero and HQ submissions would get
their day?


  And if you're not arguing this, then we must presume that the submissions
get checked on the basis of when-logged-in to DXCC whether field checked
or HQ-checked.  So your suggestion would somehow force, on a weekly basis,
having the field-checked submissions processed first during their week and
the HQ-check last?  How does this help the huge backlog?



  Doesn't seem well thought out.



  Frankly John, the problem is with the lack of adequate staffing to handle
the backlog.





--

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:49 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: DX Chat
  Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: Card Checkers



  David:



  You would think so. Given the large backlog lately, I made a very
friendly suggestion to Bill Moore that they sort the submittals into 2
piles (Field Checked and Physical Cards), and have the bulk of their effort
directed at Physical Card submittals. My belief was that the time required
to unbundle a wad of cards, sort them into groups, physically review each
card, enter the credit info, and then put that cards back into a bundle and
send them on back to the sender requires quite a bit more time than entering
the credit info from a field card check list. Even with a smaller effort, I
would think that field checked card submittals would move along very
quickly, and the backlog reduced more quickly.



  My suggestion was ignored.



  John Owens - N7TK



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RE: [DX-CHAT] Directional CQs

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I would say that at the moment, NA and EU contain the largest concentrations
of active DX'ers.  And when considering that the last two Pacific
DXpeditions -- specifically, VP6DX Ducie and TX5C Clipperton -- basically
had to shoot OVER NA to get to EU, AF  AS... directional CQ's become a
little more understandable.

Is it entirely, 100% fair?  No.  But what is?

There are many other factors involved than the ones Charles cites.  TX5C,
for one, stated that there would be a concentration on EU because of demand.
I'm sure I'm not the only DX'er who sat in front of the radio, early to late
evenings, hearing TX5C booming 599+40 on 80  40 meter CW, but unable to
call because of those two simple letters, EU.

But, so what?  The bottom line is, as always, that the DXpedition fronts the
funds, does the dirty work, arranges the shipping and transportation -- in
short, takes the risks -- and as such, determines who how  where they will
call.  That's the way the game is played.

To be honest, I'm not going to sit here and gripe about the TX5C gang.
Sure, I'd love to have worked them on more than one band, but I'm happy that
I finally got them late Friday night on 30 -- and I almost missed that
chance, too (no, the dog didn't eat my coax -- again.  But I did have to
take the wife in to the ER due to bronchitis; if they'd had to admit her,
instead of sending her home to recover...).  In many ways, this DXpedition
was snake-bit, especially weather wise.  To do as well as they did, with the
weather-related delays and disasters they had to deal with, is commendable
to them.  To second guess their (or anyone else's) decisions on who to work
and such is very close to being uncalled for.

And frankly, I think if there were some penalties for the chronic morons who
constantly call out of turn, on top of other people, on top of the DX, and
call call call... a few of them might learn.  Not many, but a few.  And it's
the chronic morons we have to worry about, along with the UP police and the
like... not those who inadvertently make a mistake or give in to a moment's
frustration.  I've never heard of anyone guilty of a momentary lapse being
put on a secret naughty list... though I wish a few of the chronics might
make them!

73
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Harpole
  Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:53 PM
  To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
  Subject: [DX-CHAT] Directional CQs


  Many recent DXpeditions have, in my opinion, over-studied the data to
serve under served

  areas, have propagation charts, and be extra aware of their important
position as the only

  (last?) hams to be at that locale.  One effect is the extensive use of
DIRECTIONAL CQs... usually

  only EU or only NA.


  A clue There are FOUR (five, really) other continents--not just
countries-- NOT INCLUDED in

  those directional calls.  And, if one calls out of turn from one of
those other CONTINENTS, one is

   shunned or chastened or, worse, put secretly on a banned-for-QSL-card
list.

  Hey, can we not just fix this situation?  73 from Un-called South East
Asia.


  Charles Harpole  HS0ZCW

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Directional CQs

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

One thing I noted that at least one or two of the VP6DX team did was to mix
in the directional calls.  For example, on 30 meters, at the time I worked
them, the op did about 5 minutes of UP EU, about the same just UP, then
the same UP NA, then UP only again... with an occasional SA mixed in
there.

I think that was a good compromise.   Gave each area a few minutes while
propagation was open, and a general non-specific call so that other areas
that had propagation at the time weren't excluded.  And the intervals were
short enough to down play the chance that propagation would fade out before
someone got their shot for the night.

Also, while I agree with Pete that the DX station needs to be skilled to be
able to pull some of this off... well, let's face it, not everyone is.  Like
many skills, it's one that can and must be honed.  So, that means that when
the inexperienced op tries it, we must be patient (or learn patience) and
give them a chance to hone those skills.  Otherwise, you have situations
like so much of the armchair quarterbacking that got thrown at many members
of the TI9KK operation.  If the inexperienced ops never have the chance to
learn, then what are you going to do when experienced ops aren't available?

73

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter
Dougherty
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Directional CQs


At 10:52 PM 3/16/2008, Charles Harpole wrote:
Many recent DXpeditions have, in my opinion, over-studied the data
to serve under served areas, have propagation charts, and be extra
aware of their important position as the only (last?) hams to be
at that locale.  One effect is the extensive use of DIRECTIONAL
CQs... usually only EU or only NA.

This is one of my biggest gripes in DXing (well, that and by the
numbers). Human nature says that whenever  you exclude a group of
people for whatever good reason you have, the excluded will
generally take offense and resentment will start to form, regardless
whether this is rational or not.

As such, there really is only one solution to this problem, and
that's to open it up to everyone, everywhere for as long as possible
(though I do think looking for the hardest parts of the world from
where the DX is operating on the low bands, at the grey-line, is
excellent operating practice). What this means, on the other hand, is
the DX station needs to be skilled enough to handle the onslaught of
callers from everywhere and have equipment and abilities to work the
pileup down efficiently.

The other problem with directional calls is CW - It's very difficult
on CW to convey a sense of where you want to hear from. It's easy to
send USA or NA, but that leaves out Central and South America - would
the DX want those too? Or does he really JUST want the US/Canada?
Ditto for calling for JA, but leaving out the rest of Asia, VK and
ZL, or EU but not Africa, the middle-East or western Asia, etc. It's
easier on SSB and RTTY, but still, the longer it takes to say
WHO/WHERE you're listening for, the bigger and more unruly the pileup will
get.

It's easier for the pileup and the operator to send XX1XXX QRZ UP
than XX1XXX QRZ EU AFRICA AND MIDDLE EAST ONLY or whatever. Sure,
the wall will become louder on and near your QSX, but just work the
loudest ones. Eventually you'll either get tired and go for an 807,
or you'll run out of 59++ signals and you'll get to dig deeper to the
ones who are only 59, then the 57s, then the 55s, etc...at least
till you get spotted and get another round of 20-overs calling you
again. If you have a rock-solid wall of noise with nothing leaping
out at you, expand your QSX range to 5 or 7 kHz on SSB. Maybe even 10
if it's unusually bad. Work the edges, pick off the big guns.
Eventually, you'll settle down to a single QSX with luck, pick 'em
off with little effort. I sure can't speak for HS-land, but when I
was on C6 I found that to be the easiest way to make Q's...take all
callers. Though I DID take EU only for a couple of hours one night as
I wanted to boost my country count a little.



Regards,

Peter,
W2IRT



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RE: [DX-CHAT] RE: [DX-NEWS] TX5C QRT time

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Well Jay, I'm not exactly sweating it.  I have Clipperton on 40 SSB  10 CW,
so it's not like I need the entity itself.  I was hoping for some band
fills, mainly on the WARC bands.

When I've had shack time this week and they were booming in, they were
listening for EU.  I'll still try and get my butt out of bed and take a
crack at them in the morning.

And it could be worse... at least, unlike Swain's last year, the dog hasn't
eaten my coax... yet.  (And no, I'm not joking!)

73
  -Original Message-
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  Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:24 PM
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  At 05:51 PM 3/13/2008 -0400, you wrote:


  That would be around 1330z Saturday...Hey you still time to get them!

  73,
  Jay/AF2C





Dang.  Guess I'm not getting them this time.  Oh well.
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jim
Abercrombie
  Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:42 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [DX-NEWS] TX5C QRT time


  As I reported earlier, it's now on their website they will QRT at
dawn, Clipperton time, on Saturday March 15th.
  Jim


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RE: [DX-CHAT] cost of DX radios

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

A close friend just got a K3 -- received it Friday, assembled it Saturday.
I'll let you know what it's like when I next get over to his house... if
he'll let me touch it (of course, he let me play with his Orion, so it's a
possibility...)

73

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter
Dougherty
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] cost of DX radios


At 08:52 PM 3/10/2008, Charles Harpole wrote:
According to adjusted GDP ratios, a $300 (USD) good DX radio,
purchased in 1960 would cost, in 2007 USD,

a wopping $4,200, plus or minus a few dollars here and there  (or a
really loaded FT-2000D).

Figuring another way (relative share of GDP), the cost would be about
$7,300.

Of course, a Collins S-line went for over $2,000 which would be, on
the low side, about $11,000. or on the high side,

$52,000 in today's US dollars.

Working DX can get expensive any year.

Unless you buy a K3 and get an amazing radio at a modest price (as I
intend to do later this year or early next). Not cheap, but certainly
affordable.




Regards,

Peter,
W2IRT



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RE: [DX-CHAT] Goran

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Gang?

Please...

Do not pursue this thread any further.  I am discussing the situation with
Management.

If you have any concerns, contact me directly.  Do not post them to the
reflector.

Thank you.

73, ron w3wn
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[DX-CHAT] FW: Market Reef

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

You may have seen this on another reflector.  I thought the request was
important enough to forward it over here.

If anyone can assist Henryk, please contact him directly at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- please, please, do NOT blindly reply to this email!!

73, ron w3wn

-Original Message-
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Market Reef

I would like to hear from anyone who has in the past 30 years visited and
used Amateur Radio  from Market Reef (Märket) in Aland archipelago.

I have been visiting Aland Islands for a few years now and have written
reports and articles about Amateur Radio there for a number of publications
(CQ DL, CQ, Practical Wireless, QST, RadCom, WorldRadio and others).
Recently I have been approached by several persons asking about Market Reef
so I am presently doing research on this subject.

I have never visited Market Reef and have no plans for it.

I am interested in first-hand impressions, write ups, accounts,
descriptions, reports - short and long. Links to web published stories and
pictures are appreciated.

Thanks in advance, (please response to my e-mail address, not to the list)

Henryk SM0JHF
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[DX-CHAT] Concern (long)

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I've been bothered by something that came in the mail today.  I can't quite
put my finger on what it is... so I'm going to risk throwing it out to the
group to see what you think.  I could well be over-reacting, I don't know.

Before I say another word... let me be very clear that I am not upset with
or picking on the individual in question.  I actually have the utmost
respect for him and his abilities as a DX'er and DX'peditioner.  Which is
probably part of why this is bothering me.

In today's mail were my QSL cards from St. Bart's from G3TXF.  Very nice
looking cards, and I am thankful to Nigel both for working me and for
responding so quickly to my request.  That's not the problem.

Also included in the envelope was a note from Nigel to support making Kosovo
a DXCC entity... and a pre-printed post card addressed to K1ZZ as an open
letter to try and persuade him to change the DXCC rules as they currently
stand, to add Kosovo to the list of entities.  (I thought they preferred
Kosova?  I'll stick to Kosovo for now, just to be consistent)

Frankly, and again with all due respect to Nigel and the other recent
operators, I find this a little unsettling, to say the least.

There are a couple of things that bother me.

First is that I don't necessarily agree with the wording of the post card...
that is to say, some of the statements made therein may well be true, but I
haven't personally checked them out, and as such would be loathe to claim
them as facts before doing so.  (Kind of like signing a save the
__ petition based on what you're told, not on what the petition
actually says because you didn't read it.  Just ask all the Star Trek fans
who successfully lobbied to have the first Space Shuttle named Enterprise,
without reading the fine print that the first one wouldn't actually fly into
space but was just a shell to test the aerodynamics!)

Second... look.  The DXCC eligibility rules are what they are.  You may not
agree with them, but I think that it is fair to say that the current DXCC
2000 rules that have been in effect for the last ~10 years, as amended,
have been applied consistently.  Yes -- in the past, some rules were open to
interpretation, and certain operations sometimes had a hint of, well,
backscratching -- you know, hey, you're my pal, do me a favor!  I don't
believe that that's the situation we have today.

So, we have a group that operated from Kosovo immediately after they
declared independance.  And yes, many governments around the world
recognized that declaration.  But -- and this is a big but -- none of the
trigger events cited in the past by the DXCC desk have taken place yet.
So by strict interpretation of the rules... let alone not so strict...
Kosovo doesn't go on the list - yet.  It may well one day... that is another
issue.  But not today.

The irony should not be lost that one of the operators of the Kosovo
operation was Martti OH2BH.  Martti, of course, was also one of the
operators of the first St. Bart's operation after it went on the list... not
after the political changes that France implemented, but after the trigger
event of the political change going on the US State Department's list of
dependencies.  And another operator was our own Bernie W3UR, who may be one
of the most knowledgeable DX'ers when it comes to the rules and regs around.
(Both are people I consider friends, and both are people I hold in the
highest regards).  So I think it would be fair to state that it can not be
said that no one on that team had prior knowledge of what is and is not
considered a trigger event.  (My High School English teachers will get me
for THAT run-on sentence one day!)

So, in light of this... what can this post card campaign really hope to
accomplish?

Should the ARRL be in the position to determine what is or isn't a country?
(That, after all, appeared to be one of the underlying reasons for adapting
the term entity instead of country)  I would think that the entire
purpose for relying on the US State Department list, or UN membership, or
even ITU prefix assignment (all trigger events) is to take the heat off
the League and the DXCC desk for that... for them to have a legitimate,
independant, non-amateur radio-related source to back them up.

Should Dave Sumner be in the position to over-rule the DXCC desk on this?
To do so would be to at least somewhat undermine the integrity of the DXCC
2000 rules, to say nothing of the folks actually running the program.  But
if he chooses to not act on, or even acknowledge, the cards, he then risks
being accused of ignoring the League membership and/or the DX community.  To
say nothing of reviving those old, ugly, and somewhat bigoted rumors and
slurs about how much influence Martti allegedly had over the DXCC program.

For some reason, I also keep having the original Swain's Island DXpedition
pop up in my thoughts.  This was the operation that tried to establish a
new IARU Society for American Samoa, to use that (now removed) rule 

RE: [DX-CHAT] P5/4L4FN

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

A5FU?  Interesting choice of a phony call sign.

My guess would be that the practical jokers just wanted to throw a loop out
at the assisted ops in the contest.  The gullible or tired may have bit on
it, but the smarter ops would have known to ignore it.

73
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  Did anyone else see  the cluster spots on P5/4L4FN yesterday at 2330Z by
A5FU and K1TX. What is that all about. I naturally doubt its validity, and
does anyone know these spotters and what their motive is??

  John Owens - N7TK

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Re: [DX-CHAT] VP6DX Log-Dupes

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

I'm sure that as time progresses, gaps will be filled in.

But I'll admit:  It's quite comforting to know that my 2 Q's are in the log!

Interesting, though, that they show only 20  30 as bands available for RTTY.  
Or am I misreading that?

73, ron w3wn
 
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It also appears that the log is incomplete.  Maybe next upload will have more 
previous Qs. Gerry
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 Among other things, the VP6DX log shows the stations with   the greatest 
band/mode slots. However, just underneath the chart with the   listing is a 
statement that dupes count negatively, apparently being deducted   from the 
worked totals on the   chart.
 
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RE: [DX-CHAT] N4OT

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Thanks to all who responded with information about Andy N4OT.  I've been
able to make contact with him and take care of the matter at hand.

Without getting into specifics, something was mailed to me that should have
gone to him.  I guess whomever was putting the labels together somehow got
his call and my last name mixed up, or got our labels mixed up, or whatever.
Andy is now aware that the information has been delayed but is on it's way.

Nice guy.  And I'm impressed.  He tells me that he's worked 160 Meter DXCC
(his 9th band) with 100 W on a Carolina Windom at 35 feet!

73

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Anyone on the list know Andrew N4OT, or better yet, have an email address
for him?

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[DX-CHAT] N4OT

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Anyone on the list know Andrew N4OT, or better yet, have an email address
for him?

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RE: [DX-CHAT] logs on laptops

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Actually, no it's not nonsense, John.

I've heard some stories about some of the actions that US Customs  Border 
Patrol have taken with certain individuals entering the country.  And there was 
a story about this on Ed Foster's GripeLine Blog over on Infoworld's site (see 
http://weblog.infoworld.com/gripeline/archives/2008/02/laptop_searches.html ).

You may not know Ed Foster, but trust me, he wouldn't talk about this without 
solid background information.  

So there is some validity with the general suggestion to be cautious when 
entering the US with a laptop.

The slightly racist wisecrack, however, should be ignored.

73, ron w3wn

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It's also nonsense, from a habitual US basher and list troll.

John K5MO

 lmecseri -KE1F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 What a sad but good advise for today's age.
 
 Lou   KE1F
 
 Charles Harpole wrote:
  Now that it is common knowledge that US Customs Agents (and maybe 
  other countries' agents) can and will search and even seize travelers' 
  laptop computers at border crossings, it is even more important for 
  DXpeditions, and others, to store their computer logs in several 
  places and several media to avoid loss or delayed access.
 
  When entering the US, let the white guy carry the computer.  73
 
  Charles Harpole
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RE: [DX-CHAT] Ungrateful

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Actually Dan, I do want to go there.  But before I do that...

I can see that I didn't make myself clear enough.  That's no one's fault but
mine, as I was just jotting off a few quick thoughts while taking a break
from something else, and in the process, shortchanged myself.

Now, to get on my soapbox (long commentary follows!):

I should have been clearer that the lowering of licensing requirements is
ONE, but not the ONLY, reason that this nonsense goes on.  One of many.

Yes, some of these bozos have been doing this for 10, 15, 20, 30 years.  I
can still recall the day I sat at my college club station, on 20 SSB around
0430 Z, working a mini-pileup of people who wanted to work us (mainly west
coast) and getting jammed by some of these same lids.  That was in 1976. So
it's nothing new.

I can still remember the Saturday when a station from Mozambique popped up,
on schedule, back on the old 15 meter Snooky's Net [please, no lectures on
DX nets, I've long since learned my lesson] back in the days when they were
just getting back on the air and on very limited operating permission.  The
word had gotten out ahead of time, though, and as soon as the C9 gave his
call, total bedlam occurred.  By the time the dust had settled, it was about
a half hour later, the net for the day was destroyed, and the C9 was long
gone -- a half hour of blind calling  calling  calling and no listening.
That was back in the mid-1980's, as I recall -- I know I was still married
to the first wife at the time.

But it has gotten worse.  Much worse.

Now some of these guys have been licensed for a long time.  Some, however,
are new or returning DX'ers.  Some just don't care.  Some have adapted the
me first and the heck with you attitude -- I won't bore you with personal
examples of those.  And I agree -- they should have no excuse with that much
license time behind them.  But are they experienced?

Yes, many ops from the last 10-15-20 + years have come into Amateur Radio
from the CB ranks.  I know quite a few (I wasn't, never had any interest in
CB, I ran into the ARS first).  Contrary to some popular belief, I don't
think that background is a detriment, and most of the ex-CB'ers I know,
including quite a few operators in my club, well, if you didn't know, you
wouldn't know.

Still... I will maintain that a significant portion of poor operating -- I
won't say the vast majority, I won't say most, I won't even say more than
half, but a significant portion nonetheless -- comes from inexperienced
operators who have not been mentored or Elmered to any degree.  And I hasten
to add, this is not a code/no-code issue, as this predates the inital
no-code VHF Tech licenses in the US.  My observation of both local hams and
hams I've talked to on the air is that there has been a general trend in
that many (not most, not all, but many) have not had any significant contact
with their local hams or amateur radio club, outside perhaps of a hamfest
visit or two, until they've shown up with for their VE test.  Often
clutching the Gordon West or Now You're Talking or similar book, and
little else.

What's worse is that many of these guys (and gals for that matter) show
little interest, after passing their test, in joining up with a local club
or non-club group.  Many of them show up on the local repeater (once they've
figured out the PL tones, at least) and show no sense of etiquette.  I've
had newcommers break into an existing conversation to inquire about our
whereabouts, or where we were going, and so forth -- not only not paying
attention to the existing conversation, but in one case I was involved in,
for example, being so wrapped up in the hey, listen to me! syndrome, they
neglected to notice that the conversation was giving directions to a funeral
home for the viewing of a ham's XYL.  Sounds funny when you read it, but it
wasn't at the time.  Try and tell these folks anything, and they get rude,
and you get branded snotty.

On the air, many of this gang want it all -- now.  They hear the DX, they
want to work the DX.  They don't know how to work split, or how to listen,
or what EU ONLY or Listening for 4's Only etc. mean.  They don't care.
They just want it now.  They don't get it now, they get mad, and then things
get worse.

That many of these induhviduals have been licensed a long time doesn't mean
much.  Some of them are new upgrades, taking advantage of the more relaxed
licensing requirements.  Of course, as I said before, some are jerks who've
been around for years, including some characters that have given certain
parts of 75 and 20 meters a bad name.  And again, some of these guys are
venturing into new territory, and haven't bothered to take the time to
listen and listen and hear how it's done.  (And sometimes these are recycled
calls, and we still think of the OT A1 type op who used to hold the call,
and not realize that this is now someone else)

Now anyone on this list can cite a specific example of an induhvidual who is
an exception 

RE: [DX-CHAT] Romney dismisses Amateur radio

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Whoa!

This subject does NOT relate to DX'ing.  It does not belong on this list.

If you wish to participate in this discussion, it is ongoing in the QRZ.COM
forums.

But not here.

Thanks guys!

73, ron w3wn
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  Subject: [DX-CHAT] Romney dismisses Amateur radio


  Romney Disses Amateur Radio In Televised Town Meeting (and why he won't
get my vote)

  Worth reading for any ham.
  Jim

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[DX-CHAT] Administrivia: Political Discussions

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Gang,

One of the most volatile topics that any two (or more) human beings can
start a discussion on is politics.

In an election year, especially a US Presidential Election Year that we are
now in, it is far too easy for facts and innuendo to becoming mixed and
mis-interpreted as one instead of the other.  To say nothing of
distortions... what is politely called these days spin... mudslinging,
character assasination, and downright lying.

A perfect example of this is the thread on a certain candidate that was
started earlier tonight and that should be considered terminated.  The
candidate's statements that were the thrust of the thread were made over two
years ago in the context of emergency communications failures in his home
state.  This was not readily apparent in the message header, and at least
one comment that made it through before the thread was terminated was
clearly taking the statements at face value and not within context.

The bottom line is this:  There are plenty of places on the Internet for
political discussions, including those directly or indirectly or
tangentially involving the Amateur Radio Service.  This list is not one of
them.

Please respect your fellow reflector members by holding politically oriented
discussions where they are appropriate.  Again, this reflector is not one of
those places.

Thank you for your understanding.

73, ron w3wn
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[DX-CHAT] Logbook of the World

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

Anyone know why Logbook of the World has been down for maintenance since
at least yesterday late morning?

I first thought it was just to make adjustments for St. Barts... but even if
that was the case, I'd've thought it would be back by now.

I don't want to bug anyone working on it if there is a problem -- better
they spend their time fixing things than explaining things.  Just wondering
if anyone had heard anything?

(Of course, Murphy's Law guarantees that by the time you see this, the
system will probably be back up... one can hope...)

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of the World

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

FYI, it's back up.  I even seemed to have gained a confirmation!

73

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Anyone know why Logbook of the World has been down for maintenance since
at least yesterday late morning?

I first thought it was just to make adjustments for St. Barts... but even if
that was the case, I'd've thought it would be back by now.

I don't want to bug anyone working on it if there is a problem -- better
they spend their time fixing things than explaining things.  Just wondering
if anyone had heard anything?

(Of course, Murphy's Law guarantees that by the time you see this, the
system will probably be back up... one can hope...)

73, ron w3wn



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