Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

2008-07-01 Thread DAVE WHITE
Ain't nobody getting any younger, Dave!  At least if they are, he should patent 
his secret and sell it.
   
  On a serious point, I felt that it was always the older members of the hobby 
who wished to preserve cw as an entry criterion for the HF bands - something 
which I always considered to be ridiculous (no, I'm NOT trying to re-open the 
code/no-code debate).
   
  Interestingly, I always said that there was no way I'd ever mess about 
operating cw, and only did the test to get my ticket.  The mode held no 
interest for me at all.  But then one day I bought an all-mode TNC at a hamfest 
- actually to send/receive RTTY - so I hooked it up to my computer and started 
to use it.  Incidentally it also worked for cw, so it rather got me into 
using the mode on the bands just out of interest.
   
  Strangely, I look at my log book these days and I'd say that cw is the mode 
that I use the most.  As you imply, it's probably an age thing.  I still send 
from the keyboard, though use Human Brain Mark #1 for decoding.  More grey 
hairs - of which I now have many - means more cw operating, perhaps?
   
  I shall practice sitting on my porch, barking at passers-by and waving my 
stick at passing traffic in between sending with a bug key.  Will I then be a 
fully-fledged, 100 percent cw op? ..
   
  cheers
   
  Dave G0OIL


David Rollitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  HI,
   
  I recently made a few QSO's during the All Asia CW test, the exchange in the 
AA Test is RS(T) and Age for OM's.
  Having checked my contacts I found the average age was 49.1!!
  I wonder if anyone else checked their contacts this way.
   
  It will be interesting to do the same thing with the SSB test coming up ( I 
think) in September.
   
  73
  David G3XYP

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RE: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

2008-07-01 Thread n2rra
Glad this subject came up! Still more or less being considered young in this 
hobby at age 33 going on 23 I hold the highest regaurd for preserving the 
foundation of Amatuer Radio. Such as for CW for instance I think it's the most 
important mode just for our sole purpose which we can make great use of besides 
in emergency  communications. 

Like many of us real CW operators if there were an emergency and we knew at the 
other end of the Red Cross line there were another Ham op. I would hope that if 
CW were my last hope at getting a message across i'd have a chance right? 
WRONG! I can't wait for them to load up HRD or some other type of program when 
I may have a few seconds or minute to get the code across.

I'm a CW operator my response oh yeah! What type of keyer do you use? 
theirs Keyer! I use a keyboard What!!

Folks! Just because you use a keyboard  for CW does not make you CW operators 
unless you can receive and send CW with some sort of keyer. Any fool can send 
with a keyboard, but when put to test can you step up? 

My belief and point about the code and no code exams were always about the 
points I mentioned above. Plus! The fact that it was the most effcient mode and 
comes in handy every time. Those students people  always made it about 
nostalgia or personal. So now that you have a keyboard  and interface CW all of 
a sudden is the mode used mostly for many? Gee! I wonder why.

73!

-Original Message-
From: DAVE WHITE [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: July 01, 2008 5:17 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

Ain't nobody getting any younger, Dave!  At least if they are, he should patent 
his secret and sell it.
 
On a serious point, I felt that it was always the older members of the hobby 
who wished to preserve cw as an entry criterion for the HF bands - something 
which I always considered to be ridiculous (no, I'm NOT trying to re-open the 
code/no-code debate).
 
Interestingly, I always said that there was no way I'd ever mess about 
operating cw, and only did the test to get my ticket.  The mode held no 
interest for me at all.  But then one day I bought an all-mode TNC at a hamfest 
- actually to send/receive RTTY - so I hooked it up to my computer and started 
to use it.  Incidentally it also worked for cw, so it rather got me into 
using the mode on the bands just out of interest.
 
Strangely, I look at my log book these days and I'd say that cw is the mode 
that I use the most.  As you imply, it's probably an age thing.  I still send 
from the keyboard, though use Human Brain Mark #1 for decoding.  More grey 
hairs - of which I now have many - means more cw operating, perhaps?
 
I shall practice sitting on my porch, barking at passers-by and waving my stick 
at passing traffic in between sending with a bug key.  Will I then be a 
fully-fledged, 100 percent cw op? ..
 
cheers
 
Dave G0OIL


David Rollitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
HI,
 
I recently made a few QSO's during the All Asia CW test, the exchange in the AA 
Test is RS(T) and Age for OM's.
Having checked my contacts I found the average age was 49.1!!
I wonder if anyone else checked their contacts this way.
 
It will be interesting to do the same thing with the SSB test coming up ( I 
think) in September.
 
73
David G3XYP
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

2008-07-01 Thread Shelby Summerville
N2RRA sarcastically wrote: Folks! Just because you use a keyboard for CW does 
not make you CW operators unless you can receive and send CW with some sort of 
keyer. Any fool can send with a keyboard, but when put to test can you step up?

While opinions are like another part of the anatomy, we all have one, and most 
of them stink! I really have no idea how what is used to send, or receive has 
anything to do with CW ops getting older? My CW may not be the best, but I copy 
with my ears, and use a keyboard to send. If that makes me a fool, I can live 
with that.
Personally, I find computer generated CW, far easier to copy.

C'Ya, Shelby - K4WW


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Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

2008-07-01 Thread Barry
Another thing to consider - CW ops may be getting older in NA, but in E. 
EU, they are still going strong with new young recruits.  When I 
participated in the IARU High Speed Telegraphy competition a few years 
ago, I was very surprised by the number of kids (YLs too!) participating.


As an example, check out some of the RUFZ scores at 
http://www.rufzxp.net/toplist.htm
Score #1 by LZ2CWW, a YL under 16 yo, has a top speed of 745 CPM (which 
equals 149 WPM!!)


Barry W2UP

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Glad this subject came up! Still more or less being considered young 
in this hobby at age 33 going on 23 I hold the highest regaurd for 
preserving the foundation of Amatuer Radio. Such as for CW for 
instance I think it's the most important mode just for our sole 
purpose which we can make great use of besides in emergency 
communications.


Like many of us real CW operators if there were an emergency and we 
knew at the other end of the Red Cross line there were another Ham op. 
I would hope that if CW were my last hope at getting a message across 
i'd have a chance right? WRONG! I can't wait for them to load up HRD 
or some other type of program when I may have a few seconds or minute 
to get the code across.


I'm a CW operator my response oh yeah! What type of keyer do you 
use? theirs Keyer! I use a keyboard What!!


Folks! Just because you use a keyboard for CW does not make you CW 
operators unless you can receive and send CW with some sort of keyer. 
Any fool can send with a keyboard, but when put to test can you step up?


My belief and point about the code and no code exams were always about 
the points I mentioned above. Plus! The fact that it was the most 
effcient mode and comes in handy every time. Those students people 
always made it about nostalgia or personal. So now that you have a 
keyboard and interface CW all of a sudden is the mode used mostly for 
many? Gee! I wonder why.


73!


From: DAVE WHITE [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: July 01, 2008 5:17 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

Ain't nobody getting any younger, Dave!  At least if they are, he 
should patent his secret and sell it.
 
On a serious point, I felt that it was always the older members of the 
hobby who wished to preserve cw as an entry criterion for the HF bands 
- something which I always considered to be ridiculous (no, I'm NOT 
trying to re-open the code/no-code debate).
 
Interestingly, I always said that there was no way I'd ever mess about 
operating cw, and only did the test to get my ticket.  The mode held 
no interest for me at all.  But then one day I bought an all-mode 
TNC at a hamfest - actually to send/receive RTTY - so I hooked it up 
to my computer and started to use it.  Incidentally it also worked for 
cw, so it rather got me into using the mode on the bands just out of 
interest.
 
Strangely, I look at my log book these days and I'd say that cw is the 
mode that I use the most.  As you imply, it's probably an age thing.  
I still send from the keyboard, though use Human Brain Mark #1 for 
decoding.  More grey hairs - of which I now have many - means more cw 
operating, perhaps?
 
I shall practice sitting on my porch, barking at passers-by and waving 
my stick at passing traffic in between sending with a bug key.  Will I 
then be a fully-fledged, 100 percent cw op? ..
 
cheers
 
Dave G0OIL



*/David Rollitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

HI,
 
I recently made a few QSO's during the All Asia CW test, the

exchange in the AA Test is RS(T) and Age for OM's.
Having checked my contacts I found the average age was 49.1!!
I wonder if anyone else checked their contacts this way.
 
It will be interesting to do the same thing with the SSB test

coming up ( I think) in September.
 
73

David G3XYP

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

2008-07-01 Thread Zack Widup

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, DAVE WHITE wrote:


Ain't nobody getting any younger, Dave!  At least if they are, he should patent 
his secret and sell it.



Well, I have this photo that I keep stashed away in the attic ...
:-)

Seriously, I find it's a little more difficult for me to stay awake all 
night like I used to during contests. Must have something to do with age 
...



 On a serious point, I felt that it was always the older members of the hobby 
who wished to preserve cw as an entry criterion for the HF bands - something 
which I always considered to be ridiculous (no, I'm NOT trying to re-open the 
code/no-code debate).

 Interestingly, I always said that there was no way I'd ever mess about operating cw, and 
only did the test to get my ticket.  The mode held no interest for me at all.  But then 
one day I bought an all-mode TNC at a hamfest - actually to send/receive RTTY - so I 
hooked it up to my computer and started to use it.  Incidentally it also worked for cw, 
so it rather got me into using the mode on the bands just out of interest.

 Strangely, I look at my log book these days and I'd say that cw is the mode 
that I use the most.  As you imply, it's probably an age thing.  I still send 
from the keyboard, though use Human Brain Mark #1 for decoding.  More grey 
hairs - of which I now have many - means more cw operating, perhaps?

 I shall practice sitting on my porch, barking at passers-by and waving my 
stick at passing traffic in between sending with a bug key.  Will I then be a 
fully-fledged, 100 percent cw op? ..

 cheers

 Dave G0OIL



Once I learned CW as a Novice it got in my blood. It's still the mode I 
use 99% of the time. I have nothing against anyone else's decision not to 
use it and the dropping of the requirement on the test is just water 
under the bridge.  What REALLY saddens me is that out of about 15 ops on 
Field Day this year at our K9CU operation, I was the ONLY one who worked 
CW! So if you worked K9CU on FD on 20 or 40 CW, it was me.


73, Zack W9SZ


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Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

2008-07-01 Thread Kurt Zimmerman
I will agree with you there.  Second best means of copying is my Vibroplex 
paddle w/ built-in keyer in the rig.

Contesting  DX chasing a keyboard is the only way to go.  Yup, copy with the 
ears... still have to translate it anyway be it writing it in a paper log 
or typing it into the logging program.

73;
w2mw

Kurt W. Zimmerman
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 From: Shelby Summerville [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?
 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
 Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 8:23 AM
 N2RRA sarcastically wrote: Folks! Just because you use
 a keyboard for CW does not make you CW operators unless you
 can receive and send CW with some sort of keyer. Any fool
 can send with a keyboard, but when put to test can you step
 up?
 
 While opinions are like another part of the anatomy,
 we all have one, and most of them stink! I
 really have no idea how what is used to send, or receive
 has anything to do with CW ops getting older? My CW may not
 be the best, but I copy with my ears, and use a keyboard to
 send. If that makes me a fool, I can live with
 that.
 Personally, I find computer generated CW, far
 easier to copy.
 
 C'Ya, Shelby - K4WW
 
 
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RE: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

2008-07-01 Thread DAVE WHITE
Ah, I can only be a REAL CW op if I use a straight key, right? I see now.
   
  And because I hit nails in with my fist rather than using a hammer or, God 
forbid, a nailgun it makes me a REAL carpenter, right?  Er
   
  Actually that'd be a great party trick, don't you think?  A bit like John 
Belushi crushing a beer can on his head in National Lampoon's Animal House - 
another trick that I've always wished I could do :-)
   
  Dave

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Glad this subject came up! Still more or less being considered young in 
this hobby at age 33 going on 23 I hold the highest regaurd for preserving the 
foundation of Amatuer Radio. Such as for CW for instance I think it's the most 
important mode just for our sole purpose which we can make great use of besides 
in emergency communications. 

Like many of us real CW operators if there were an emergency and we knew at the 
other end of the Red Cross line there were another Ham op. I would hope that if 
CW were my last hope at getting a message across i'd have a chance right? 
WRONG! I can't wait for them to load up HRD or some other type of program when 
I may have a few seconds or minute to get the code across.

I'm a CW operator my response oh yeah! What type of keyer do you use? 
theirs Keyer! I use a keyboard What!!

Folks! Just because you use a keyboard for CW does not make you CW operators 
unless you can receive and send CW with some sort of keyer. Any fool can send 
with a keyboard, but when put to test can you step up? 

My belief and point about the code and no code exams were always about the 
points I mentioned above. Plus! The fact that it was the most effcient mode and 
comes in handy every time. Those students people always made it about nostalgia 
or personal. So now that you have a keyboard and interface CW all of a sudden 
is the mode used mostly for many? Gee! I wonder why.

73!

  
-
  From: DAVE WHITE [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: July 01, 2008 5:17 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

  Ain't nobody getting any younger, Dave!  At least if they are, he should 
patent his secret and sell it.
   
  On a serious point, I felt that it was always the older members of the hobby 
who wished to preserve cw as an entry criterion for the HF bands - something 
which I always considered to be ridiculous (no, I'm NOT trying to re-open the 
code/no-code debate).
   
  Interestingly, I always said that there was no way I'd ever mess about 
operating cw, and only did the test to get my ticket.  The mode held no 
interest for me at all.  But then one day I bought an all-mode TNC at a hamfest 
- actually to send/receive RTTY - so I hooked it up to my computer and started 
to use it.  Incidentally it also worked for cw, so it rather got me into 
using the mode on the bands just out of interest.
   
  Strangely, I look at my log book these days and I'd say that cw is the mode 
that I use the most.  As you imply, it's probably an age thing.  I still send 
from the keyboard, though use Human Brain Mark #1 for decoding.  More grey 
hairs - of which I now have many - means more cw operating, perhaps?
   
  I shall practice sitting on my porch, barking at passers-by and waving my 
stick at passing traffic in between sending with a bug key.  Will I then be a 
fully-fledged, 100 percent cw op? ..
   
  cheers
   
  Dave G0OIL


David Rollitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
HI,
   
  I recently made a few QSO's during the All Asia CW test, the exchange in the 
AA Test is RS(T) and Age for OM's.
  Having checked my contacts I found the average age was 49.1!!
  I wonder if anyone else checked their contacts this way.
   
  It will be interesting to do the same thing with the SSB test coming up ( I 
think) in September.
   
  73
  David G3XYP

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

2008-07-01 Thread Norm Gertz
Shelby...I am remembering some of my old friends who could not use a key 
any longer following a stroke or other ailment.
The keyboard allowed them to continue the mode that they loved so well and 
help to perpetuate a great skill.


73   Norm  K1AA


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To: dx-chat@njdxa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?


I will agree with you there.  Second best means of copying is my Vibroplex 
paddle w/ built-in keyer in the rig.


Contesting  DX chasing a keyboard is the only way to go.  Yup, copy with 
the ears... still have to translate it anyway be it writing it in a 
paper log or typing it into the logging program.


73;
w2mw

Kurt W. Zimmerman
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From: Shelby Summerville [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 8:23 AM
N2RRA sarcastically wrote: Folks! Just because you use
a keyboard for CW does not make you CW operators unless you
can receive and send CW with some sort of keyer. Any fool
can send with a keyboard, but when put to test can you step
up?

While opinions are like another part of the anatomy,
we all have one, and most of them stink! I
really have no idea how what is used to send, or receive
has anything to do with CW ops getting older? My CW may not
be the best, but I copy with my ears, and use a keyboard to
send. If that makes me a fool, I can live with
that.
Personally, I find computer generated CW, far
easier to copy.

C'Ya, Shelby - K4WW


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Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

2008-07-01 Thread Win
I chat with a paddle, but, in a big DX pile, I usually go to the keyboard. 
I just don't have the stamina to go for long hours on the paddle anymore. 
Also I can no longer send much above 30 wpm,  If the DX op is much above 35 
WPM, I just about have to go to the keyboard.  Most of the DXpeditions  are 
using a keyboard anyway.


When I first started using a keyboard about five years ago, I had some 
reluctance.  These days, however, I think it is acceptable, even if not 
accepted in some purest circles.


Win,  W0LZ


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Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?


I will agree with you there.  Second best means of copying is my Vibroplex 
paddle w/ built-in keyer in the rig.


Contesting  DX chasing a keyboard is the only way to go.  Yup, copy with 
the ears... still have to translate it anyway be it writing it in a 
paper log or typing it into the logging program.


73;
w2mw

Kurt W. Zimmerman
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From: Shelby Summerville [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 8:23 AM
N2RRA sarcastically wrote: Folks! Just because you use
a keyboard for CW does not make you CW operators unless you
can receive and send CW with some sort of keyer. Any fool
can send with a keyboard, but when put to test can you step
up?

While opinions are like another part of the anatomy,
we all have one, and most of them stink! I
really have no idea how what is used to send, or receive
has anything to do with CW ops getting older? My CW may not
be the best, but I copy with my ears, and use a keyboard to
send. If that makes me a fool, I can live with
that.
Personally, I find computer generated CW, far
easier to copy.

C'Ya, Shelby - K4WW


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[DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

2008-06-30 Thread David Rollitt
HI,

I recently made a few QSO's during the All Asia CW test, the exchange in the AA 
Test is RS(T) and Age for OM's.
Having checked my contacts I found the average age was 49.1!!
I wonder if anyone else checked their contacts this way.

It will be interesting to do the same thing with the SSB test coming up ( I 
think) in September.

73
David G3XYP

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

2008-06-30 Thread Shelby Summerville
There only seems to be one alternative to getting older? Personally, I much 
prefer getting older, than the alternative?  :)

C'Ya, Shelby - K4WW

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

2008-06-30 Thread Jack - K4WSB

I know I am !

At 09:50 AM 6/30/2008, David Rollitt wrote:

HI,

I recently made a few QSO's during the All Asia CW test, the 
exchange in the AA Test is RS(T) and Age for OM's.

Having checked my contacts I found the average age was 49.1!!
I wonder if anyone else checked their contacts this way.

It will be interesting to do the same thing with the SSB test coming 
up ( I think) in September.


73
David G3XYP


Jack Hartley
K4WSB / VP2MSB
ARRL - QCWA - OOTC
DXCC Honor Roll


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Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

2008-06-30 Thread David Yarnes
David and All,

Intuitively, I agree with your conclusion.  The ham population in general seems 
to be getting older, and with CW being optional now, it doesn't surprise me a 
bit that younger folks are MIA's.  You might post a summary of your responses.  
It would be interesting.

Dave W7AQK

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Rollitt 
  To: dx-chat@njdxa.org 
  Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 6:50 AM
  Subject: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?


  HI,

  I recently made a few QSO's during the All Asia CW test, the exchange in the 
AA Test is RS(T) and Age for OM's.
  Having checked my contacts I found the average age was 49.1!!
  I wonder if anyone else checked their contacts this way.

  It will be interesting to do the same thing with the SSB test coming up ( I 
think) in September.

  73
  David G3XYP

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Are CW ops getting older?

2008-06-30 Thread Barry

We're all getting older, but CW ops are getting better!
Barry W2UP

Jack - K4WSB wrote:

I know I am !

At 09:50 AM 6/30/2008, David Rollitt wrote:

HI,
 
I recently made a few QSO's during the All Asia CW test, the exchange 
in the AA Test is RS(T) and Age for OM's.

Having checked my contacts I found the average age was 49.1!!
I wonder if anyone else checked their contacts this way.
 
It will be interesting to do the same thing with the SSB test coming 
up ( I think) in September.
 
73

David G3XYP


Jack Hartley
K4WSB / VP2MSB
ARRL - QCWA - OOTC
DXCC Honor Roll

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