Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues
On Jun 29, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Zack Widup wrote: What is the FWS trying to do, anyway? Are they trying to deliberately prohibit AMATEUR RADIO operations there specifically? Why aren't they trying to prohibit drug runners from using the island? I'm sure radio amateurs are more conscientious of the environment than the drug runners. Some inquiring minds want to know. Perhaps prevent taxpayer money from funding amateur radio DXpeditions in the future? My read on this may be all wrong, but it sure sounds like Uncle Sam funded a good part of this excursion. Am I wrong? - Jeff, KE9V Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues
I believe a lot of state agencies have taken their lead from U.S. Government agencies like U.S. Fish and Wildlife. Empires have been build in state governments that prohibit taxpayers from fishing,hunting, camping, hiking, etc as they might damage something but mainly it would make these empire builders unemployed. Look at the federal government agency that controls ocean fishing. Now there is a real bureaucracy. Rod WC7N - Original Message - From: Jeffrey Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues On Jun 29, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Zack Widup wrote: What is the FWS trying to do, anyway? Are they trying to deliberately prohibit AMATEUR RADIO operations there specifically? Why aren't they trying to prohibit drug runners from using the island? I'm sure radio amateurs are more conscientious of the environment than the drug runners. Some inquiring minds want to know. Perhaps prevent taxpayer money from funding amateur radio DXpeditions in the future? My read on this may be all wrong, but it sure sounds like Uncle Sam funded a good part of this excursion. Am I wrong? - Jeff, KE9V Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues
At 06:56 PM 06/29/2006, Jeffrey Davis wrote: Perhaps prevent taxpayer money from funding amateur radio DXpeditions in the future? My read on this may be all wrong, but it sure sounds like Uncle Sam funded a good part of this excursion. Jeff, KE9V Yes, your read on this is wrong. This was NOT a DXpedition. I was at Kam's presentation in Dayton and talked to him afterwards as well. Essentially, he and Dave were involved with installing certain hardware that helps Uncle Sam keep a leg up on the Bad Guys. They operated in their spare time and were working for the government helping keep us safe or acting in the nation's best interests. I have NO problem with that. More power to 'em, IMHO. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Permission issues
Too much assuming going on on this whole issue I think. To many unknown facts to make fair judgments. Carl K8AV Jeffrey Davis wrote: On Jun 29, 2006, at 6:56 PM, Gary McClellan wrote: Just like the feds are funding ops from the GI's operating from Iraq and Afghanistan? Uncle Sam pisses away millions of more bux than this little op they guys managed to get landing permission for while doing contract work. This is one of the few times I can say my tax dollars did some freakin' good for me for a change. Cripes. Egos be damned. Egos? Iraq and Afghanistan. Huh? I'm just trying to sort this out ... from what I've read, two guys who are government contractors weasel a free trip (on Uncle Sam) to a place where they probably shouldn't be - at least not for ham radio operating, all in the name of government work. About the time their little operation gets rolling, somebody in West Virginia rats them out. Weasel a free trip Am I missing something here? These guys do contract work in the employ of a subcontractor if I understand things correctly. Many DX ops from rare and not so rare do, the fact is they had a valid reasonn to be there and needed NO authorization other than their US amateur licenses to opearate. Boy, waht a luxury trip we taxpayers paid for. Meanwhile, the response of many of the leading DXers in the US seems to be to get even with the guy who ratted the operation out with somewhat less concern for condemning the ill-advised nature of the operation and how this might endanger future DXpeditions. Ill advised? Am I missing something here? The person who made it a federal case (ego) is the one who caused the damage in this case. Have I summed it up correctly or am I missing something? No and Yes. Sorry we diagree Jeff.. 73, Gary K7ZD Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues
--Peter that is WONDERFUL and I assume (ass u me) that you are right... I read all of the published articles and it said nothing about a JOB. WC7N --- Original Message - From: Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeffrey Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues At 06:56 PM 06/29/2006, Jeffrey Davis wrote: Perhaps prevent taxpayer money from funding amateur radio DXpeditions in the future? My read on this may be all wrong, but it sure sounds like Uncle Sam funded a good part of this excursion. Jeff, KE9V Yes, your read on this is wrong. This was NOT a DXpedition. I was at Kam's presentation in Dayton and talked to him afterwards as well. Essentially, he and Dave were involved with installing certain hardware that helps Uncle Sam keep a leg up on the Bad Guys. They operated in their spare time and were working for the government helping keep us safe or acting in the nation's best interests. I have NO problem with that. More power to 'em, IMHO. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues
At 09:28 PM 06/29/2006, WC7N wrote: --Peter that is WONDERFUL and I assume (ass u me) that you are right... I read all of the published articles and it said nothing about a JOB. I don't know any more than what I gleaned from Kam's 20+ minute presentation of from the nice chat I had with him that night in the contesters' suite, but the gist of it was that indeed he's a specialist with certain technology and there are uses for what he does in that region. If I recall the presentation correctly, it was a brutal trip down (the boat was something confiscated by the feds from a smuggler, apparently) and neither of them got any sleep for almost 96 hours; it was humid and hot as hell the whole time and there were giant rats all over the place that make the Clipperton land crabs look cute and cuddly in comparison. Here's hoping Uncle Sam needs some nice spiffy new hardware on Navassa some day Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues
It was mentioned in their original announcement of the trip to KP5. I suspect that the hams involved aren't really able to talk much about that aspect (I could tell you but then I'd have to shoot you), although the New York Times will probably have a full report. 73 - Bob, N7XY On Jun 29, 2006, at 6:28 PM, WC7N wrote: --Peter that is WONDERFUL and I assume (ass u me) that you are right... I read all of the published articles and it said nothing about a JOB. WC7N --- Original Message - From: Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeffrey Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues At 06:56 PM 06/29/2006, Jeffrey Davis wrote: Perhaps prevent taxpayer money from funding amateur radio DXpeditions in the future? My read on this may be all wrong, but it sure sounds like Uncle Sam funded a good part of this excursion. Jeff, KE9V Yes, your read on this is wrong. This was NOT a DXpedition. I was at Kam's presentation in Dayton and talked to him afterwards as well. Essentially, he and Dave were involved with installing certain hardware that helps Uncle Sam keep a leg up on the Bad Guys. They operated in their spare time and were working for the government helping keep us safe or acting in the nation's best interests. I have NO problem with that. More power to 'em, IMHO. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx- chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx- chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues
Well I am really pleased that the ham that attended Dayton, Ohio's ham fest this year have a much better understanding of the Fish and Wild Life service than the rest of the world's hams Goes to figureAt my age go ahead and shoot me but be honest with the real details. I lived and worked in Dayton for 10 years and attended every year and though it was just the world's biggest flea market... Rod WC7N - Original Message - From: Bob Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues It was mentioned in their original announcement of the trip to KP5. I suspect that the hams involved aren't really able to talk much about that aspect (I could tell you but then I'd have to shoot you), although the New York Times will probably have a full report. 73 - Bob, N7XY On Jun 29, 2006, at 6:28 PM, WC7N wrote: --Peter that is WONDERFUL and I assume (ass u me) that you are right... I read all of the published articles and it said nothing about a JOB. WC7N --- Original Message - From: Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeffrey Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues At 06:56 PM 06/29/2006, Jeffrey Davis wrote: Perhaps prevent taxpayer money from funding amateur radio DXpeditions in the future? My read on this may be all wrong, but it sure sounds like Uncle Sam funded a good part of this excursion. Jeff, KE9V Yes, your read on this is wrong. This was NOT a DXpedition. I was at Kam's presentation in Dayton and talked to him afterwards as well. Essentially, he and Dave were involved with installing certain hardware that helps Uncle Sam keep a leg up on the Bad Guys. They operated in their spare time and were working for the government helping keep us safe or acting in the nation's best interests. I have NO problem with that. More power to 'em, IMHO. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx- chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx- chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Permission issues
Yes, and I can think of at least 3 or 4 immediately. I used to get the football scores for one of them while he was far away from home. 73, Zack W9SZ On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, N4BAA - Jose Castillo wrote: What's the big deal? I have been sent to Iraq, GodDanmistan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Somalia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Suadi Arabia etcJUST TO NAME A FEW.all on the taxpaxers DOLLARand no one is complaining about me operating on MY off time from some of those places. I would have done the same thing if I thought I could get away with it! DX on... N4BAA - Jose Castillo Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
