[DX-CHAT] A disgrace to Ham radio

2007-10-19 Thread Paul M Dunphy
Today, on 10.104 MHz, C52C was QRV, listening up.  A class 
operation by class operators.  However, as soon as the spots started 
on the clusters, the jammers and fools showed up and zero beat their 
transmit frequency.


Carriers, someone trying to play the theme from The Lone 
Ranger with the with his paddles, another one sending 5-second 
dashes, etc.  This kept up for 10-15 minutes and the C52C finally 
went QRT because no one came back to them.  No one could hear them.


This is now normal.  Look at 14.195 MHz.  Look at the transmit 
frequency of any DXpedition.  It's always the same.  The difference 
between today and 10-20 years ago is that it is 10 times worse and 
rarely do the QRMers let up.


Now I happen to have a beam on 30, and I swung it around and the 
QRM was coming from NA.  We like to blame other countries for this 
stuff, but the blame lies right here in Canada and the United 
States.  The reason is LACK OF ENFORCEMENT.  That's right, 
kiddies.  LACK OF ENFORCEMENT.  20 years ago, if you did that, the 
FCC and then DOC (now IC) would DF you and a van would pull up in 
your yard.  That was the end of your Ham career.  Today there is NO 
ENFORCEMENT of the rules and regulations.  When there is NO 
ENFORCEMENT, there is NO FEAR of repercussions.  I really don't know 
why Hams like to QRM others, and years ago I gave up trying to figure 
out why.  Kinda like trying to figure out killers kill and thieves 
steal, and I'll leave that up to the psychiatrists.


It is because there is NO ENFORCEMENT of the Ham laws in Canada 
and the US (or anywhere else as far as I can tell.)  Unless we 
somehow get the message across to our respective governments that a 
small portion of our tax dollars ought to go back to ENFORCEMENT OF 
THE RULES AND REGULATIONS, then we might as well kiss this hobby good 
bye.  It has become a joke.


And no, I do not need C5 anywhere from 160 through 10, so I'm 
not PO'ed because I missed anything.  I'm PO'ed at whichever group of 
pinheads made the decision to reallocate resources that previously 
were used to enforce Ham laws for something else.  That decision 
started us on the road to the end of Ham radio, and we are nearly there.


73/DX Paul VE!DX



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Re: [DX-CHAT] a disgrace to ham radio

2007-10-19 Thread Dan Zimmerman N3OX
I guess the only solution is to ignore if you can and steal their pleasure.

If we could get every single ham who wanted to work the DX to have
infinite patience and totally ignore the jammers, they'll go away.

The DX will always hear everyone in a split pile, and there will
always be a good fraction of the pileup that can hear the DX and not
the jammer just like I could on 40m.

If no one sends UP or LID or the FU I've heard a few times, then
the jammer is just going to hear the DX soldier on in the face of
jamming, apparently unhurt.

It won't cure the problem (some jammers are very persistent) but it
will help if they generally think they're too weak to be heard.

I can't explain why things have gotten so much worse lately, unless
the general downturn in society in general.

I don't know either but there is something I've observed.  Some DX
operations get almost NO jamming, some are jammed constantly.  I don't
think it has much to do with the loudness or rarity of the expedition.

That smacks of a deeper story than people are jerks

I think some jamming is probably specifically targeted at certain
individuals or DX groups for personal reasons.

5L2MS has had fierce pileups but I haven't heard much intentional
transmission on their TX frequency, have you?

They're mind-bendingly loud in NA too on some bands...in Western
Africa and in great demand, and yet, I heard a fair bit of intentional
jamming on C52C on 40 and now this report of the same on 30.

What's the difference?  Maybe I'm wrong, maybe 5L2MS is getting jammed
just as much, but I haven't noticed that if it's true.

Dan


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Re: [DX-CHAT] A disgrace to Ham radio

2007-10-19 Thread Dan Zimmerman N3OX
My experience listening to C52C on 40m was that the jammers couldn't
touch 'em ;-)

Tuners, intentional QRM, other such BS and C52C was just sailing over 'em.

Doesn't let the QRMers off the hook, but it is something I like to hear.

Dan


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[DX-CHAT] a disgrace to ham radio

2007-10-19 Thread Duane, WV2B
 
While I agree with the observations, amateurs cannot expect these government 
agencies to solve our problems. They do not have the money, personnel, or 
interest to soend on something so trivial in the grand scheme of things {not 
trivial to us, but to them}.
What can we do? Well, I can't help but notice that the Official Observer post 
for the Maritimes is vacant, and has been for as long as I can remember. Also 
many other areas of Canada as well. One reason may be that there are way less 
problems in Canada than the US in general. Also, I'm not sure what kind of 
promotion RAC gives the program, or how well it supports its volunteers. It 
does have a different slant from the US program, relying almost excusively on 
positive reinforcement, and not encouraging advisory notices at all. But that 
is somewhat off subject, as the stations in question do not id, hence cannot 
respond to any type of voluntary compliance efforts.
That said, I can say the FCC can and will enforce regualtions in the US. But, 
and its a big but, the amateur community must supply foolproof and lawsuit 
proof evidence before they will act. The burden is on us. If we can provide 
reliable evidence usable in court and reviewed by the legal department of the 
ARRL first, they will act. When you see the enforcement letters which reference 
evidence they have regarding violations it is often the result of many hours of 
evidence gathering on the part of Official Observers around the country.
The type of interference described is virtually immpossible to refer to the 
FCC, unless perhaps an OO lives next door to a perpetrator. It is of very short 
duration, unidentified, and maybe not repeated until the next big DXpedition 
{we know it has to be fellow DXers}. To expect the FCC to send out a van to 
track down such interference would be ridiculous.
So, what is the solution? I don't know, do you? I can't explain why things have 
gotten so much worse lately, unless the general downturn in society in general. 
many people have no regard for anyone but themselves. There is no quick fix for 
that. Perhaps better training early would help, but then most serious problems 
originate with htose holding the highest class licenses, who have been licensed 
for many years, and perhaps passeda 20 WPM code test. These jammers also would 
seem to have built up a respectable station if they can cause that much havock. 
They are not the newbies with a vertical and 100 watts.
I guess the only solution is to ignore if you can and steal their pleasure. If 
you can't, then do what you have to to make contacts somewhere. Swift and sure 
justice might cause some to mend their ways. Then again, I have heard examples 
where operators knew they were being monitored and evidence gathered and they 
keep right on, even after FCC station inspections, warning letters, etc. There 
is a certain segment that just have emotional problems, ego problems, or 
whatever, and refuse to become a part of polite society.
Any ideas of combating the problem are encouraged.
73,
Duane, WV2B {VA1ZZZ}
www.sabledx.com

The reward of a thing well done is to have done it.- 
Ralph Waldo Emerson


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