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Commercialisation: Does that include writing books about your dxpeditions and then selling those books? I wonder where the profits of my purchase of up 2 went? Maybe I should have demanded my copy for free. 73 Don N1DG At 01:17 PM 5/20/2012, ragnar otterstad wrote: Hello Don I dont know more than what I read, but I am sure you will put everything in perspective. We are an who look forward to that. Perhaps it yet again all boils down to the old trans-atlantic cultural divide. QSLing habits, charitable donations, commercialisation are all different in USA than anywhere else in the world. 73 Rag LA5HE Well do you know the context of the sentence being quoted? Or the fact that I was referring to a study of over 20 dxpeditions including one that uploaded within a week of the end of operations? You will note the phrase uploading early is not in the sentence you quoted me as saying. I was asked about a six month upload timeframe. I think you might ask someone for some Clarification of his remarks before publicly questioning what he does or does not know. Don N1DG On May 20, 2012, at 7:37 AM, ragnar otterstad mailto:la...@yahoo.nola...@yahoo.no wrote: How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to LoTW? He has never tried it! Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway. 73 de Roger/G3SXW. From: Tom Wylie Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM To: Trevor Dunne Cc: Roger Western ; mailto:c...@yahoogroups.comc...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their position, and can be considered a red herring. In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving hundreds via the buro in addition. Tom GM4FDM On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote: Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last night it was a talk on DXpedition funding, NCDXF (@NCDXF) 19/05/2012 20:10 Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: âThe minute the LOTW upload happens, you might as well close the bank account.â Goes against the general feeling posted here, Trevor EI2GLB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/joinhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.comcdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.comcdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: mailto:cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.comcdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to mailto:imail...@njdxa.orgimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org/http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- Please consider the environment before printing this email Don Greenbaum Aurum Telemedia Co. 27 Pill Hill Lane, Duxbury, MA 02332 phone: 781 934 5534 Aurum London: 319 EndsleIgh Court, London, UK Cell: 44 7583 493529 Aurum Middle East: Qatar Cell: 97150 553 5228 www.gulftrackservices.com www.aurumtel.com www.artificialcognition.com
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Let us compare apples with apples To the best of my knowledge, the team G3WSXW/G3TXF never asked for financial support. But they always QSL-ed 100 %, direct or via buro, and uploaded to LOTW. A modus operandi greatly appreciated. 73 rag Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] F Y I Commercialisation: Does that include writing books about your dxpeditions and then selling those books? I wonder where the profits of my purchase of up 2 went? Maybe I should have demanded my copy for free. 73 Don N1DG At 01:17 PM 5/20/2012, ragnar otterstad wrote: Hello Don I dont know more than what I read, but I am sure you will put everything in perspective. We are an who look forward to that. Perhaps it yet again all boils down to the old trans-atlantic cultural divide. QSLing habits, charitable donations, commercialisation are all different in USA than anywhere else in the world. 73 Rag LA5HE Well do you know the context of the sentence being quoted? Or the fact that I was referring to a study of over 20 dxpeditions including one that uploaded within a week of the end of operations? You will note the phrase uploading early is not in the sentence you quoted me as saying. I was asked about a six month upload timeframe. I think you might ask someone for some Clarification of his remarks before publicly questioning what he does or does not know. Don N1DG On May 20, 2012, at 7:37 AM, ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no wrote: How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to LoTW? He has never tried it! Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway. 73 de Roger/G3SXW. From: Tom Wylie Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM To: Trevor Dunne Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their position, and can be considered a red herring. In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving hundreds via the buro in addition. Tom GM4FDM On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote: Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last night it was a talk on DXpedition funding, NCDXF (@NCDXF) 19/05/2012 20:10 Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: ”The minute the LOTW upload happens, you might as well close the bank account.” Goes against the general feeling posted here, Trevor EI2GLB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- Please consider the environment before printing this email Don Greenbaum Aurum Telemedia Co. 27 Pill Hill Lane, Duxbury, MA 02332 phone: 781 934 5534 Aurum London: 319 EndsleIgh Court, London, UK Cell: 44 7583 493529 Aurum Middle East: Qatar Cell: 97150 553 5228 www.gulftrackservices.com www.aurumtel.com www.artificialcognition.com
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Isn't the sea full of red herrings just now. Its you're choice whether or not you buy a book.If I want to keep my No 1 Honor Roll, then I need confirmation of a QSO.I have two choices - wait for 1 year on an LOTW upload, or send OQRS $5 for a card I dont want and then have to find a field checker and send a paper claim to ARRL. I thought this was supposed to be the electronic age. Tom GM4FDM On 21/05/2012 13:18, Don Greenbaum wrote: Commercialisation: Does that include writing books about your dxpeditions and then selling those books? I wonder where the profits of my purchase of up 2 went? Maybe I should have demanded my copy for free. 73 Don N1DG At 01:17 PM 5/20/2012, ragnar otterstad wrote: Hello Don I dont know more than what I read, but I am sure you will put everything in perspective. We are an who look forward to that. Perhaps it yet again all boils down to the old trans-atlantic cultural divide. QSLing habits, charitable donations, commercialisation are all different in USA than anywhere else in the world. 73 Rag LA5HE Well do you know the context of the sentence being quoted? Or the fact that I was referring to a study of over 20 dxpeditions including one that uploaded within a week of the end of operations? You will note the phrase uploading early is not in the sentence you quoted me as saying. I was asked about a six month upload timeframe. I think you might ask someone for some Clarification of his remarks before publicly questioning what he does or does not know. Don N1DG On May 20, 2012, at 7:37 AM, ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no mailto:la...@yahoo.no wrote: How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to LoTW? He has never tried it! Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway. 73 de Roger/G3SXW. From: Tom Wylie Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM To: Trevor Dunne Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.com mailto:c...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their position, and can be considered a red herring. In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving hundreds via the buro in addition. Tom GM4FDM On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote: Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last night it was a talk on DXpedition funding, NCDXF (@NCDXF) 19/05/2012 20:10 Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: âEUR?The minute the LOTW upload happens, you might as well close the bank account.âEUR? Goes against the general feeling posted here, Trevor EI2GLB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com mailto:cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com mailto:cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org mailto:imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org http://njdxa.org/ --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org http://njdxa.org/ --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org http://njdxa.org/ --- */P/**/lease
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Hi Tom: I agree with your stance on timely LOTW submissions. I support the 6 month rule. However, it is your choice to ask for a confirmation now or wait for it. The Colvin Award (administered by the ARRL) states 12 months uploads. Complaining about the $5 is that red herring. What's next, demanding free admission into Hamfair 2012 in Friedrichshafen because you have a right to see the shiny new boxes that cost thousands of dollars and buy the great beer (also costs $5)? See where this goes? See you in FN next month and we can discuss this further over that beer. I'll buy. Don N1DG At 08:49 AM 5/21/2012, Tom Wylie wrote: Isn't the sea full of red herrings just now. Its you're choice whether or not you buy a book.If I want to keep my No 1 Honor Roll, then I need confirmation of a QSO.I have two choices - wait for 1 year on an LOTW upload, or send OQRS $5 for a card I dont want and then have to find a field checker and send a paper claim to ARRL. I thought this was supposed to be the electronic age. Tom GM4FDM On 21/05/2012 13:18, Don Greenbaum wrote: Commercialisation: Does that include writing books about your dxpeditions and then selling those books? I wonder where the profits of my purchase of up 2 went? Maybe I should have demanded my copy for free. 73 Don N1DG At 01:17 PM 5/20/2012, ragnar otterstad wrote: Hello Don I dont know more than what I read, but I am sure you will put everything in perspective. We are an who look forward to that. Perhaps it yet again all boils down to the old trans-atlantic cultural divide. QSLing habits, charitable donations, commercialisation are all different in USA than anywhere else in the world. 73 Rag LA5HE Well do you know the context of the sentence being quoted? Or the fact that I was referring to a study of over 20 dxpeditions including one that uploaded within a week of the end of operations? You will note the phrase uploading early is not in the sentence you quoted me as saying. I was asked about a six month upload timeframe. I think you might ask someone for some Clarification of his remarks before publicly questioning what he does or does not know. Don N1DG On May 20, 2012, at 7:37 AM, ragnar otterstad mailto:la...@yahoo.nola...@yahoo.no wrote: How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to LoTW? He has never tried it! Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway. 73 de Roger/G3SXW. From: Tom Wylie Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM To: Trevor Dunne Cc: Roger Western ; mailto:c...@yahoogroups.comc...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their position, and can be considered a red herring. In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving hundreds via the buro in addition. Tom GM4FDM On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote: Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last night it was a talk on DXpedition funding, NCDXF (@NCDXF) 19/05/2012 20:10 Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: âThe minute the LOTW upload happens, you might as well close the bank account.â Goes against the general feeling posted here, Trevor EI2GLB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/joinhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.comcdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.comcdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: mailto:cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.comcdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to mailto:imail...@njdxa.orgimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org/http://njdxa.org
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How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to LoTW? He has never tried it! Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway. 73 de Roger/G3SXW. From: Tom Wylie Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM To: Trevor Dunne Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their position, and can be considered a red herring. In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving hundreds via the buro in addition. Tom GM4FDM On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote: Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last night it was a talk on DXpedition funding, NCDXF (@NCDXF) 19/05/2012 20:10 Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: ”The minute the LOTW upload happens, you might as well close the bank account.” Goes against the general feeling posted here, Trevor EI2GLB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
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I have 48,613 QSO records in my LOTW log. I also have 19,108 QSL records. That is a 39% match. Considering the cost of a new QSL confirmation of $2-$3 U.S. dollars, ARRL's LOTW is a cost effective alternative to paper QSL. My 2c worth of observation Lou On 5/20/2012 9:11 AM, char...@thegallos.com wrote: Sent from my phone, please excuse any mistakes 73 de KG2V - Reply message - From: ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no To: dx-chat dx-chat@njdxa.org, d...@dxhf.darc.de d...@dxhf.darc.de Cc: dx-qsl dx-...@mailman.qth.net Subject: [DX-CHAT] F Y I Date: Sun, May 20, 2012 7:37 am How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to LoTW? He has never tried it! Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway. 73 de Roger/G3SXW. From: Tom Wylie Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM To: Trevor Dunne Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.com mailto:c...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their position, and can be considered a red herring. In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving hundreds via the buro in addition. Tom GM4FDM On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote: Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last night it was a talk on DXpedition funding, NCDXF (@NCDXF) 19/05/2012 20:10 Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: ”The minute the LOTW upload happens, you might as well close the bank account.” Goes against the general feeling posted here, Trevor EI2GLB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups..com mailto:cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com mailto:cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com mailto:cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
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Not excactly rocket science, so even I understand and agree ! Hi 73 rag la5he I have 48,613 QSO records in my LOTW log. I also have 19,108 QSL records. That is a 39% match. Considering the cost of a new QSL confirmation of $2-$3 U.S. dollars, ARRL's LOTW is a cost effective alternative to paper QSL. My 2c worth of observation Lou On 5/20/2012 9:11 AM, char...@thegallos.com wrote: Sent from my phone, please excuse any mistakes 73 de KG2V - Reply message - From: ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no To: dx-chat dx-chat@njdxa.org, d...@dxhf.darc.de d...@dxhf.darc.de Cc: dx-qsl dx-...@mailman.qth.net Subject: [DX-CHAT] F Y I Date: Sun, May 20, 2012 7:37 am How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to LoTW? He has never tried it! Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway. 73 de Roger/G3SXW. From: Tom Wylie Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM To: Trevor Dunne Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their position, and can be considered a red herring. In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving hundreds via the buro in addition. Tom GM4FDM On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote: Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last night it was a talk on DXpedition funding, NCDXF (@NCDXF) 19/05/2012 20:10 Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: ”The minute the LOTW upload happens, you might as well close the bank account.” Goes against the general feeling posted here, Trevor EI2GLB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups..com cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
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Administrative note: Folks, this is an argument from another set of reflectors that was dropped in here. If you wish to reply, keep in mind that YOU may not have privileges on the other reflectors, so your comments won't be read by those intended to see it, AND you will get bounce backs. That's one of the reasons that the no cross posting rule on this reflector exists. Thanks for your understanding. And I will now take off my administrative hat, and make my own personal comments, in a separate email. 73, ron w3wn Administrator, DX Chat _ From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of ragnar otterstad Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:38 AM To: dx-chat; d...@dxhf.darc.de Cc: dx-qsl Subject: [DX-CHAT] F Y I How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to LoTW? He has never tried it! Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway. 73 de Roger/G3SXW. From: Tom Wylie Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM To: Trevor Dunne Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their position, and can be considered a red herring. In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving hundreds via the buro in addition. Tom GM4FDM On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote: Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last night it was a talk on DXpedition funding, NCDXF (@NCDXF) 19/05/2012 20:10 Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: The minute the LOTW upload happens, you might as well close the bank account. Goes against the general feeling posted here, Trevor EI2GLB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
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With all due respect to Roger, who's opinion I do respect. the comments quoted below from N1DG are taken out of context. If the context had been clearer, he might not have asked the question. Doug's presentation yesterday at the DX Forum, which led off all of the presentations, was on the cost of major DXpeditions. It was an analysis of at least 20-25 such groups over the last few years, data that they voluntarily provided to him, or were required to provide as part of the donation conditions given to them by NCDXF and other DX foundations. If I recall correctly, the time span was about 20 years - and my only quibble with his data is that I don't believe that he adjusted the numbers for inflation. With that in mind, also consider that he explicitly stated that as the treasurer for one of the groups involved, it was HIS observation based on the QSL requests that crossed HIS desk, that the donations contributions that came with QSL requests dwindled from a few a day to almost nothing, once the major log upload to Logbook of the World happened. And, several of the groups he talked with told him the same thing - nor did it matter if the LotW upload was 3 months, 6 months, or a year after the trip was over. Is this true for every group? Probably not, as there are many unique factors in every DXpedition. One can argue about sample size, and other factors. But, that's not the point. Roger may well ask how does Doug know, but only because the original tweet took one single line, out of context. And that context explained, in detail, how he did so. Finally, Doug also stated that his analysis, and the PowePoint presentation he used, would be made available on the NCDXF web site. I'm sure it's going to take him a few days, between getting home and recovering from Dayton, but it will be there. I'd respectfully suggest that if anyone disagrees with his numbers or analysis, take a look at it FIRST and then discuss it - with Doug. 73, ron w3wn _ From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of ragnar otterstad Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:38 AM To: dx-chat; d...@dxhf.darc.de Cc: dx-qsl Subject: [DX-CHAT] F Y I How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to LoTW? He has never tried it! Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway. 73 de Roger/G3SXW. From: Tom Wylie Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM To: Trevor Dunne Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their position, and can be considered a red herring. In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving hundreds via the buro in addition. Tom GM4FDM On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote: Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last night it was a talk on DXpedition funding, NCDXF (@NCDXF) 19/05/2012 20:10 Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: The minute the LOTW upload happens, you might as well close the bank account. Goes against the general feeling posted here, Trevor EI2GLB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
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Well do you know the context of the sentence being quoted? Or the fact that I was referring to a study of over 20 dxpeditions including one that uploaded within a week of the end of operations? You will note the phrase uploading early is not in the sentence you quoted me as saying. I was asked about a six month upload timeframe. I think you might ask someone for some Clarification of his remarks before publicly questioning what he does or does not know. Don N1DG On May 20, 2012, at 7:37 AM, ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no wrote: How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to LoTW? He has never tried it! Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway. 73 de Roger/G3SXW. From: Tom Wylie Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM To: Trevor Dunne Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their position, and can be considered a red herring. In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving hundreds via the buro in addition. Tom GM4FDM On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote: Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last night it was a talk on DXpedition funding, NCDXF (@NCDXF) 19/05/2012 20:10 Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: ”The minute the LOTW upload happens, you might as well close the bank account.” Goes against the general feeling posted here, Trevor EI2GLB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
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Hello Don I dont know more than what I read, but I am sure you will put everything in perspective. We are an who look forward to that. Perhaps it yet again all boils down to the old trans-atlantic cultural divide. QSLing habits, charitable donations, commercialisation are all different in USA than anywhere else in the world. 73 Rag LA5HE Well do you know the context of the sentence being quoted? Or the fact that I was referring to a study of over 20 dxpeditions including one that uploaded within a week of the end of operations? You will note the phrase uploading early is not in the sentence you quoted me as saying. I was asked about a six month upload timeframe. I think you might ask someone for some Clarification of his remarks before publicly questioning what he does or does not know. Don N1DG On May 20, 2012, at 7:37 AM, ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no wrote: How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to LoTW? He has never tried it! Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway. 73 de Roger/G3SXW. From: Tom Wylie Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM To: Trevor Dunne Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their position, and can be considered a red herring. In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving hundreds via the buro in addition. Tom GM4FDM On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote: Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last night it was a talk on DXpedition funding, NCDXF (@NCDXF) 19/05/2012 20:10 Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: ”The minute the LOTW upload happens, you might as well close the bank account.” Goes against the general feeling posted here, Trevor EI2GLB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
