[DX-CHAT] Vedr: funding the DXpedition
Dr Charles IMHO there is no human right to go on a DXpedition. If we cannot afford it, there will no operation. If somebody has or can get the means, and has the inclination, all very good. I just dont like the idea of not uploading to lOTW unless. It goes against the spirit of hamradio, in my wiev. 73 and good luck Rag la5he Hey Rag, the problem for me in S E Asia and being retired, it is the lack of funding UP FRONT during the planning phase. I am struggling to find about $6,000 usd to travel repeatedly to Myanmar Burma to talk to the right people in the right way to launch a big DXpedition there. I think money can come in, BUT MY PROBLEM IS WHAT IF THE PLAN FAILS? The money is spent, no refunds possible, and no operation. Advance funding is somewhat possible, but if the effort fails, there will be no money to refund. Do u have any ideas about that situation? de HS0ZCW, Charly Harpole k4...@hotmail.com Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 12:37:30 +0100 From: la...@yahoo.no Subject: [DX-CHAT] F Y I To: dx-chat@njdxa.org; d...@dxhf.darc.de CC: dx-...@mailman.qth.net How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to LoTW? He has never tried it! Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway. 73 de Roger/G3SXW. From: Tom Wylie Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM To: Trevor Dunne Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.commailto:c...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their position, and can be considered a red herring. In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving hundreds via the buro in addition. Tom GM4FDM On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote: Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last night it was a talk on DXpedition funding, NCDXF (@NCDXF) 19/05/2012 20:10 Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: ”The minute the LOTW upload happens, you might as well close the bank account.” Goes against the general feeling posted here, Trevor EI2GLB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.commailto:cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.commailto:cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.commailto:cdxc-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Vedr: funding the DXpedition
This seems to me a manifestation of the entitlement mentality as it relates to
ham radio and dx-peditions? Financial support should be gratuitous, not a
pre-requisite and a group which withholds qsls pending receipt of money from
individual for confirmation of a contact is essentially extortion (e.g., ST0R).
Just my 2 cents
k1VSK
- Original Message -
From: ragnar otterstad
To: Charles Harpole ; DX Chat ; d...@dxhf.darc.de
Cc: dx qsl qsls
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 10:41 AM
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Vedr: funding the DXpedition
Dr Charles
IMHO there is no human right to go on a DXpedition. If we cannot afford it,
there will no operation. If somebody has or can get the means, and has the
inclination, all very good.
I just dont like the idea of not uploading to lOTW unless.
It goes against the spirit of hamradio, in my wiev.
73 and good luck
Rag la5he
Hey Rag, the problem for me in S E Asia and being retired, it is the lack of
funding UP FRONT during the planning phase. I am struggling to find about
$6,000 usd to travel repeatedly to Myanmar Burma to talk to the right people in
the right way to launch a big DXpedition there. I think money can come in, BUT
MY PROBLEM IS WHAT IF THE PLAN FAILS? The money is spent, no refunds possible,
and no operation.
Advance funding is somewhat possible, but if the effort fails, there will be
no money to refund. Do u have any ideas about that situation?
de HS0ZCW, Charly
Harpole
k4...@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 12:37:30 +0100
From: la...@yahoo.no
Subject: [DX-CHAT] F Y I
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org; d...@dxhf.darc.de
CC: dx-...@mailman.qth.net
How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading
early to LoTW? He has never tried it!
Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway.
73 de Roger/G3SXW.
From: Tom Wylie
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM
To: Trevor Dunne
Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.commailto:c...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E
Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there
are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical
logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their
position, and can be considered a red herring.
In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions
myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no
matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the
number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I
uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving
hundreds via the buro in addition.
Tom
GM4FDM
On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote:
Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last
night it was a talk on DXpedition funding,
NCDXF (@NCDXF)
19/05/2012 20:10
Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: ”The minute the LOTW
upload happens, you might as well close the bank account.”
Goes against the general feeling posted here,
Trevor
EI2GLB
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Vedr: funding the DXpedition
QSLing has always been a business for some. For example, let's not forget some DX stations in Reunion and Lebanon, and some QSL mgrs from France and Germany (at least THEY return a card). It has just become more blatant in recent years. Barry W2UP On 5/20/2012 9:27 AM, Don Berger wrote: This seems to me a manifestation of the entitlement mentality as it relates to ham radio and dx-peditions? Financial support should be gratuitous, not a pre-requisite and a group which withholds qsls pending receipt of money from individual for confirmation of a contact is essentially extortion (e.g., ST0R). Just my 2 cents k1VSK - Original Message - *From:* ragnar otterstad mailto:la...@yahoo.no *To:* Charles Harpole mailto:k4...@hotmail.com ; DX Chat mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org ; d...@dxhf.darc.de mailto:d...@dxhf.darc.de *Cc:* dx qsl qsls mailto:dx-...@mailman.qth.net *Sent:* Sunday, May 20, 2012 10:41 AM *Subject:* [DX-CHAT] Vedr: funding the DXpedition Dr Charles IMHO there is no human right to go on a DXpedition. If we cannot afford it, there will no operation. If somebody has or can get the means, and has the inclination, all very good. I just dont like the idea of not uploading to lOTW unless. It goes against the spirit of hamradio, in my wiev. 73 and good luck Rag la5he Hey Rag, the problem for me in S E Asia and being retired, it is the lack of funding UP FRONT during the planning phase. I am struggling to find about $6,000 usd to travel repeatedly to Myanmar Burma to talk to the right people in the right way to launch a big DXpedition there. I think money can come in, BUT MY PROBLEM IS WHAT IF THE PLAN FAILS? The money is spent, no refunds possible, and no operation. Advance funding is somewhat possible, but if the effort fails, there will be no money to refund. Do u have any ideas about that situation? de HS0ZCW, Charly Harpole k4...@hotmail.com mailto:k4...@hotmail.com Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 12:37:30 +0100 From: la...@yahoo.no mailto:la...@yahoo.no Subject: [DX-CHAT] F Y I To: dx-chat@njdxa.org mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org; d...@dxhf.darc.de mailto:d...@dxhf.darc.de CC: dx-...@mailman.qth.net mailto:dx-...@mailman.qth.net How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to LoTW? He has never tried it! Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway. 73 de Roger/G3SXW. From: Tom Wylie Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM To: Trevor Dunne Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.com mailto:c...@yahoogroups.commailto:c...@yahoogroups.com mailto:c...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their position, and can be considered a red herring. In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving hundreds via the buro in addition. Tom GM4FDM On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote: Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last night it was a talk on DXpedition funding, NCDXF (@NCDXF) 19/05/2012 20:10 Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: ”The minute the LOTW upload happens, you might as well close the bank account.” Goes against the general feeling posted here, Trevor EI2GLB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDXC/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.commailto:cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:cdxc-dig...@yahoogroups.com cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com mailto:cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.commailto:cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com mailto:cdxc-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: cdxc-unsubscr
