Re: [DX-CHAT] What! BS7H LOTW
Well, here are two issues One is that I still think hams want it both ways when it comes to money and ham radio ops. We want to be saintly and above commerce on the one hand, but the other hand is EXPECTING a return on a dollar sent. I just think u can't have it both ways and some fact-facing is in order. Second the issue of my weakness is obvious ... and you will NEVER see a request for a K4VUD card to be answered by this BS operation.. Sure, I could claim someone else operated my station from America, but instead I was just weak and stupid. But, I hope I am not weak and stupid all the time, and my failures do not negate my other statements per se --- and your efforts to discredit legitimate commentary is beneath you. Doesn't everyone have at least a little glass in their houses ready for stones? 73 Charles Harpole, HS0ZCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] What! BS7H LOTW
Now that *is* a miracle, isn't it John K5MO At 10:31 PM 6/9/2007, Don Greenbaum wrote: Gee Charles. (snip) I noticed K4VUD is in the log, yet you were in HS land at the moment the QSO was made. Care to comment on that little feat while you are complaining about the DXCC program and abuses? 73 Don N1DG Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] What! BS7H LOTW
Gentlemen, Considering that this has the potential to become a volatile matter in a hurry: This is a Reminder that you must keep thing civil on this reflector. Notch back the volume, please, and let's not get too personal! 73, ron w3wn administrator, dx chat Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] What! BS7H LOTW
See the DX-News archives - QSOs were uploaded for Donors only. 73 - Jim AD1C Boy oh boy I got roasted when a friend posted for me a message that implied I needed cash for a 9N confirmation (not true). and now this (see above). Ham radio gotta come to terms with the cash side of DXing Yes, absolutely DXpeditions are for the wealthy (with time to spare, too), but the costs are very real regardless of resources. Issues that need careful thought : -real value prizes for ham contacts (or birthday celebrations or whatever). -donations that are really purchases. -contests that award with real value items. -cash for QSLs. -cash for LoTW. My 2 cents get over the idea that ham radio exists in an economic vacuum and just inject some honesty into the don't ask, don't tell game of $$$ for QSLs. One DXer(island op) told me flatly that any incoming card lacking cash was trashed immediately. My point-- we need an open discussion of this issue because it is getting worse and will do more so. 73 K4VUD _ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] What! BS7H LOTW
Gee Charles. What has you so excited? No one wrote you had to donate. In fact, we wrote in our press release it was a thank you for those who made this operation possible for the 45K qsos. After all the direct qsls are answered we are uploading the complete logs to LOTW for everyone. I noticed K4VUD is in the log, yet you were in HS land at the moment the QSO was made. Care to comment on that little feat while you are complaining about the DXCC program and abuses? 73 Don N1DG At 10:07 PM 6/9/2007, Charles Harpole wrote: Boy oh boy I got roasted when a friend posted for me a message that implied I needed cash for a 9N confirmation (not true). and now this (see above). Ham radio gotta come to terms with the cash side of DXing Yes, absolutely DXpeditions are for the wealthy (with time to spare, too), but the costs are very real regardless of resources. Issues that need careful thought : -real value prizes for ham contacts (or birthday celebrations or whatever). -donations that are really purchases. -contests that award with real value items. -cash for QSLs. -cash for LoTW. My 2 cents get over the idea that ham radio exists in an economic vacuum and just inject some honesty into the don't ask, don't tell game of $$$ for QSLs. One DXer(island op) told me flatly that any incoming card lacking cash was trashed immediately. My point-- we need an open discussion of this issue because it is getting worse and will do more so. 73 K4VUD _ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org - N1DG--Licensed since 1962 EX-WB2DND, A61AD (GUEST OP, QSL MGR), A52DG, /KH9, /BV, /VS6, /4X, /9V Pilot: VU7RG, 3Y0X, VK9ML, D68C, VK0IR, K8XP/KH9, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, ZL9CI Webmaster: BS7H, 3Y0X, K5K, A52A, VK0IR, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, WB2DND/KH9, BQ9P, ZL9CI QSL Manager: A61AD, A61AO, A61X, A61AQ 2006 inductee into the CQ Magazine DX Hall of Fame Member: FOC, ARRL, DDXA, YCCC Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] What! BS7H LOTW
At 10:07 PM 06/09/2007, Charles Harpole wrote: See the DX-News archives - QSOs were uploaded for Donors only. 73 - Jim AD1C Boy oh boy I got roasted when a friend posted for me a message that implied I needed cash for a 9N confirmation (not true). and now this (see above). Ham radio gotta come to terms with the cash side of DXing Yes, absolutely DXpeditions are for the wealthy (with time to spare, too), but the costs are very real regardless of resources. Issues that need careful thought : -real value prizes for ham contacts (or birthday celebrations or whatever). -donations that are really purchases. -contests that award with real value items. -cash for QSLs. -cash for LoTW. Well, in this instance this isn't cash for QSLs or LoTW. It's a nice gesture of thanks for those who donated ahead of time (they get their LoTW hits a few weeks before the cards come out). I got no problem with that, though I do wish I'd known this would have been the case ahead of time. I held off and sent a modest donation along with my card. From what the announcement said, after the bulk of the paper QSLs are mailed out, everything will get uploaded to Logbook. I have no problem with any operation doing a nice favour like this for those who were able to help them out before departure, just so long as the integrity of the log is never compromised and any requested QSL for a legitimate contact is sent. As it turned out this time, I couldn't afford to send a donation before they went (I was waiting for Uncle Sam to come through with our refund) so I just have to wait a few more weeks for the paper - and the electrons - to arrive. I have the satisfaction of knowing I did, ultimately, help this operation financially once I was able to do so, and I know from the online logs that my QSOs are all valid, so no biggie. Yes, there are more than a few hams out there who sell QSL cards or worse, collect green stamps, but that's a horse of a different colour, and my contempt for those individuals is well documented elsewhere. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
