Re: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa

2011-03-02 Thread Tom GM4FDM


I thought Bouvet was Norwegian and nothing whatsoever to do with the US 
Fish and Wildlife



Tom
GM4FDM

On 02/03/2011 00:28, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:


(Moving discussion to DX Chat)

Cedric,

When the US Fish  Wildlife Service decided to permit the Desecheo
operation, the impression left was that groups would be permitted to land on
  operate from both Desecheo and Navassa every few years.

A lot of this going forward was dependent on how well the entire Desecheo
operation went.  As far as I know, it went well.

But we are dealing with government bureaucrats who have their own standards
and their own way of doing things.  So all we can do is be patient and wait
for FWS to decide if  when to let the group go to Navassa.

73

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Jairam
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:30 AM
To: aishwarya1...@gmail.com
Cc: dx-n...@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] Bouvet and Navassa

Hi Cedric!

Bouvet was actually on air in 2008 (3Y0E). The op was a brand new ham
by the name of Petrus. He was a very weak signal on 20m phone but
workable from here.  I haven't heard of anything else since then.

Desecheo was a couple of years ago too but news about Navassa has been
pretty much slim to none. My guess is that activating Navassa would be
significantly more difficult than Desecheo. Here is the website of the
group that did KP5 - http://www.kp1-5.com/news.html

73
Ryan, N2RJ

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Aishwaryaaishwarya1...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hello,

There are the 2 last one I need for my DXCC.

Does anybody know if there is a DXpedition planned to these entities? I
remember that a few years ago a group was planning a trip to Bouvet but
posponed it due to work on the island by the norvegian authorities.

For KP1 (Navassa) I didn't hear anything. Maybe the group who activated

KP5

is trying to put KP1 on the air :-)

73, Cedric HB9HFN
http://www.hb9hfn.ch



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Re: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa

2011-03-02 Thread Ryan Jairam

There was an attempt to get Congress to open up KP1/5 but the bill
died in committee. That is one avenue to pursue if we can't persuade
FWS but it needs enough support.

__
Ryan, N2RJ
Via iPhone


On Mar 1, 2011, at 11:23 PM, Zack Widup w9sz.z...@gmail.com wrote:


 I keep hoping a big-time DXpedition can make it to Bouvet some day. I
 didn't work Chuck Brady and I didn't work the last operation there.
 It's one of the six I still haven't worked.
 :-(

 73, Zack W9SZ


 On 3/1/11, Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net wrote:

 (Moving discussion to DX Chat)

 Cedric,

 When the US Fish  Wildlife Service decided to permit the Desecheo
 operation, the impression left was that groups would be permitted to land on
  operate from both Desecheo and Navassa every few years.

 A lot of this going forward was dependent on how well the entire Desecheo
 operation went.  As far as I know, it went well.

 But we are dealing with government bureaucrats who have their own standards
 and their own way of doing things.  So all we can do is be patient and wait
 for FWS to decide if  when to let the group go to Navassa.

 73

 -Original Message-
 From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Jairam
 Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:30 AM
 To: aishwarya1...@gmail.com
 Cc: dx-n...@njdxa.org
 Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] Bouvet and Navassa

 Hi Cedric!

 Bouvet was actually on air in 2008 (3Y0E). The op was a brand new ham
 by the name of Petrus. He was a very weak signal on 20m phone but
 workable from here.  I haven't heard of anything else since then.

 Desecheo was a couple of years ago too but news about Navassa has been
 pretty much slim to none. My guess is that activating Navassa would be
 significantly more difficult than Desecheo. Here is the website of the
 group that did KP5 - http://www.kp1-5.com/news.html

 73
 Ryan, N2RJ

 On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Aishwarya aishwarya1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 There are the 2 last one I need for my DXCC.

 Does anybody know if there is a DXpedition planned to these entities? I
 remember that a few years ago a group was planning a trip to Bouvet but
 posponed it due to work on the island by the norvegian authorities.

 For KP1 (Navassa) I didn't hear anything. Maybe the group who activated
 KP5
 is trying to put KP1 on the air :-)

 73, Cedric HB9HFN
 http://www.hb9hfn.ch



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Re: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa

2011-03-02 Thread ragnar otterstad
 
We have our own buraucracy  !!
 
Norwegian Polar Instutute , reporting to the Ministry of environment !
 
Cu at Stirling next month ?
 
73  rag  la5he







Fra: Tom GM4FDM t...@gm4fdm.com
Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa
Til: 
Kopi: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Dato: Onsdag 2. mars 2011 12.19



I thought Bouvet was Norwegian and nothing whatsoever to do with the US Fish 
and Wildlife


Tom
GM4FDM

On 02/03/2011 00:28, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: 
 
(Moving discussion to DX Chat)

Cedric,

When the US Fish  Wildlife Service decided to permit the Desecheo
operation, the impression left was that groups would be permitted to land on
 operate from both Desecheo and Navassa every few years.

A lot of this going forward was dependent on how well the entire Desecheo
operation went.  As far as I know, it went well.

But we are dealing with government bureaucrats who have their own standards
and their own way of doing things.  So all we can do is be patient and wait
for FWS to decide if  when to let the group go to Navassa.

73

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Jairam
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:30 AM
To: aishwarya1...@gmail.com
Cc: dx-n...@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] Bouvet and Navassa

Hi Cedric!

Bouvet was actually on air in 2008 (3Y0E). The op was a brand new ham
by the name of Petrus. He was a very weak signal on 20m phone but
workable from here.  I haven't heard of anything else since then.

Desecheo was a couple of years ago too but news about Navassa has been
pretty much slim to none. My guess is that activating Navassa would be
significantly more difficult than Desecheo. Here is the website of the
group that did KP5 - http://www.kp1-5.com/news.html

73
Ryan, N2RJ

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Aishwarya aishwarya1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,

There are the 2 last one I need for my DXCC.

Does anybody know if there is a DXpedition planned to these entities? I
remember that a few years ago a group was planning a trip to Bouvet but
posponed it due to work on the island by the norvegian authorities.

For KP1 (Navassa) I didn't hear anything. Maybe the group who activated
KP5

is trying to put KP1 on the air :-)

73, Cedric HB9HFN
http://www.hb9hfn.ch



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Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa

2011-03-02 Thread Ron Notarius W3WN


I think we need an investigative journalist to find out WHY Fish  Wildlife staff for the Caribbean has ben so against ANYONE not with the agency ever officiallylanding on "their" islands.

One wonders if they are covering something up, or merely... overly enthusiastic, if not zealous,about doing their jobs.

There's been innuendo for years about how some of the staff uses the islands for their own purposesMar 2, 2011 07:18:43 AM, rjai...@gmail.com wrote:
There was an attempt to get Congress to open up KP1/5 but the billdied in committee. That is one avenue to pursue if we can't persuadeFWS but it needs enough support.__Ryan, N2RJVia iPhoneOn Mar 1, 2011, at 11:23 PM, Zack Widup wrote: I keep hoping a big-time DXpedition can make it to Bouvet some day. I didn't work Chuck Brady and I didn't work the last operation there. It's one of the six I still haven't worked. :-( 73, Zack W9SZ On 3/1/11, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: (Moving discussion to DX Chat) Cedric, When the US Fish  Wildlife Service decided to permit the Desecheo operation, the impression left was that groups would be permitted to land on  operate from both Desecheo and Navassa every few years. A lot of this going forward was dependent on how well the entire Desecheo operation went. As far as I know, it went well. But we are dealing with government bureaucrats who have their own standards and their own way of doing things. So all we can do is be patient and wait for FWS to decide if  when to let the group go to Navassa. 73 -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Jairam Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:30 AM To: aishwarya1...@gmail.com Cc: dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] Bouvet and Navassa Hi Cedric! Bouvet was actually on air in 2008 (3Y0E). The op was a brand new ham by the name of Petrus. He was a very weak signal on 20m phone but workable from here. I haven't heard of anything else since then. Desecheo was a couple of years ago too but news about Navassa has been pretty much slim to none. My guess is that activating Navassa would be significantly more difficult than Desecheo. Here is the website of the group that did KP5 - http://www.kp1-5.com/news.html 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Aishwarya wrote: Hello, There are the 2 last one I need for my DXCC. Does anybody know if there is a DXpedition planned to these entities? I remember that a few years ago a group was planning a trip to Bouvet but posponed it due to work on the island by the norvegian authorities. For KP1 (Navassa) I didn't hear anything. Maybe the group who activated KP5 is trying to put KP1 on the air :-) 73, Cedric HB9HFN http://www.hb9hfn.ch --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam, --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org---

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa, Desecheo

2011-03-02 Thread Fred Stevens K2FRD
 
Ron, I think I can answer that question without need for an investigative 
reporter: politics. I worked very closely with USFWS in my years with the US 
National Park Service as a wildlife biologist. Given the constantly changing 
political climate and the consequent usually dramatic changes in policies 
(e.g., should FWS change wolves, polar bear, grizzly bear, salmon, bison, 
Island Marble Butterfly, etc, etc from Endangered to Threatened or take them 
altogether off the List? Should mining and drilling be permitted in a National 
Wildlife Refuge?), the US Fish  Wildlife Service personnel, usually at the 
professional mid-management and field levels, are scared to death of doing or 
changing anything which might come back to bite them in the rear end one to ten 
years down the road. The do nothing option is the only choice they feel they 
have which will permit them to keep their jobs (and I know personnel who have 
lost their jobs by actually taking action on something). FWS is caught in the 
middle between hardcore environmentalists and committed open pit and petroleum 
miners. Most of the personnel can't be fired but if someone makes a decision 
that it would be OK to permit ham radio ops on Navassa or Desecheo Island, the 
risk is that someone might suddenly find their job has been eliminated. Thus, 
don't expect to see permitted operations on either island anytime soon. I hope 
I am wrong.

I believe it will indeed require an act of Congress before we see further 
DXpeditions to KP1/5. Good thing for me since Caribbean contacts are difficult 
from my particular Arizona QTH under current propagation conditions :-( .

73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS
Certified Wildlife Biologist, Retd


At 7:55 AM -0600 2/3/11, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
I think we need an investigative journalist to find out WHY Fish  Wildlife 
staff for the Caribbean has ben so against ANYONE not with the agency ever 
officially landing on their islands.
 
One wonders if they are covering something up, or merely... overly 
enthusiastic, if not zealous, about doing their jobs.
 
There's been innuendo for years about how some of the staff uses the islands 
for their own purposes


Mar 2, 2011 07:18:43 AM, rjai...@gmail.com wrote:


There was an attempt to get Congress to open up KP1/5 but the bill
died in committee. That is one avenue to pursue if we can't persuade
FWS but it needs enough support.

__
Ryan, N2RJ
Via iPhone


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RE: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa

2011-03-01 Thread Ron Notarius W3WN
 
(Moving discussion to DX Chat)

Cedric,

When the US Fish  Wildlife Service decided to permit the Desecheo
operation, the impression left was that groups would be permitted to land on
 operate from both Desecheo and Navassa every few years.

A lot of this going forward was dependent on how well the entire Desecheo
operation went.  As far as I know, it went well.

But we are dealing with government bureaucrats who have their own standards
and their own way of doing things.  So all we can do is be patient and wait
for FWS to decide if  when to let the group go to Navassa.

73

-Original Message-
From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Jairam
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:30 AM
To: aishwarya1...@gmail.com
Cc: dx-n...@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] Bouvet and Navassa

Hi Cedric!

Bouvet was actually on air in 2008 (3Y0E). The op was a brand new ham
by the name of Petrus. He was a very weak signal on 20m phone but
workable from here.  I haven't heard of anything else since then.

Desecheo was a couple of years ago too but news about Navassa has been
pretty much slim to none. My guess is that activating Navassa would be
significantly more difficult than Desecheo. Here is the website of the
group that did KP5 - http://www.kp1-5.com/news.html

73
Ryan, N2RJ

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Aishwarya aishwarya1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 There are the 2 last one I need for my DXCC.

 Does anybody know if there is a DXpedition planned to these entities? I
 remember that a few years ago a group was planning a trip to Bouvet but
 posponed it due to work on the island by the norvegian authorities.

 For KP1 (Navassa) I didn't hear anything. Maybe the group who activated
KP5
 is trying to put KP1 on the air :-)

 73, Cedric HB9HFN
 http://www.hb9hfn.ch



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Re: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa

2011-03-01 Thread Zack Widup

I keep hoping a big-time DXpedition can make it to Bouvet some day. I
didn't work Chuck Brady and I didn't work the last operation there.
It's one of the six I still haven't worked.
:-(

73, Zack W9SZ


On 3/1/11, Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net wrote:

 (Moving discussion to DX Chat)

 Cedric,

 When the US Fish  Wildlife Service decided to permit the Desecheo
 operation, the impression left was that groups would be permitted to land on
  operate from both Desecheo and Navassa every few years.

 A lot of this going forward was dependent on how well the entire Desecheo
 operation went.  As far as I know, it went well.

 But we are dealing with government bureaucrats who have their own standards
 and their own way of doing things.  So all we can do is be patient and wait
 for FWS to decide if  when to let the group go to Navassa.

 73

 -Original Message-
 From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Jairam
 Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:30 AM
 To: aishwarya1...@gmail.com
 Cc: dx-n...@njdxa.org
 Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] Bouvet and Navassa

 Hi Cedric!

 Bouvet was actually on air in 2008 (3Y0E). The op was a brand new ham
 by the name of Petrus. He was a very weak signal on 20m phone but
 workable from here.  I haven't heard of anything else since then.

 Desecheo was a couple of years ago too but news about Navassa has been
 pretty much slim to none. My guess is that activating Navassa would be
 significantly more difficult than Desecheo. Here is the website of the
 group that did KP5 - http://www.kp1-5.com/news.html

 73
 Ryan, N2RJ

 On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Aishwarya aishwarya1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 There are the 2 last one I need for my DXCC.

 Does anybody know if there is a DXpedition planned to these entities? I
 remember that a few years ago a group was planning a trip to Bouvet but
 posponed it due to work on the island by the norvegian authorities.

 For KP1 (Navassa) I didn't hear anything. Maybe the group who activated
 KP5
 is trying to put KP1 on the air :-)

 73, Cedric HB9HFN
 http://www.hb9hfn.ch



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Re: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa

2011-03-01 Thread ragnar otterstad
 
Since the last DX-pedition to Bouvet, the environmental attitude has changed 
also for that island.  Protecting seals has become an issue. Using tthe narrow 
beach will no longer be accepted, which means need for helicopter to land on 
the glacier.  Very expensive undertaking in the best of circumstances.
Best would be if a retired medical doctor with DX-experience would become a 
memnber of the NPI scientific team going there every other years. Less 
restrictions on where to be located.
 
73  Rag  LA5HE
 
-- Den ons 2011-03-02 skrev Zack Widup w9sz.z...@gmail.com:


Fra: Zack Widup w9sz.z...@gmail.com
Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa
Til: dx-chat dx-chat@njdxa.org
Dato: Onsdag 2. mars 2011 05.22



I keep hoping a big-time DXpedition can make it to Bouvet some day. I
didn't work Chuck Brady and I didn't work the last operation there.
It's one of the six I still haven't worked.
:-(

73, Zack W9SZ


On 3/1/11, Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net wrote:

 (Moving discussion to DX Chat)

 Cedric,

 When the US Fish  Wildlife Service decided to permit the Desecheo
 operation, the impression left was that groups would be permitted to land on
  operate from both Desecheo and Navassa every few years.

 A lot of this going forward was dependent on how well the entire Desecheo
 operation went.  As far as I know, it went well.

 But we are dealing with government bureaucrats who have their own standards
 and their own way of doing things.  So all we can do is be patient and wait
 for FWS to decide if  when to let the group go to Navassa.

 73

 -Original Message-
 From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Jairam
 Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:30 AM
 To: aishwarya1...@gmail.com
 Cc: dx-n...@njdxa.org
 Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] Bouvet and Navassa

 Hi Cedric!

 Bouvet was actually on air in 2008 (3Y0E). The op was a brand new ham
 by the name of Petrus. He was a very weak signal on 20m phone but
 workable from here.  I haven't heard of anything else since then.

 Desecheo was a couple of years ago too but news about Navassa has been
 pretty much slim to none. My guess is that activating Navassa would be
 significantly more difficult than Desecheo. Here is the website of the
 group that did KP5 - http://www.kp1-5.com/news.html

 73
 Ryan, N2RJ

 On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Aishwarya aishwarya1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 There are the 2 last one I need for my DXCC.

 Does anybody know if there is a DXpedition planned to these entities? I
 remember that a few years ago a group was planning a trip to Bouvet but
 posponed it due to work on the island by the norvegian authorities.

 For KP1 (Navassa) I didn't hear anything. Maybe the group who activated
 KP5
 is trying to put KP1 on the air :-)

 73, Cedric HB9HFN
 http://www.hb9hfn.ch



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