Re: [DX-CHAT] Up

2011-10-25 Thread Jim Reisert AD1C
 
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are
 using CW programs and can't actually copy CW???  I can't think of any
 other explanation.  Up isn't hard to figure out.  Or do they just not know
 how to use their radios??

I contend that it's the packet spots (just DX call and frequency) and
nothing else.  People blindly go to them and if they hear the DX, just
start calling.  W3LPL spots compound this problem because they *never*
mention split operation.  Here's an albeit pathological case from TX7M
today - only 2/5 spots mention split frequency operation:

SP7CXV 18077.8 TX7M lsn up-3
1607 25 Oct
LX1DA  18077.7 TX7M QRM by F-Nino F6AML
1603 25 Oct
IK6JOT 18077.0 TX7M QRMER VIGLIACCHI 
1602 25 Oct
SV2BOH 18077.7 TX7M over than qrm tks
1558 25 Oct
OM3SX-@18077.7 TX7M up1
1551 25 Oct

Also, many DX stations working a pileup rarely sign their call or
mention UP between QSOs.  TX7M was different in this regard, I heard
one op send TU UP after each QSO.

People forget they have VFOs.  If they just tuned up the band a
*little* before starting to call, they'd hear the pileup!

73 - Jim AD1C

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Up

2011-10-25 Thread Crownhaven


Hi Jim.best explanation so far.  I wondered why the split info 
wasn't posted but I guess it is skimmer?  Don't know much about it.


Steve, N4JQQ

Jim Reisert AD1C wrote:

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net wrote:

  

Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are
using CW programs and can't actually copy CW???  I can't think of any
other explanation.  Up isn't hard to figure out.  Or do they just not know
how to use their radios??



I contend that it's the packet spots (just DX call and frequency) and
nothing else.  People blindly go to them and if they hear the DX, just
start calling.  W3LPL spots compound this problem because they *never*
mention split operation.  Here's an albeit pathological case from TX7M
today - only 2/5 spots mention split frequency operation:

SP7CXV 18077.8 TX7M lsn up-3
1607 25 Oct
LX1DA  18077.7 TX7M QRM by F-Nino F6AML
1603 25 Oct
IK6JOT 18077.0 TX7M QRMER VIGLIACCHI 
1602 25 Oct
SV2BOH 18077.7 TX7M over than qrm tks
1558 25 Oct
OM3SX-@18077.7 TX7M up1
1551 25 Oct

Also, many DX stations working a pileup rarely sign their call or
mention UP between QSOs.  TX7M was different in this regard, I heard
one op send TU UP after each QSO.

People forget they have VFOs.  If they just tuned up the band a
*little* before starting to call, they'd hear the pileup!

73 - Jim AD1C

  



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Re: [DX-CHAT] Up

2011-10-25 Thread Don Greenbaum

I think the w3lpl spots are off his skimmer, maybe the skimmer software needs 
to learn cw too?

Don
N1DG

At 12:40 PM 10/25/2011, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote:
 
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are
 using CW programs and can't actually copy CW???  I can't think of any
 other explanation.  Up isn't hard to figure out.  Or do they just not know
 how to use their radios??

I contend that it's the packet spots (just DX call and frequency) and
nothing else.  People blindly go to them and if they hear the DX, just
start calling.  W3LPL spots compound this problem because they *never*
mention split operation.  Here's an albeit pathological case from TX7M
today - only 2/5 spots mention split frequency operation:

SP7CXV 18077.8 TX7M lsn up-3
1607 25 Oct
LX1DA  18077.7 TX7M QRM by F-Nino F6AML
1603 25 Oct
IK6JOT 18077.0 TX7M QRMER VIGLIACCHI 
1602 25 Oct
SV2BOH 18077.7 TX7M over than qrm tks
1558 25 Oct
OM3SX-@18077.7 TX7M up1
1551 25 Oct

Also, many DX stations working a pileup rarely sign their call or
mention UP between QSOs.  TX7M was different in this regard, I heard
one op send TU UP after each QSO.

People forget they have VFOs.  If they just tuned up the band a
*little* before starting to call, they'd hear the pileup!

73 - Jim AD1C

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Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] Up

2011-10-25 Thread Ron Notarius W3WN
The automated posts from several stations, such as W3LPL, are using their Skimmersetups toautomaticallypost spots to the RBN and the Cluster based on CQ calls received.I believe the software in use isdesigned to pick up the call, but not neccesarily otherinformation.Which proves that the astute amateur will LISTEN first BEFORE transmitting REGARDLESS of what a cluster or RBN spot says. Some of our less experienced brethern haven't figured that out yet. And some of them never will.73On 10/25/11, Crownhavencrownha...@bellsouth.net wrote:Hi Jim.best explanation so far. I wondered why the split info wasn't posted but I guess it is skimmer? Don't know much about it.Steve, N4JQQJim Reisert AD1C wrote: On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net wrote:  Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are using CW programs and can't actually copy CW??? I can't think of any other explanation. "Up" isn't hard to figure out. Or do they just not know how to use their radios??  I contend that it's the packet spots (just DX call and frequency) and nothing else. People blindly go to them and if they hear the DX, just start calling. W3LPL spots compound this problem because they *never* mention split operation. Here's an albeit pathological case from TX7M today - only 2/5 spots mention split frequency operation: SP7CXV 18077.8 TX7M lsn up-3 1607 25 Oct LX1DA 18077.7 TX7M QRM by F-Nino F6AML 1603 25 Oct IK6JOT 18077.0 TX7M QRMER VIGLIACCHI  1602 25 Oct SV2BOH 18077.7 TX7M over than qrm tks 1558 25 Oct OM3SX-@ 18077.7 TX7M up1 1551 25 Oct Also, many DX stations working a pileup rarely sign their call or mention "UP" between QSOs. TX7M was different in this regard, I heard one op send "TU UP" after each QSO. People forget they have VFOs. If they just tuned up the band a *little* before starting to call, they'd hear the pileup! 73 - Jim AD1C ---To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org---

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Up

2011-10-25 Thread Crownhaven


We can't blame skimmer for these problems.  It might exacerbate them but 
the individual operator is at fault.


Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:


The automated posts from several stations, such as  W3LPL, are using 
their Skimmer setups to automatically post spots to the RBN and the 
Cluster based on CQ calls received.
 
I believe the software in use is designed to pick up the call, but not 
neccesarily other information.  
 
Which proves that the astute amateur will LISTEN first BEFORE 
transmitting REGARDLESS of what a cluster or RBN spot says. 
 
Some of our less experienced brethern haven't figured that out yet.  
And some of them never will.
 
73
 
 
On 10/25/11, Crownhavencrownha...@bellsouth.net wrote:


Hi Jim.best explanation so far. I wondered why the split info
wasn't posted but I guess it is skimmer? Don't know much about it.

Steve, N4JQQ

Jim Reisert AD1C wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Crownhaven 
crownha...@bellsouth.net mailto:crownha...@bellsouth.net wrote:



 Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there 
who are
 using CW programs and can't actually copy CW??? I can't think 
of any
 other explanation. Up isn't hard to figure out. Or do they just 
not know

 how to use their radios??


 I contend that it's the packet spots (just DX call and frequency) and
 nothing else. People blindly go to them and if they hear the DX, just
 start calling. W3LPL spots compound this problem because they *never*
 mention split operation. Here's an albeit pathological case from TX7M
 today - only 2/5 spots mention split frequency operation:

 SP7CXV 18077.8 TX7M lsn up-3
 1607 25 Oct
 LX1DA 18077.7 TX7M QRM by F-Nino F6AML
 1603 25 Oct
 IK6JOT 18077.0 TX7M QRMER VIGLIACCHI 
 1602 25 Oct
 SV2BOH 18077.7 TX7M over than qrm tks
 1558 25 Oct
 OM3SX-@ 18077.7 TX7M up1
 1551 25 Oct

 Also, many DX stations working a pileup rarely sign their call or
 mention UP between QSOs. TX7M was different in this regard, I heard
 one op send TU UP after each QSO.

 People forget they have VFOs. If they just tuned up the band a
 *little* before starting to call, they'd hear the pileup!

 73 - Jim AD1C




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RE: [DX-CHAT] Up

2011-10-25 Thread Ron Notarius W3WN

I'm not blaming the technology.  In fact, I never said that at all!

Just the misuse of it.

-Original Message-
From: Crownhaven [mailto:crownha...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:27 PM
To: wn3...@verizon.net
Cc: jjreis...@alum.mit.edu; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Up

We can't blame skimmer for these problems.  It might exacerbate them but 
the individual operator is at fault.

Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:

 The automated posts from several stations, such as  W3LPL, are using 
 their Skimmer setups to automatically post spots to the RBN and the 
 Cluster based on CQ calls received.
  
 I believe the software in use is designed to pick up the call, but not 
 neccesarily other information.  
  
 Which proves that the astute amateur will LISTEN first BEFORE 
 transmitting REGARDLESS of what a cluster or RBN spot says. 
  
 Some of our less experienced brethern haven't figured that out yet.  
 And some of them never will.
  
 73
  
  
 On 10/25/11, Crownhavencrownha...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Hi Jim.best explanation so far. I wondered why the split info
 wasn't posted but I guess it is skimmer? Don't know much about it.

 Steve, N4JQQ

 Jim Reisert AD1C wrote:
  On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Crownhaven 
 crownha...@bellsouth.net mailto:crownha...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 
  Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there 
 who are
  using CW programs and can't actually copy CW??? I can't think 
 of any
  other explanation. Up isn't hard to figure out. Or do they just 
 not know
  how to use their radios??
 
 
  I contend that it's the packet spots (just DX call and frequency) and
  nothing else. People blindly go to them and if they hear the DX, just
  start calling. W3LPL spots compound this problem because they *never*
  mention split operation. Here's an albeit pathological case from TX7M
  today - only 2/5 spots mention split frequency operation:
 
  SP7CXV 18077.8 TX7M lsn up-3
  1607 25 Oct
  LX1DA 18077.7 TX7M QRM by F-Nino F6AML
  1603 25 Oct
  IK6JOT 18077.0 TX7M QRMER VIGLIACCHI 
  1602 25 Oct
  SV2BOH 18077.7 TX7M over than qrm tks
  1558 25 Oct
  OM3SX-@ 18077.7 TX7M up1
  1551 25 Oct
 
  Also, many DX stations working a pileup rarely sign their call or
  mention UP between QSOs. TX7M was different in this regard, I heard
  one op send TU UP after each QSO.
 
  People forget they have VFOs. If they just tuned up the band a
  *little* before starting to call, they'd hear the pileup!
 
  73 - Jim AD1C
 
 


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Re: [DX-CHAT] Up

2011-10-25 Thread Crownhaven


I never said you did..

Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:

I'm not blaming the technology.  In fact, I never said that at all!

Just the misuse of it.

-Original Message-
From: Crownhaven [mailto:crownha...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:27 PM

To: wn3...@verizon.net
Cc: jjreis...@alum.mit.edu; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Up

We can't blame skimmer for these problems.  It might exacerbate them but 
the individual operator is at fault.


Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
  
The automated posts from several stations, such as  W3LPL, are using 
their Skimmer setups to automatically post spots to the RBN and the 
Cluster based on CQ calls received.
 
I believe the software in use is designed to pick up the call, but not 
neccesarily other information.  
 
Which proves that the astute amateur will LISTEN first BEFORE 
transmitting REGARDLESS of what a cluster or RBN spot says. 
 
Some of our less experienced brethern haven't figured that out yet.  
And some of them never will.
 
73
 
 
On 10/25/11, Crownhavencrownha...@bellsouth.net wrote:


Hi Jim.best explanation so far. I wondered why the split info
wasn't posted but I guess it is skimmer? Don't know much about it.

Steve, N4JQQ

Jim Reisert AD1C wrote:

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Crownhaven 
  

crownha...@bellsouth.net mailto:crownha...@bellsouth.net wrote:

  
Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there 


who are

using CW programs and can't actually copy CW??? I can't think 


of any

other explanation. Up isn't hard to figure out. Or do they just 


not know


how to use their radios??



I contend that it's the packet spots (just DX call and frequency) and
nothing else. People blindly go to them and if they hear the DX, just
start calling. W3LPL spots compound this problem because they *never*
mention split operation. Here's an albeit pathological case from TX7M
today - only 2/5 spots mention split frequency operation:

SP7CXV 18077.8 TX7M lsn up-3
1607 25 Oct
LX1DA 18077.7 TX7M QRM by F-Nino F6AML
1603 25 Oct
IK6JOT 18077.0 TX7M QRMER VIGLIACCHI 
1602 25 Oct
SV2BOH 18077.7 TX7M over than qrm tks
1558 25 Oct
OM3SX-@ 18077.7 TX7M up1
1551 25 Oct

Also, many DX stations working a pileup rarely sign their call or
mention UP between QSOs. TX7M was different in this regard, I heard
one op send TU UP after each QSO.

People forget they have VFOs. If they just tuned up the band a
*little* before starting to call, they'd hear the pileup!

73 - Jim AD1C


  

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Up

2011-10-24 Thread Bill Hawkins
 
I think it's a combination of some not knowing what there are doing 
and others forgetting what they are doing.

But, every day I continue to be totally amazed, pleased  optimistic 
about the future of CW as I hear the huge number of high quality CW ops 
in the pileups and contests! They are not using CW programs.
Bill W5EC






  Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who 
  are using CW programs and can't actually copy CW???  I can't think 
  of any other explanation.  Up isn't hard to figure out.  Or do they 
  just not know how to use their radios?? 


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Re: [DX-CHAT] Up

2011-10-23 Thread John Carobine - WB8RFB
 
Logic dictates that the former rather than the latter is the case.  I think 
we've all forgotten a time or two to engage the second VFO for split operation, 
but the light bulb usually goes on in just a few minutes or less.  The current 
trend of calling on top of the DX seems to indicate there are more PC programs 
doing the work than engaged minds.  The operative question is how to educate 
them.  Whatever that answer might be, it will also involve changing their 
attitudes.  




From: Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net
To: DX Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:25 AM
Subject: [DX-CHAT] Up


Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are 
using CW programs and can't actually copy CW???  I can't think of any other 
explanation.  Up isn't hard to figure out.  Or do they just not know how to 
use their radios?? 
Steve, N4JQQ


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Re: [DX-CHAT] Up

2011-10-23 Thread Crownhaven


There was an article in the latest QST that spoke to this.  I hope 
everyone read it.


Steve, N4JQQ

John Carobine - WB8RFB wrote:


Logic dictates that the former rather than the latter is the case.  I 
think we've all forgotten a time or two to engage the second VFO for 
split operation, but the light bulb usually goes on in just a few 
minutes or less.  The current trend of calling on top of the DX seems 
to indicate there are more PC programs doing the work than engaged 
minds.  The operative question is how to educate them.  Whatever that 
answer might be, it will also involve changing their attitudes. 


*From:* Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net
*To:* DX Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org
*Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:25 AM
*Subject:* [DX-CHAT] Up


Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who 
are using CW programs and can't actually copy CW???  I can't think 
of any other explanation.  Up isn't hard to figure out.  Or do they 
just not know how to use their radios??

Steve, N4JQQ


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Re: [DX-CHAT] Up

2011-10-23 Thread Elmar PD3EM


Hi all,

Unfortunately I don't have the QST here to read the article.
A lot of chances to work a DX or DX-pedition are ruined by hams that 
don't listen before they TX.

It's happening in CW and all the other modes.

I call those operators Crocodiles: Big mouth and very little ears!

Every ham should first be a SWL for a couple of years and learn how to 
use their setup before going on air!


73, Elmar PD3EM

On 23-10-2011 22:50, Crownhaven wrote:


There was an article in the latest QST that spoke to this.  I hope 
everyone read it.


Steve, N4JQQ

John Carobine - WB8RFB wrote:


Logic dictates that the former rather than the latter is the case.  I 
think we've all forgotten a time or two to engage the second VFO for 
split operation, but the light bulb usually goes on in just a few 
minutes or less.  The current trend of calling on top of the DX seems 
to indicate there are more PC programs doing the work than engaged 
minds.  The operative question is how to educate them.  Whatever that 
answer might be, it will also involve changing their attitudes.

*From:* Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net
*To:* DX Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org
*Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:25 AM
*Subject:* [DX-CHAT] Up


Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there 
who are using CW programs and can't actually copy CW???  I can't 
think of any other explanation.  Up isn't hard to figure out.  Or 
do they just not know how to use their radios??

Steve, N4JQQ



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Re: [DX-CHAT] Up

2011-10-23 Thread Dave Gomberg


At 14:17 10/23/2011, Elmar PD3EM wrote:
A lot of chances to work a DX or DX-pedition are ruined by hams 
that don't listen before they TX.


Here's a mail I sent to my local club and NCDXC a few days after Pacificon:


The reminder to LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN that I was given at Pacificon 
worked great for me this AM.
T32C was on 40m SSB and had a pretty good pileup.  40m does not work 
well for me, I think it is a feed-line
issue because my screwdriver tunes beautifully on all bands but 
40m.  Anyway, hearing the pileup made me
think my best strategy was to listen, and I started to hear him 
complaining about his QSOs getting QRMed
by other deserving calling and calling.   Then he said, Give me a 
second, I am going to check around.  He
had been working simplex and I took this as a clue he was planning to 
start working split.  So I set my radio
to split and VFO A to his old frequency, and the mouse cross hairs (I 
run a flex3K) to VFO B.  When he came
back he said I am going to start working split, QSX 7180 and in 2-3 
seconds I clicked on 7180 and hit the
foot pedal, he came back as I was the only one that fast and I got 
him first call (can't use my amp on 40m,
the SWR is too high).   It was a delight and a triumph for 
LISTENING.   Thank you all.




--
Dave Gomberg, San Francisco   NE5EE Programming since 1959
All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Up

2011-10-23 Thread DAVE WHITE


It's astonishing (to me at least) that so few callers in pileups actually 
try to listen to the pileup and figure where the DX is listening.


I thought the trick was as old as the hills:  DX in the left ear, pileup in 
the right ear with a slightly wider filter, apply Human Ear Mk 1 to find 
where he's listening or at least learn to follow his pattern before giving a 
well-placed call.


It's not hard, is it?

We've all hit the wrong VFO button or forgot to hit split, but it amazes 
me how few people approach the task with intelligence.  I'm not complaining: 
here in northern Europe we're always about 20-30dB below the spaghetti QRM 
machines, so long may they adopt the scattergun approach - it means that 
there's a chance for the rest of us


Dave G0OIL


- Original Message - 
From: Dave Gomberg da...@wcf.com

To: DX Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Up




At 14:17 10/23/2011, Elmar PD3EM wrote:
A lot of chances to work a DX or DX-pedition are ruined by hams that 
don't listen before they TX.


Here's a mail I sent to my local club and NCDXC a few days after 
Pacificon:



The reminder to LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN that I was given at Pacificon 
worked great for me this AM.
T32C was on 40m SSB and had a pretty good pileup.  40m does not work well 
for me, I think it is a feed-line
issue because my screwdriver tunes beautifully on all bands but 40m. 
Anyway, hearing the pileup made me
think my best strategy was to listen, and I started to hear him 
complaining about his QSOs getting QRMed
by other deserving calling and calling.   Then he said, Give me a second, 
I am going to check around.  He
had been working simplex and I took this as a clue he was planning to 
start working split.  So I set my radio
to split and VFO A to his old frequency, and the mouse cross hairs (I run 
a flex3K) to VFO B.  When he came
back he said I am going to start working split, QSX 7180 and in 2-3 
seconds I clicked on 7180 and hit the
foot pedal, he came back as I was the only one that fast and I got him 
first call (can't use my amp on 40m,
the SWR is too high).   It was a delight and a triumph for LISTENING. 
Thank you all.




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Dave Gomberg, San Francisco   NE5EE Programming since 1959
All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Up

2011-10-23 Thread Don Berger


S! All this helpful information will take it harder for the 
deserving who have already figured it out.

Don
K1vsk
- Original Message - 
From: Dave Gomberg da...@wcf.com

To: DX Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Up




At 14:17 10/23/2011, Elmar PD3EM wrote:
A lot of chances to work a DX or DX-pedition are ruined by hams that 
don't listen before they TX.


Here's a mail I sent to my local club and NCDXC a few days after 
Pacificon:



The reminder to LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN that I was given at Pacificon 
worked great for me this AM.
T32C was on 40m SSB and had a pretty good pileup.  40m does not work well 
for me, I think it is a feed-line
issue because my screwdriver tunes beautifully on all bands but 40m. 
Anyway, hearing the pileup made me
think my best strategy was to listen, and I started to hear him 
complaining about his QSOs getting QRMed
by other deserving calling and calling.   Then he said, Give me a second, 
I am going to check around.  He
had been working simplex and I took this as a clue he was planning to 
start working split.  So I set my radio
to split and VFO A to his old frequency, and the mouse cross hairs (I run 
a flex3K) to VFO B.  When he came
back he said I am going to start working split, QSX 7180 and in 2-3 
seconds I clicked on 7180 and hit the
foot pedal, he came back as I was the only one that fast and I got him 
first call (can't use my amp on 40m,
the SWR is too high).   It was a delight and a triumph for LISTENING. 
Thank you all.




--
Dave Gomberg, San Francisco   NE5EE Programming since 1959
All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html
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RE: [DX-CHAT] Up

2011-10-23 Thread Peter W2IRT

-Original Message-
It's astonishing (to me at least) that so few callers in pileups actually 
try to listen to the pileup and figure where the DX is listening.

I thought the trick was as old as the hills:  DX in the left ear, pileup in 
the right ear with a slightly wider filter, apply Human Ear Mk 1 to find 
where he's listening or at least learn to follow his pattern before giving a

well-placed call.

It's not hard, is it?

[pjd] That only really works if you have a dual-watch receiver, though. I
don't think you can do that easily in something like a TS-2000 or TS-570,
etc. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you can do it on many of
the Icoms (746-series, 756-series) either. It becomes an order of magnitude
harder to play with the RIT/XIT in cases like that, and also makes it easier
to forget your TX settings.

But I believe the bottom line is simply idiots clicking cluster spots on
their logging software and screaming into the mic as soon as the DX says
QRZ. So fevered are they for a New One that they don't pay attention to
instructions. It also probably doesn't help that most of them know so little
English that anything other than the phonetics of their callsign and five
nine may as well be in Swahili. I can tell you, when I run Europe for
general DXing (not for contests), I work an awful lot of Italians and
stations from Spain that have a terrible time with English.

Couple this ClickyDX Syndrome with raw, green operators who've never really
learned much about DXing and were never properly taught the intricacies of
split operation and you have the mess you do.



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Re: [DX-CHAT] UP machine

2009-01-07 Thread Dan Zimmerman N3OX
 I haven't worked many Asian stations recently.


Yep.


 I was lucky to get the last VU7 and BS7 operations when there was a little
 sunspot activity (not much).


I couldn't get the BS7.  I heard them for a grand total of 1/2 hour on SSB
and I'm only 100W  a 20m Moxon (which I actually built to work them ;-) ).
I called anyway but no joy.

VU7 was another story.  I snagged VU7RG on day 1 on 40m CW right before
sunset.  Turns out propagation between here and VU7 is really fantastic.
They were very loud.  I got a 17m QSO a few days later.

But VU4 is a much more polar path from here and I couldn't hear them at all
even though I heard the more recent VU7 a little. Totally different world.



 But I only worked a couple JA's in CQWW CW. And they were tough to work.


Yeah.  I heard a DU on 40CW longpath the other day but couldn't make it
through.  Not much hope for, say, that V8 or XX9 that I still need or
whatever.



 The upcoming KP5 operation should be an easy one hopefully, for those of us
 in the USA.


Should be a good one for a lot of folks.  I have a N3KS/KP5 card sitting
here from a really lucky break when I was living in an apartment ;-)

There's a good chance that KP5 will be my #99 or #100 on topband though
but that's going to be CRAZY.

Dan


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Re: [DX-CHAT] UP machine

2009-01-06 Thread Dan Zimmerman N3OX
 Danhuman nature ensures that there will be cheaters in any endeavor;
 amateur radio is not an exception.


I know... it's just a particularly silly context for cheating. If you take a
dive in boxing at least you get some money.  If you cheat  at Harvard at
least you get  a diploma that helps you get a job later.  If you cheat at
ham radio?   But some people just can't help themselves.


I can only tell you from personal experience when you get over 300 countries
 the new ones come quite slowly.  I am happy with one or two new ones a year
 these days.


Me too.  TX5C was my #300 and nothing since.   Much of what I need is on
tough polar paths that I never seem to find open.  Nothing even heard.

But I've been hunting 160m DXCC (OH0X couple nights ago was my #98 worked)
and knocking down band countries, so I'm still having fun.

Kind of hoping to work one more 160m country to get to #99 and then work
TN5SN for #100 on Topband and #301 all time but I doubt that's going to
happen .. you never know though ;-)

73
Dan


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Re: [DX-CHAT] UP machine

2009-01-05 Thread Dan Zimmerman N3OX
 Where do you get one of those UP machines that seems to be needed to work
 E44M?

 Do you get it on e-bay?


No, it comes free when both LIDS and DX COPS forget that ham radio is
supposed to be fun and no one in the real world actually gives a damn if
you're on the Honor Roll or have 5BDXCC.

Does that machine works on other than the DX station's frequency?


No, of course not ;-)

73
Dan


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Re: [DX-CHAT] UP machine

2009-01-05 Thread Barry
I have UP programmed in one of my keyer memories.  However, it starts 
with W2.

Barry W2UP

lmecseri -KE1F wrote:
Where do you get one of those UP machines that seems to be needed to 
work E44M?


Do you get it on e-bay?

Does that machine works on other than the DX station's frequency?

73  HPNY

LouKE1F


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Re: [DX-CHAT] UP machine

2009-01-05 Thread RUSSELL KELLAM JR
Amen Dan!!! Nobody cares except the guys who achieved HR and 5BDXCC.Personal 
satisfaction is their only reward and should be enough. 73  Happy New Year to 
all. Russ W4UBC
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dan Zimmerman N3OX 
  To: dx-chat@njdxa.org 
  Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 7:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] UP machine




Where do you get one of those UP machines that seems to be needed to work 
E44M?

Do you get it on e-bay?

  No, it comes free when both LIDS and DX COPS forget that ham radio is 
supposed to be fun and no one in the real world actually gives a damn if you're 
on the Honor Roll or have 5BDXCC.


Does that machine works on other than the DX station's frequency?

  No, of course not ;-)

  73
  Dan 





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