RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
Take up gardening? Stamp collecting? Goat keeping? Graffiti painting? IOTA? It's not every day that a new one comes along so let's make the most of it. If it's no longer fun, do something else, Don. Dave G0OIL - Original Message - From: Don Berger dberger...@gmail.com Sent: 09 July 2011 22:25 To: jjreis...@gmail.com; ct1...@mail.telepac.pt Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan This what I love so much about DXCC. I worked ST0 years ago and will have to waste the time doing it again on a bunch of bands. At some point, this becomes silly. Don/K1VSK - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C jjreis...@alum.mit.edu To: ct1...@mail.telepac.pt Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Aurelio Costa ct1...@mail.telepac.pt wrote: Can someone please give the latitude and longitude of this new country? It's not a new country yet. Coordinates are same as for deleted ST0 entity, or look up Southern Sudan on Wikipedia. -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
The one that makes me smile even after all these years is all things are relative, some more so. Priceless. Dave G0OIL - Original Message - From: Paul M Dunphy list...@ve1dx.net Sent: 10 July 2011 04:15 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan At 07:18 PM 7/9/2011, you wrote: I still have all the West /Coast DX Bulletins but couldn't find the reference to catching the same fish twice! 73 K1vsk I have them all, Don. All ~550 original issues, given to me by Cass when he was cleaning house ~2000-2001 or so. I also have a copy of the book Bernie describes. I don't think The Old Timer, any of the Local QRPers, or even Red-Eyed Louie and his cousin Sunspot Louie ever directly addressed the topic of catching the same fish twice. We were left to ponder the meaning of DX IS!, the Eternal Enigmas of DXing and the Mysteries of the Ages. Cass often said, If you have to ask the question, you probably won't understand the answer. After reading his material many times, and having numerous telephone conversations with WA6AUD, probably the closest advice I took away from Hugh Cassidy in situations like this was to emulate Lord Baden-Powell, the Hero of Mafeking, and Be Prepared! DX IS! Although for some more than others. 73, Paul VE1DX --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
It has been recognized by the United Nations THUS is a new country! Or not? And thanks for the information. It was very helpful! Why didn't I think of that before bothering you? 73, Leo CT1CSN -Original Message- From: jjreis...@gmail.com [mailto:jjreis...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 9:16 PM To: ct1...@mail.telepac.pt Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Aurelio Costa ct1...@mail.telepac.pt wrote: Can someone please give the latitude and longitude of this new country? It's not a new country yet. Coordinates are same as for deleted ST0 entity, or look up Southern Sudan on Wikipedia. -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
Recognized yes - but not a member of the UN until July 14th. Bernie McClenny, W3UR Editor of The Daily DX, The Weekly DX and How's DX? Get a free two week trial of The Daily DX and The Weekly DX http://www.dailydx.com/trial.htm -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Aurelio Costa Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:01 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan Importance: High It has been recognized by the United Nations THUS is a new country! Or not? And thanks for the information. It was very helpful! Why didn't I think of that before bothering you? 73, Leo CT1CSN -Original Message- From: jjreis...@gmail.com [mailto:jjreis...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jim Reisert AD1C Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 9:16 PM To: ct1...@mail.telepac.pt Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Aurelio Costa ct1...@mail.telepac.pt wrote: Can someone please give the latitude and longitude of this new country? It's not a new country yet. Coordinates are same as for deleted ST0 entity, or look up Southern Sudan on Wikipedia. -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
It's not a matter of catching the same fish twice. ST0 is a different country before and after they split. What if you worked ST0 and they were operating from what is now South Sudan (but which was Sudan before)? Which country did you really work, Sudan or South Sudan? DXCC doesn't keep track of exact location within an entity, just that you worked a particular entity. If the entity changes from what it was, you'll need to work it again because that old entity no longer exists. Let's say Texas annexes Northern Mexico and secedes from the USA. If you worked USA contacts in Texas or northern Mexico, will they now be part of the USA? No, they will not. Should you get credit for working those entities? No because they did not exist as DXCC entities at that time. Your total entity count does not go down, but the number on the current list does. And it's the number on the current list that determines eligibility for HR and #1HR. Ryan, N2RJ On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Fred Stevens K2FRD k2...@mac.com wrote: Yes, Bernie, there are several explanations for catching the same fish twice. In my own world as a wildlife biologist, it's called catch-and-release and mark-and-recapture; the fish (or other wildlife such as rabbits, deer, mice, insects, crustaceans, whatever) is caught, then tagged before release. Subsequent catches of the tagged fish or other animals are measured against catches of the same species which are not tagged. After a certain number (N) are caught and again released, a formula called the Lincoln-Peterson Index is applied to determine population numbers. Now, one might reasonably ask, how does a Lincoln-Peterson Index apply to recapture of a long gone, then reappearing DX entity such as South Sudan, I have no idea, at least not yet. Working on it... I'm still trying to recapture QSLs from QSOs in the early 1990s. For example, I made contact with only a single station from Rhode Island during my 2001 and 2004 mini-dxpeditions to VO2 despite repeated efforts. This one station responded to my CQ RI but never responded to my repeated QSL requests (I sent him SASEs, green stamps, even $5 GS, and letters) but no response thus denying me WAS from VO2. Using the Lincoln-Peterson Index (N=1), I would calculate that Rhode Island no longer exists, has gone extinct, HF-wise. Yet, QRZ.com insists that RI has a ham population of 2263. Such are the vagaries of both wildlife and ham radio populations and contacts. You win some, you lose some, but you keep playing the game. 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD Previously VO2/K2FRD VO2FS to be QRV in summer 2012 At 7:00 PM -0400 9/7/11, Bernie McClenny, W3UR wrote: Professor Cass taught before the DXCC 2000 rule change, but I suspect there must be something that explains catching the same fish twice. The man was a genius! Guess I'll have to re-read the book, again! Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Editor of The Daily DX, The Weekly DX and How's DX? Get a free two week trial of The Daily DX and The Weekly DX http://www.dailydx.com/trial.htm -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Don Berger Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 6:18 PM To: ke...@verizon.net; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan I still have all the West /Coast DX Bulletins but couldn't find the reference to catching the same fish twice! 73 K1vsk --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam, --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
ST0 is a different country before and after they split. What if you worked ST0 and they were operating from what is now South Sudan (but which was Sudan before)? Which country did you really work, Sudan or South Sudan? Not in this case ... ST0 was a self-governing territory within Sudan. It was deleted when the Sudanese central government and the regional government reached an agreement to change status. That change in status agreement included the right to a referendum for secession after a period of time. The result of the referendum was an overwhelming vote for independence in the south. The government of the new South Sudan is the same government that participated in the reconciliation and referendum process and the new S. Sudan covers the same area as the former autonomous region. Except for the fact that the DXCC rules say (Section II, DXCC List Criteria): Entities deleted from the List may be returned to the List in the future, should they qualify again in the future under these criteria. However, an entity that does qualify again in the future does so as a totally new Entity, not as a reinstated old one. the secession of Southern Sudan from Sudan would simply mean the reinstatement of the old (deleted) ST0. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/10/2011 9:25 AM, Ryan Jairam wrote: It's not a matter of catching the same fish twice. ST0 is a different country before and after they split. What if you worked ST0 and they were operating from what is now South Sudan (but which was Sudan before)? Which country did you really work, Sudan or South Sudan? DXCC doesn't keep track of exact location within an entity, just that you worked a particular entity. If the entity changes from what it was, you'll need to work it again because that old entity no longer exists. Let's say Texas annexes Northern Mexico and secedes from the USA. If you worked USA contacts in Texas or northern Mexico, will they now be part of the USA? No, they will not. Should you get credit for working those entities? No because they did not exist as DXCC entities at that time. Your total entity count does not go down, but the number on the current list does. And it's the number on the current list that determines eligibility for HR and #1HR. Ryan, N2RJ On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Fred Stevens K2FRDk2...@mac.com wrote: Yes, Bernie, there are several explanations for catching the same fish twice. In my own world as a wildlife biologist, it's called catch-and-release and mark-and-recapture; the fish (or other wildlife such as rabbits, deer, mice, insects, crustaceans, whatever) is caught, then tagged before release. Subsequent catches of the tagged fish or other animals are measured against catches of the same species which are not tagged. After a certain number (N) are caught and again released, a formula called the Lincoln-Peterson Index is applied to determine population numbers. Now, one might reasonably ask, how does a Lincoln-Peterson Index apply to recapture of a long gone, then reappearing DX entity such as South Sudan, I have no idea, at least not yet. Working on it... I'm still trying to recapture QSLs from QSOs in the early 1990s. For example, I made contact with only a single station from Rhode Island during my 2001 and 2004 mini-dxpeditions to VO2 despite repeated efforts. This one station responded to my CQ RI but never responded to my repeated QSL requests (I sent him SASEs, green stamps, even $5 GS, and letters) but no response thus denying me WAS from VO2. Using the Lincoln-Peterson Index (N=1), I would calculate that Rhode Island no longer exists, has gone extinct, HF-wise. Yet, QRZ.com insists that RI has a ham population of 2263. Such are the vagaries of both wildlife and ham radio populations and contacts. You win some, you lose some, but you keep playing the game. 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD Previously VO2/K2FRD VO2FS to be QRV in summer 2012 At 7:00 PM -0400 9/7/11, Bernie McClenny, W3UR wrote: Professor Cass taught before the DXCC 2000 rule change, but I suspect there must be something that explains catching the same fish twice. The man was a genius! Guess I'll have to re-read the book, again! Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Editor of The Daily DX, The Weekly DX and How's DX? Get a free two week trial of The Daily DX and The Weekly DX http://www.dailydx.com/trial.htm -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Don Berger Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 6:18 PM To: ke...@verizon.net; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan I still have all the West /Coast DX Bulletins but couldn't find the reference to catching the same fish twice! 73 K1vsk --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http
RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
Forgive me for being, ah, late to the party, but we were out of town for the weekend (anyone want to see pictures of my grandson?) and I'm just now getting caught up on my email. We had to work Germany again, after the reunification? I must have missed the memo on that one. I THOUGHT that since the former German Democratic Republic (East) got absorbed into the existing Federal Republic of Germany (West), for DXCC purposes, since the FRG survived, it still counts as the same entity, even if we now simply refer to it as Germany. So there's no reason to re-work the existing Sudan. For precedent, look at Serbia nee Yugoslavia. As independence came to one, ah, component of Yugoslavia after another, the new nations became new DXCC entities, but the original entity remained - just smaller. 73, ron w3wn _ From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Abercrombie Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 6:35 PM To: DX-CHAT@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan I remember when Germany-East and West was counted as one country. Then they were counted as two and we had to work them both again. When they were united , we worked Germany again. I wonder if we are going to have to work both Sudans again.Only the DXAC knows. --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
I'm confused - if there is no reason, as Ron explains, to work ST0 again, why is NCDXF financially supporting a dx-pedition? K1VSK Glenn Johnson, W0GJ, NCDXF Vice President, sent out the following on July 6th: The Northern California DX Foundation (NCDXF) is pleased to announce a major grant to the Intrepid DX Group http://www.intrepid-dx.com/ and the DX Friends http://www.dxfriends.com/ who have joined together to activate the new entity of the Republic of Southern Sudan. Licensing is imminent and operation could begin in the next few days. - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius W3WN To: DX-CHAT@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:27 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan Forgive me for being, ah, late to the party, but we were out of town for the weekend (anyone want to see pictures of my grandson?) and I'm just now getting caught up on my email. We had to work Germany again, after the reunification? I must have missed the memo on that one. I THOUGHT that since the former German Democratic Republic (East) got absorbed into the existing Federal Republic of Germany (West), for DXCC purposes, since the FRG survived, it still counts as the same entity, even if we now simply refer to it as Germany. So there's no reason to re-work the existing Sudan. For precedent, look at Serbia nee Yugoslavia. As independence came to one, ah, component of Yugoslavia after another, the new nations became new DXCC entities, but the original entity remained - just smaller. 73, ron w3wn -- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Abercrombie Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 6:35 PM To: DX-CHAT@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan I remember when Germany-East and West was counted as one country. Then they were counted as two and we had to work them both again. When they were united , we worked Germany again. I wonder if we are going to have to work both Sudans again.Only the DXAC knows. --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
That's not what I said. There's no reason to rework SUDAN again. But the new nation of Southern Sudan (or whatever name the country ultimately ends up with) is not, for DXCC purposes, the same entity as the now-deleted entity of the autonomous region of Southern Sudan. The fact that there are current SUDAN stations using the prefix of ST0, which at one time was generally in use in recognized as the prefix of the now defunct Southern Sudan, is irrelevant. As they say at PNC Park Programs! Programs! You can't tell the players without a program! In other words, don't be misled by a prefix. After all. would you consider a VR6 you worked today as a Pitcairn station because only a few short years ago, it was the prefix for Pitcairn - but is today the prefix assigned to Hong Kong? Of course not, I hope! 73 _ From: Don Berger [mailto:dberger...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:49 PM To: wn3...@verizon.net; DX-CHAT@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan I'm confused - if there is no reason, as Ron explains, to work ST0 again, why is NCDXF financially supporting a dx-pedition? K1VSK --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Aurelio Costa ct1...@mail.telepac.pt wrote: Can someone please give the latitude and longitude of this new country? It's not a new country yet. Coordinates are same as for deleted ST0 entity, or look up Southern Sudan on Wikipedia. -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
This what I love so much about DXCC. I worked ST0 years ago and will have to waste the time doing it again on a bunch of bands. At some point, this becomes silly. Don/K1VSK - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C jjreis...@alum.mit.edu To: ct1...@mail.telepac.pt Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Aurelio Costa ct1...@mail.telepac.pt wrote: Can someone please give the latitude and longitude of this new country? It's not a new country yet. Coordinates are same as for deleted ST0 entity, or look up Southern Sudan on Wikipedia. -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
At 05:25 PM 7/9/2011, you wrote: This what I love so much about DXCC. I worked ST0 years ago and will have to waste the time doing it again on a bunch of bands. At some point, this becomes silly. Don/K1VSK Many of us are in the same situation, Don. My feeling is that it is a good thing. As DXers, there is no better thrill than when you send or say your call and the DX comes back to you. Wow! It's like fishing. You sit there all day and then you get a strike. That's what you go fishing, and why you are a DXer. To catch another one. We won't have any trouble getting them if the planned operation (multiple stations with gain antennas and amps) sets up there for 3 weeks. I'm looking forward to it. Sure, we worked the same geographical location in 1990 or whenever, but it's now a different political entity and essentially a new country. The FS and all 4 PJs of the past few years made a lot of excitement. If we never got any new ones, it wouldn't be much fun. What is a person going to do with the gear? Become a contester? 73, Paul VE1DX --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
Don If you can ever get your hands on a copy of DX IS! The Best of the West Coast DX Bulletin it would be well worth the read! Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Editor of The Daily DX, The Weekly DX and How's DX? Get a free two week trial of The Daily DX and The Weekly DX http://www.dailydx.com/trial.htm -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Don Berger Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 4:25 PM To: jjreis...@gmail.com; ct1...@mail.telepac.pt Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan This what I love so much about DXCC. I worked ST0 years ago and will have to waste the time doing it again on a bunch of bands. At some point, this becomes silly. Don/K1VSK - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C jjreis...@alum.mit.edu To: ct1...@mail.telepac.pt Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Aurelio Costa ct1...@mail.telepac.pt wrote: Can someone please give the latitude and longitude of this new country? It's not a new country yet. Coordinates are same as for deleted ST0 entity, or look up Southern Sudan on Wikipedia. -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
Well Said Paul, If this didn't happen eventually we would run out of all time new ones then what would be left. It's almost like the state stocking the pond to give the fishermen something good to catch. 73, Tom, KE1JF -- From: Paul M Dunphy list...@ve1dx.net Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:03 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan At 05:25 PM 7/9/2011, you wrote: This what I love so much about DXCC. I worked ST0 years ago and will have to waste the time doing it again on a bunch of bands. At some point, this becomes silly. Don/K1VSK Many of us are in the same situation, Don. My feeling is that it is a good thing. As DXers, there is no better thrill than when you send or say your call and the DX comes back to you. Wow! It's like fishing. You sit there all day and then you get a strike. That's what you go fishing, and why you are a DXer. To catch another one. We won't have any trouble getting them if the planned operation (multiple stations with gain antennas and amps) sets up there for 3 weeks. I'm looking forward to it. Sure, we worked the same geographical location in 1990 or whenever, but it's now a different political entity and essentially a new country. The FS and all 4 PJs of the past few years made a lot of excitement. If we never got any new ones, it wouldn't be much fun. What is a person going to do with the gear? Become a contester? 73, Paul VE1DX --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
I still have all the West /Coast DX Bulletins but couldn't find the reference to catching the same fish twice! 73 K1vsk - Original Message - From: Tom-KE1JF ke...@verizon.net To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan Well Said Paul, If this didn't happen eventually we would run out of all time new ones then what would be left. It's almost like the state stocking the pond to give the fishermen something good to catch. 73, Tom, KE1JF -- From: Paul M Dunphy list...@ve1dx.net Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:03 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan At 05:25 PM 7/9/2011, you wrote: This what I love so much about DXCC. I worked ST0 years ago and will have to waste the time doing it again on a bunch of bands. At some point, this becomes silly. Don/K1VSK Many of us are in the same situation, Don. My feeling is that it is a good thing. As DXers, there is no better thrill than when you send or say your call and the DX comes back to you. Wow! It's like fishing. You sit there all day and then you get a strike. That's what you go fishing, and why you are a DXer. To catch another one. We won't have any trouble getting them if the planned operation (multiple stations with gain antennas and amps) sets up there for 3 weeks. I'm looking forward to it. Sure, we worked the same geographical location in 1990 or whenever, but it's now a different political entity and essentially a new country. The FS and all 4 PJs of the past few years made a lot of excitement. If we never got any new ones, it wouldn't be much fun. What is a person going to do with the gear? Become a contester? 73, Paul VE1DX --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
Professor Cass taught before the DXCC 2000 rule change, but I suspect there must be something that explains catching the same fish twice. The man was a genius! Guess I'll have to re-read the book, again! Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Editor of The Daily DX, The Weekly DX and How's DX? Get a free two week trial of The Daily DX and The Weekly DX http://www.dailydx.com/trial.htm -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Don Berger Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 6:18 PM To: ke...@verizon.net; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan I still have all the West /Coast DX Bulletins but couldn't find the reference to catching the same fish twice! 73 K1vsk - Original Message - From: Tom-KE1JF ke...@verizon.net To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan Well Said Paul, If this didn't happen eventually we would run out of all time new ones then what would be left. It's almost like the state stocking the pond to give the fishermen something good to catch. 73, Tom, KE1JF -- From: Paul M Dunphy list...@ve1dx.net Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 5:03 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan At 05:25 PM 7/9/2011, you wrote: This what I love so much about DXCC. I worked ST0 years ago and will have to waste the time doing it again on a bunch of bands. At some point, this becomes silly. Don/K1VSK Many of us are in the same situation, Don. My feeling is that it is a good thing. As DXers, there is no better thrill than when you send or say your call and the DX comes back to you. Wow! It's like fishing. You sit there all day and then you get a strike. That's what you go fishing, and why you are a DXer. To catch another one. We won't have any trouble getting them if the planned operation (multiple stations with gain antennas and amps) sets up there for 3 weeks. I'm looking forward to it. Sure, we worked the same geographical location in 1990 or whenever, but it's now a different political entity and essentially a new country. The FS and all 4 PJs of the past few years made a lot of excitement. If we never got any new ones, it wouldn't be much fun. What is a person going to do with the gear? Become a contester? 73, Paul VE1DX --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
When they were united , we worked Germany again. No, the former West Germany remained as the counter for the unified Germany. I wonder if we are going to have to work both Sudans again. Only the DXAC knows. Just the new South Sudan. DXCC 2000 rules do not allow a deleted country to ever be undeleted - the new entity must be new even if it represents the same territory and same government as the entity that was deleted. Another case of rules not reflecting reality (just like 800 miles not meaning 800 miles). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/9/2011 6:34 PM, Jim Abercrombie wrote: I remember when Germany-East and West was counted as one country. Then they were counted as two and we had to work them both again. When they were united , we worked Germany again. I wonder if we are going to have to work both Sudans again.Only the DXAC knows. --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
Yes, Bernie, there are several explanations for catching the same fish twice. In my own world as a wildlife biologist, it's called catch-and-release and mark-and-recapture; the fish (or other wildlife such as rabbits, deer, mice, insects, crustaceans, whatever) is caught, then tagged before release. Subsequent catches of the tagged fish or other animals are measured against catches of the same species which are not tagged. After a certain number (N) are caught and again released, a formula called the Lincoln-Peterson Index is applied to determine population numbers. Now, one might reasonably ask, how does a Lincoln-Peterson Index apply to recapture of a long gone, then reappearing DX entity such as South Sudan, I have no idea, at least not yet. Working on it... I'm still trying to recapture QSLs from QSOs in the early 1990s. For example, I made contact with only a single station from Rhode Island during my 2001 and 2004 mini-dxpeditions to VO2 despite repeated efforts. This one station responded to my CQ RI but never responded to my repeated QSL requests (I sent him SASEs, green stamps, even $5 GS, and letters) but no response thus denying me WAS from VO2. Using the Lincoln-Peterson Index (N=1), I would calculate that Rhode Island no longer exists, has gone extinct, HF-wise. Yet, QRZ.com insists that RI has a ham population of 2263. Such are the vagaries of both wildlife and ham radio populations and contacts. You win some, you lose some, but you keep playing the game. 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD Previously VO2/K2FRD VO2FS to be QRV in summer 2012 At 7:00 PM -0400 9/7/11, Bernie McClenny, W3UR wrote: Professor Cass taught before the DXCC 2000 rule change, but I suspect there must be something that explains catching the same fish twice. The man was a genius! Guess I'll have to re-read the book, again! Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Editor of The Daily DX, The Weekly DX and How's DX? Get a free two week trial of The Daily DX and The Weekly DX http://www.dailydx.com/trial.htm -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Don Berger Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 6:18 PM To: ke...@verizon.net; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan I still have all the West /Coast DX Bulletins but couldn't find the reference to catching the same fish twice! 73 K1vsk --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] South Sudan
At 07:18 PM 7/9/2011, you wrote: I still have all the West /Coast DX Bulletins but couldn't find the reference to catching the same fish twice! 73 K1vsk I have them all, Don. All ~550 original issues, given to me by Cass when he was cleaning house ~2000-2001 or so. I also have a copy of the book Bernie describes. I don't think The Old Timer, any of the Local QRPers, or even Red-Eyed Louie and his cousin Sunspot Louie ever directly addressed the topic of catching the same fish twice. We were left to ponder the meaning of DX IS!, the Eternal Enigmas of DXing and the Mysteries of the Ages. Cass often said, If you have to ask the question, you probably won't understand the answer. After reading his material many times, and having numerous telephone conversations with WA6AUD, probably the closest advice I took away from Hugh Cassidy in situations like this was to emulate Lord Baden-Powell, the Hero of Mafeking, and Be Prepared! DX IS! Although for some more than others. 73, Paul VE1DX --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
