Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones
So, a possibly stupid question, but I have to ask. VK1XXX goes for a portable operation in Perth., What callsign do they use? In other words, why does VK5 always mean CQ Zone 30? Does VK1XXX use VK5XXX if they're in Southern Australia? (Sort of how UK hams change prefix from G to GI to GJ to GU, etc. Logbook of the World is pretty good about rejecting bad zone numbers, so I'm surprised this one was missed. 73, -Rick On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 5:00 PM Dan Violette wrote: > Alan, > > Of course, you can look on the LoTW website for this QSO and see what > VK5DOC > has entered on his certificate. I also suspect you accepted your logged > zone and did not correct with LoTW. > > Dan KI6X > > -Original Message- > From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of Alan Zack > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 10:28 PM > To: 'WA7AA' ; dx4win@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones > > Yes, the LOTW entry shows Z29 in the confirmation. I don't remember now but > am guessing after downloading the confirmation ADIF file from and entering > it into my DX4WIN file either it automatically changed it to Z29 to match > his info or I was directed to do so when I ran the search for IMPORT to > find > differences between what I had logged and what LOTW had in its records. > Usually the only differences are in GRID numbers. Anyway, mystery solved, > not a problem with my country file. > Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. > 73 > > Alan Zack > Amateur Radio Station K7ACZ > > -Original Message- > From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of WA7AA > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 06:54 PM > To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones > > On 11-Jun-22 19:55, Alan Zack wrote: > > How does DX4WIN determine DX Zones? By the country list? I have the > > latest country list in my DX4WIN I just received my 2021 DX Marathon > > > UBN results back and I got dinged for entering VK5DOC for Z29. The > > VK5DOC qrz.com page does not show what zone he is in. When I logged > > him in my DX4WIN log it was entered as Z29, not Z30. The QSO is > > confirmed with LoTW. It shows him in Z29, not Z30. > > > > When I asked John K9EL, the contest manager, why I was dinged for a > > wrong entry for Z29 here was his reply: > > I also use DX4Win and if I enter VK5DOC, it says Zone 30. > > I have never heard that any VK5 stations can be in Zone 29. I have > > been doing this contest since 2008. > > > > John may very well be right but why would my version of DX4WIN show > > Z29 and his show Z30? I only have one entry for VK5DOC on > 07/03/2021. > > In my log for Z29 I have many VK6, VK8, and VK9 stations but only > one > > VK5, the VK5DOC shows as Z29. > > > > Entering VK5DOC over here correctly assumes zone 30. If your log has him as > 29, it's possible that you created an exception in the database by > overriding 30 with 29. He may have given you a wrong number - he wouldn't > be > the first one. The other possibility is that he incorrectly set up his TQSL > station information with a wrong zone and you overrode the default zone in > the log by accepting the LOTW value. > LOTW works on the GIGO system - virtually no station info verification > exists. > > Hope this helps. > > WA7AA > > > __ > DX4WIN mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > DX4WIN mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Rick Murphy, D. Sc., CISSP-ISSAP, K1MU/4, Annandale VA USA __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones
Alan, Of course, you can look on the LoTW website for this QSO and see what VK5DOC has entered on his certificate. I also suspect you accepted your logged zone and did not correct with LoTW. Dan KI6X -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Alan Zack Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 10:28 PM To: 'WA7AA' ; dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones Yes, the LOTW entry shows Z29 in the confirmation. I don't remember now but am guessing after downloading the confirmation ADIF file from and entering it into my DX4WIN file either it automatically changed it to Z29 to match his info or I was directed to do so when I ran the search for IMPORT to find differences between what I had logged and what LOTW had in its records. Usually the only differences are in GRID numbers. Anyway, mystery solved, not a problem with my country file. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. 73 Alan Zack Amateur Radio Station K7ACZ -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of WA7AA Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2022 06:54 PM To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones On 11-Jun-22 19:55, Alan Zack wrote: > How does DX4WIN determine DX Zones? By the country list? I have the > latest country list in my DX4WIN I just received my 2021 DX Marathon > UBN results back and I got dinged for entering VK5DOC for Z29. The > VK5DOC qrz.com page does not show what zone he is in. When I logged > him in my DX4WIN log it was entered as Z29, not Z30. The QSO is > confirmed with LoTW. It shows him in Z29, not Z30. > > When I asked John K9EL, the contest manager, why I was dinged for a > wrong entry for Z29 here was his reply: > I also use DX4Win and if I enter VK5DOC, it says Zone 30. > I have never heard that any VK5 stations can be in Zone 29. I have > been doing this contest since 2008. > > John may very well be right but why would my version of DX4WIN show > Z29 and his show Z30? I only have one entry for VK5DOC on 07/03/2021. > In my log for Z29 I have many VK6, VK8, and VK9 stations but only one > VK5, the VK5DOC shows as Z29. > Entering VK5DOC over here correctly assumes zone 30. If your log has him as 29, it's possible that you created an exception in the database by overriding 30 with 29. He may have given you a wrong number - he wouldn't be the first one. The other possibility is that he incorrectly set up his TQSL station information with a wrong zone and you overrode the default zone in the log by accepting the LOTW value. LOTW works on the GIGO system - virtually no station info verification exists. Hope this helps. WA7AA __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 11:28 PM Alan Zack K7ACZ wrote: > Yes, the LOTW entry shows Z29 in the confirmation. I don't remember > now but am guessing after downloading the confirmation ADIF file from > and entering it into my DX4WIN file either it automatically changed it > to Z29 to match his info or I was directed to do so when I ran the > search for IMPORT to find differences between what I had logged and > what LOTW had in its records. This is why I always search the "Notes for this QSO" field for the word IMPORT after doing any import, especially "Confirm LoTW using ADIF file". That VK5 QSO would have been flagged as having a mismatch. As many have pointed out, VK5 is CQ Zone 30. Only VK6 and VK8 are CQ Zone 29. Once all import exceptions have been resolved, there is a Multiple QSO Operation to delete the remaining import notes. The ADIF to Marathon conversion program I wrote: https://ad1c.us/software/marathon/ does not do any parsing or interpretation of the ADIF data (i.e. callsigns), nor does it do any checking. As someone else wrote in an earlier reply, Garbage In, Garbage Out. I'm sorry you lost a zone in the competition. There are a couple of things to keep in mind: 1. DX4WIN does not store the country prefix or CQ Zone with the QSO. This is determined by the country file each time you load your log into DX4WIN. 2. One thing that was new about DX4WIN 9.0x compared to earlier versions is that it now keeps a local file of callsign/zone exceptions that only apply to your log. These have priority of the country file. When a zone is changed, for example, during the LoTW import of that VK5 QSO, that zone is stored in the local file. I never need these, and occasionally will delete the file, which can be found in your SAVE directory (along with its backup): 3/05/2022 20:39 849 usrexcpt.dat 1/27/2022 10:35 811 usrexcpt.~at The problem with this local file is that once a zone is (incorrectly) changed, all future QSOs logged with this station will show the same incorrect zone. Also there, is no way to examine this file to see what's in there, or why. I could try to figure it out, but I have never had the need. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, , https://ad1c.us __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones
I work very hard to make sure the DX Marathon is scored properly. VK5 has always been in Zone 30. I am a representative of CQ as well, so my scoring database is very accurate. 73, John K9EL DX Marathon Manager -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Alan Zack Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 9:55 PM To: DX4WIN Group Subject: [Dx4win] VK5 DX Zones How does DX4WIN determine DX Zones? By the country list? I have the latest country list in my DX4WIN I just received my 2021 DX Marathon UBN results back and I got dinged for entering VK5DOC for Z29. The VK5DOC qrz.com page does not show what zone he is in. When I logged him in my DX4WIN log it was entered as Z29, not Z30. The QSO is confirmed with LoTW. It shows him in Z29, not Z30. When I asked John K9EL, the contest manager, why I was dinged for a wrong entry for Z29 here was his reply: I also use DX4Win and if I enter VK5DOC, it says Zone 30. I have never heard that any VK5 stations can be in Zone 29. I have been doing this contest since 2008. John may very well be right but why would my version of DX4WIN show Z29 and his show Z30? I only have one entry for VK5DOC on 07/03/2021. In my log for Z29 I have many VK6, VK8, and VK9 stations but only one VK5, the VK5DOC shows as Z29. It is a mystery to me. 73 Alan K7ACZ Alan Zack Amateur Radio Station K7ACZ __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
