[ECOLOG-L] Unsustainable sustainability Re: [ECOLOG-L] Are we doomed yet: A journal debate about science, the practice of sustainability, and communicating issues

2012-07-28 Thread Wayne
Ecolog and Schulze: With The usual applications of sustainable strike me as practically meaningless and little more than greener than some other conventional alternative, Schulze lets the elephant out of the closet. Let there be honesty. His definition is a good one, too, although I will

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Unsustainable sustainability Re: [ECOLOG-L] Are we doomed yet: A journal debate about science, the practice of sustainability, and communicating issues

2012-07-28 Thread Cara Lin Bridgman
A Declaration of Independence for the planet and its lifeforms - starting with the USA: http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/6916. If wishes were horses... CL ~~ Cara Lin Bridgman cara@msa.hinet.net

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Are we doomed yet: A journal debate about science, the practice of sustainability, and communicating issues

2012-07-19 Thread Neil Paul Cummins
Your questions are covered by my definition: Sustainability = the biosphere of the Earth continuing to exist in a state which can sustain complex life-forms Q1 Sustaining what? Complex life-forms Q2 For whom? Complex life-forms Q3 For how long? This doesn't seem

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Are we doomed yet: A journal debate about science, the practice of sustainability, and communicating issues

2012-07-17 Thread Neil Paul Cummins
I'll start off: Sustainability = the biosphere of the Earth continuing to exist in a state which can sustain complex life-forms This is how I define sustainability in my book: What Does it Mean to be ‘Green’? : *Sustainability, Respect Spirituality* **

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Are we doomed yet: A journal debate about science, the practice of sustainability, and communicating issues

2012-07-17 Thread Taal Levi
Ah, the definition should be a list if questions. Sustaining what? For whom? For how long? Is it important that this resource be sustained? Why? T On Jul 16, 2012, at 10:58 PM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote: Ecolog: johoma, thanks for this summary. PLos Biology is leading the way,

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Are we doomed yet: A journal debate about science, the practice of sustainability, and communicating issues

2012-07-17 Thread David L. McNeely
Ok, I'll bite: A sustainable practice is one which can be continued indefinitely without depleting the resources upon which it and other features necessary to the system it supports depend. I submit that as written it captures the essence of the idea. Knock it down if you wish, or modify it.

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Are we doomed yet: A journal debate about science, the practice of sustainability, and communicating issues

2012-07-17 Thread Michael Riedman
Hello sustainable eco-loggers, This is my first eco-log post! I just graduated from University of Maryland with a minor in Sustainability Studies. We were taught the Brundtland Commission definition of Sustainability, which I believe is clear and concise. Sustainability is meeting the needs of

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Are we doomed yet: A journal debate about science, the practice of sustainability, and communicating issues

2012-07-17 Thread Neahga Leonard
Ha, a contentious subject! I'll take a shot at is as well: Sustainability - A practice of resource use that does not exceed the carrying capacity of the environment for such uses and is modeled upon ecological principles and systems thinking. Neahga Leonard On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:31 AM,

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Are we doomed yet: A journal debate about science, the practice of sustainability, and communicating issues

2012-07-17 Thread David L. McNeely
Michael Riedman mried...@terpmail.umd.edu wrote: Hello sustainable eco-loggers, This is my first eco-log post! I just graduated from University of Maryland with a minor in Sustainability Studies. We were taught the Brundtland Commission definition of Sustainability, which I believe

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Are we doomed yet: A journal debate about science, the practice of sustainability, and communicating issues

2012-07-17 Thread Peter Schulze
I define a sustainable process as one that does not degrade the conditions or processes that it depends upon. But, we don't know the effects of our actions well enough to confidently classify current actions vis-a-vis sustainability (except in obviously non-sustainable cases). If that is so, then

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Are we doomed yet: A journal debate about science, the practice of sustainability, and communicating issues

2012-07-16 Thread Wayne Tyson
Ecolog: johoma, thanks for this summary. PLos Biology is leading the way, and someday Opens Source journals will be more common, edging out the ripoff journals and truly advancing science and education for all. There is more work to be done, but PLos Biology is helping to put steam behind the

[ECOLOG-L] Are we doomed yet: A journal debate about science, the practice of sustainability, and communicating issues

2012-06-25 Thread johoma
An excerpt from the PLoS Biology editor-in-chief's overview: One of the reasons we publish more accessible magazine-like articles in the front section of *PLoS Biology* http://www.plosbiology.org/home.action is to raise awareness about issues that are important both to practicing scientists and