On Jul 6, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Joshua Springer wrote:
Hopefully society will change as people like Paul are
replaced by folks who are more forward-looking and
those who are proactive about humanity's long term
future on this planet.
OK, maybe we should start discussing what being "proactive"
woul
Sorry to chime in here but this is a good example of what I meant when I
said that some individuals are just not worth the effort because no
matter how much data and logic your present they will remain
intransigent. I strongly suggest you just ignore this guy - you're
wasting your time. Maybe
Dear Rob,
I doubt that ignoring the conclusions of previous climate studies will
improve the vitality of Ecology or Climatology as fields of inquiry.
You seem to assume that climatologists don't use the scientific method, but
what you describe is exactly the process they have used to assess wheth
Cherubini, the fallacy of your interpretation of the graph has been pointed out
several times on this list. What part of the explanations did you not
understand? You certainly have no reason to extrapolate that the temperatures
will not rise in the future on the basis of one short period in th
cience of Ecology with respect to this issue.
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> Rob Hamilton
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Hi Dawn,
You might take a look at Donella Meadows' excellent book _Thinking in
Systems_. One of her examples of a positive feedback loop ("vicious cycle")
is how she and her brother used to fight when they were kids: he would push
her, she pushed back harder, he pushed back harder yet, and soon an
respect to this issue.
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> Rob Hamilton
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s the real crime here IMHO.
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> Rob Hamilton
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"Water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas" is a meme that has been
around for at least 15 years (I first heard it from people in the automotive
industry), although I thought it had run its course by now. There are plenty of
websites that offer factual responses (one example is
http://www
o this issue.
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> Rob Hamilton
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the Science of Ecology with respect to this issue.
Rob Hamilton
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Philip
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d we
should do better, IMHO. IMHO we should be more the voice of reason and less the
voice of various political trends of the day.
Rob Hamilton
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ous political trends of the day.
Rob Hamilton
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Seriously? In my
one of those casualties, which is the
> real crime here IMHO.
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> Rob Hamilton
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Actually this climate debate is more about hocus pocus than anything else. at
least a it is. That climate change is occurring is undeniable, and the oddity
would be no climate change occurring. The
n
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society has never been trusting of scie
Paul,
"Therefore the flattening trend could conceivably continue"... really? You
are seriously advocating a, "I'm not going to wear my seat-belt or helmet
in this car race because I *might* not have an accident," approach?
If you look at the charts and the history of peaks and troughs the
percei
On Sun, 1 Jul 2012 18:17:31 -0700, John Gerlach wrote:
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>What the agencies want is clear direction on how to plan for climate change.
>Other than the obvious general tactics such as larger preserves are generally
>better and connectivity is generally better there is little that the models can
>do
society has never been trusting of scientists.
However, the same could be said of business with identical survey mechanisms.
So what.
This isn't about a bunch of hocus pocus and its not about baseless opinions.
ITs about the facts that exist.
Period.
As for track records of academics, virtually a
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dels coupled with MAXENT species distributions.
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> Best,
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observing a number of phenomena ranging from
>> organisms to climate that support the altered climate hypothesis.
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>> The problem is that I have to "believe" in the competence and credibility of
>> the
>> scientists and their interpretation of the data and that is where I
I remember that back in the day there were people who denied El Nino/La
Nina/ENSO had much effect outside Peru or even existed. I realized this was
changing when a trader called me because he was interested in the relation
between ENSO and Ethiopian coffee bean futures. The real turning point was
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Hi Jeff,
David Inouye [ino...@umd.edu]
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Paul,
Please read some credible writings on warming before throwing out
"incredible" claims about thing
Paul,
Perhaps we are reading different literature. I have seen little to no
evidence anywhere indicating that the warming trend is leveling off except
by those who cherry-pick what data they would prefer to use to suit their
end arguments.
This conversation thread began with some questions about
Paul,
Please read some credible writings on warming before throwing out
"incredible" claims about things you have no evidence for.
As a start, I suggest reading up on recent "lack of warming here:
http://blog.chron.com/climateabyss/2012/06/the-danger-of-looking-for-patterns-in-short-time-series
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> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 21:59:24 -0500
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> who tries to understand and use the data, there is a significant lack of open
> peer evaluation of the data and that gives me pause as does the the scientist
> who won't speak up when his data and conclusions are over-interpreted by
> users.
>
> By focusing on the "Denier
David's comment made me think of what it is where I live in the Northeast
that has people taking climate change seriously.
If you can show how it affects a persona' pocket-book Americans will pay
attention..
Here in Vermont it's not the heatwaves we've had and odd dry spells that
have people thin
Paul, I am not saying it is entirely rational, but after this heat wave,
there will be a lot fewer climate doubters. The 1930's had similar
devastating heat waves, also with no air conditioning, so such things can't
necessarily be blamed on anthropogenic climate change. The saying goes
that "weath
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Hey John – Great points. I have two main thoughts:
1) There is a great deal of uncertainty about exactly how climate change will
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Hi Jeff,
I don't want to get into the whole climate change Denier issue directly but I
will add my observations in advising governmental clients on the use of
ttle but losing the war.
Best,
John Gerlach
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Hello Ecolog - In March, one of the leading a
Hello Ecolog - In March, one of the leading anti-minds of the Climate Deniers
movement, Christopher Monckton, visited Union College. EOS, AGU's Newspaper,
just published a Forum article describing our experience and that at our
neighbor RPI. Subscription is required - http://www.agu.org/pubs/eos
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