Malcolm McCallum wrote:
I don't know where we are in this conversation now, but
MY 1983 escort station wagon got 30-40 mi/gal on average
with up to 50 mi/gal on the highway. that wasn't a rating,
that was what it actually got. So, why is it that all the new
cars (including the hybrids)
I don't know where we are in this conversation now, but MY 1983 escort
station wagon got 30-40 mi/gal on average with up to 50 mi/gal on the
highway. that wasn't a rating, that was what it actually got. So, why is
it that all the new cars (including the hybrids) do so puke poor on
mileage
Here's a Prius driver conversation about raising MPG that you may find
interesting. http://www.hybridcars.com/forums/help-increasing-06-t929.html
Folks are getting 50+ MPG.
Jane
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Malcolm McCallum
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I don't know where we are in this
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Carrie
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Here's a Prius driver conversation
Hi Jane,
Robert's point was about the resources taken to manufacture a new car,
hybrid or whatever.. all the metal, glass, plastics, chemicals etc,
mining those, energy costs to manufacture them, pollution costs to the
environment and so on, When one discards an old car and goes for a
hybrid,
Sure, but McDonough has always argued that the costs of disposal be a factor in
any life cycle analysis. Indeed that's the basis for his cradle-to-cradle
approach. The only evidence I can find on his own position regarding hybrid
technology in automobiles is an attribution from 2005 in
Just to add some more complexity to this model:
The majority of the mass of an old car is recyclable as scrap ferrous
metals, the most recycled material in America. So do we know how
much energy is saved by the recycling of steel and iron from your old
car vs. mining and smelting new
In Cuba it's routine to see 40-60 year old cars on the road.
Cuban's realize a car's body and frame can last indefinately
and all the drivetrain and suspension componets can be
replaced as they wear out. Modern components such as
engines with emission controls can also be installed
in these old
guess we could
save some weight by removing seat belts and air bags -- how about that,
Paul?
Bill Silvert
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Paul,
I'm not sure of your point here or where you get your data.
A 72 VW micro-bus got around 20 mpg (less than a Subaru Forester,
replete with airbags, crumple zones, and cup holders) and was one of
the most dangerous vehicles on the road. A simple panic stop could
put an unbelted
David Bryant wrote:
I'm not sure of your point here or where you get your data.
A 72 VW micro-bus got around 20 mpg (less than a Subaru Forester,
replete with airbags, crumple zones, and cup holders) and was one of
the most dangerous vehicles on the road.
OK, I'll try outlining another
McDonough is like the Toyota ads that would seduce me into trading in
my 1994, 30 mpg Prism for a brand new Prius. Considering the
quantities of non-renewable natural resources that are extracted,
transported and transformed into a new car (and the amount of Nature
that is destroyed in its
Hi Bob,
Can you please cite some numbers to back up your claim? 30 MPG is pretty
good (although old cars tend to be worse from the point of view of toxic
emissions), but every examination I've seen of the question of whether the
improved efficiency of a hybrid offsets the C emissions due to its
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