Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research

2008-10-30 Thread Steven Schwartz
Sean, Interesting that you mention blogging on the topic. I posted on my blog about Governor Palin earlier this evening and received a most interesting comment regarding my being a socialist scientist as I supported government funded basic research that did not directly effect national

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Evolution Parasites and hosts Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research

2008-10-30 Thread Jane Shevtsov
@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research A large part of Sonia Altizer's work uses monarchs and their parasites as a model system for host-parasite coevolution in general. (For example, why don't parasites always

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research

2008-10-29 Thread Jason L Kindall
Why chain ourselves to economic importance of a species as a barometer on whether we should conserve it? Granted, economic importance is a good boost for conservation of some species. However, it sure isn't the only reason to conserve something. Jason Paul Cherubini wrote: Jason L Kindall

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research

2008-10-29 Thread David Bryant
On Oct 29, 2008, at 9:36 AM, malcolm McCallum wrote: The fact of the matter is that basic research must be in place before applied research can utilize that information. Until American society as a whole understands what research is and why it is important, these kind of simple-minded attacks

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research

2008-10-29 Thread William Silvert
to know that Palin has at least one soulmate in the scientific community. Bill Silvert - Original Message - From: Paul Cherubini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research Perhaps

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research

2008-10-29 Thread Chris Rosamond
at fruit fly research To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU I didn't know anyone measured the quality of basic science research in such a manner. Applied scientific research, maybe, but not basic scientific research. Dave Paul Cherubini wrote: David M. Lawrence wrote: What's frivolous about

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research

2008-10-29 Thread Michelle Bachman
I think there's a role here for us as individuals to reach out to our friends and family. Maybe for those of us celebrating, this Thanksgiving would be a good chance to say, 'I'm thankful we live in a country that can afford to fund basic scientific research, and here's why...'. My immediate

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research

2008-10-29 Thread David M. Lawrence
Migratory monarchs may exist in all 48 states, but they tend to follow specific migratory paths (flyways) -- unless you choose to ignore the mark-recapture data obtained from migrating monarchs over the rest of their range. Monarchs do not breed in their overwintering sites, therefore as

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research

2008-10-29 Thread malcolm McCallum
My mother worked for Dr. Novee at Argonne National Laboratory in their search for the nutrino. One day, she asked why it was important. He said something to the effect of, right now we don't know what it will be good for, but we can't use it if we can't find it. So it is with most knowledge.

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research

2008-10-29 Thread Daniel R. Papaj
As someone who has done basic research on butterflies with some NSF support, I'm grateful to those who have come to its defense in this forum. But as someone who also does research on tephritid fruit flies, I note that Gov. Palin's criticism of fruit fly research in Paris, France appears to

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research

2008-10-29 Thread Jane Shevtsov
A large part of Sonia Altizer's work uses monarchs and their parasites as a model system for host-parasite coevolution in general. (For example, why don't parasites always evolve to become harmless if their existence depends on their hosts?) This, of course, includes human pathogens. So, even if

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research

2008-10-29 Thread =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sean_McKenzie?=
As a recent college graduate I have had the privilege to learn the importance of model organisms in scientific research. I understand the need for small genomes, fast generations, and prolific reproduction. I understand this though only because I majored in biology. Now considering that I am

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research

2008-10-27 Thread Jason L Kindall
The fact that Gov. Palin laughed off this line of research isn't surprising. After all, Sen. McCain had his go at bear research, and that was a large charismatic mammal project. The political implications alone are troubling. The larger issue in my mind is that this is a real reflection of

[ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research

2008-10-26 Thread Wendee Holtcamp
Palin gave a policy talk in which she ridiculed fruit fly research... which is of course provided foundation of modern genetics. Now this does not really surprise me for a creationist, but it does not bode well for science funding should they get elected. This has a clip:

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Palin laughs at fruit fly research

2008-10-26 Thread Adolf Oluna Ceska
It did not surprise me that Sarah Paulin laughed at fruit fly research. Trofim Denisovich Lysenko did the same in the last century. Adolf Ceska, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada