[ECOLOG-L] Ecology Competition as a concept and a phenomenon Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression?

2012-04-28 Thread Wayne Tyson
Duffy ddu...@hawaii.edu To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression? I feel that competition without a doubt is beneficial, perhaps necessary, for an ecosystem to continue

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression?

2012-04-28 Thread Wayne Tyson
@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression? Good evening, First off, thank you for the wealth of responses, a number of them helped to solidify and clarify ideas on this issue. I had been waiting

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression?

2012-04-28 Thread Eric North
- Original Message - From: Joshua Wilson joshua.m.wils...@gmail.com To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression? Good evening, First off, thank you

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression?

2012-04-28 Thread ryan unks
254 Cable, WI 54821 928.607.3098 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:03:25 -0700 From: landr...@cox.net Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression? To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Ecolog and Joshua: Being cocksure about anything is a bad habit

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression?

2012-04-27 Thread Chris Buddenhagen
That would be most of them, if by eradicate you mean to remove all reproducing individuals from a defined region such that all individuals are put at risk, and reinvasion or recovery is unlikely. The implication being that after an eradication no further management investment is needed, since the

[ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression?

2012-04-26 Thread Wayne Tyson
Ecolog, I am dismayed that there has been so little response to Huang's questions. Perhaps I am wrong in that assumption and they have been. But it seems to me that the questions should be addressed and some conclusions concluded, even if they are two-headed. I suggest that everyone read

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression?

2012-04-26 Thread O'Brien, Erin
I think that the lack of a response is because there is no clear established rule about either but I suspect that folks have replied to Huang off list. Without academic references to back it up (I'm busy grading at the end of the semester) I will give two short answers based on what I have

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression?

2012-04-26 Thread Joshua Wilson
Good evening, First off, thank you for the wealth of responses, a number of them helped to solidify and clarify ideas on this issue. I had been waiting for all responses before I replied with a sort of meta-analysis of what came in. The replies were more numerous and substantial than I had

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression?

2012-04-26 Thread David L. McNeely
Well, several responses have answered in the affirmative so far as natives becoming invasive, with examples. Raccoons and Eastern Red Cedar come to mind as examples mentioned so far. I won't comment further here on my thoughts about them. So far as When do invasives become native?: What

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression?

2012-04-26 Thread Steve Young
-Original Message- From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Joshua Wilson Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:11 PM To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression?

2012-04-26 Thread David Duffy
I feel that competition without a doubt is beneficial, perhaps necessary, for an ecosystem to continue progressing towards a more complex and stronger state. However, my thought was that ecosystems are cyclical and self-regulating. native (albeit weaker) species I am not sure there is much

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Plants Invasive natives? Re: [ECOLOG-L] Invasion, or progression?

2012-04-26 Thread Martin Meiss
How about if we consider that invaders have become native when all efforts to eradicate them are futile? Martin M. Meiss 2012/4/26 David Duffy ddu...@hawaii.edu I feel that competition without a doubt is beneficial, perhaps necessary, for an ecosystem to continue progressing towards a more