Re: [ECOLOG-L] Shannon-Wiener Div Index Question - dealing with zero species per plot??

2009-07-19 Thread Gavin Simpson
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 18:27 -0400, Evan Weiher wrote: > If you use the diversity function in R, youll probably have to fix the > cases where richness = 0 because it returns H = 0 for zero species: > > richness = specnumber(ex1) > H = diversity(ex1) > eff.rich = exp(H) > > for (i in 1:length(rich

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Shannon-Wiener Div Index Question - dealing with zero species per plot??

2009-07-18 Thread Kurt Moser
Maria -- If you're getting sample counts so low as zero, you might well question whether the they are reasonable estimators for the population proportions the Shannon-Wiener index depends on. As a practical matter, your resulting variances may be too high to enable you to distinguish among tr

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Shannon-Wiener Div Index Question - dealing with zero species per plot??

2009-07-17 Thread Evan Weiher
Hi everyone, I think Lou Jost’s “numbers equivalents” should help solve this. He suggested that the Shannon diversity index is very helpful, but it needs to be translated back to the effective number of species (=e^H, assuming you’ve calculated it using the natural log). This way, you can inte

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Shannon-Wiener Div Index Question - dealing with zero species per plot??

2009-07-17 Thread Bill Silvert
zero. It sounds to me like UA or US (which is it?) may have too many philosophers on staff! Bill Silvert - Original Message - From: "Eric Lamb" To: Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Shannon-Wiener Div Index Question - dealing with zero specie

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Shannon-Wiener Div Index Question - dealing with zero species per plot??

2009-07-17 Thread Foley, Patrick
iety of America: grants, jobs, news [ecolo...@listserv.umd.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Silvert [cien...@silvert.org] Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:43 AM To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Shannon-Wiener Div Index Question - dealing with zero species per plot?? After reading this pos

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Shannon-Wiener Div Index Question - dealing with zero species per plot??

2009-07-17 Thread Eric Lamb
The consensus seems to be that diversity should be zero, but we should consider the larger question before the mechanics of calculating a particular index. I recently had to deal with a similar question: what is the evenness of a community with zero species?. The consensus among those I discussed

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Shannon-Wiener Div Index Question - dealing with zero species per plot??

2009-07-17 Thread Bill Silvert
x fits into the analysis. Bill Silvert - Original Message - From: "Maria Van Dyke" To: Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Shannon-Wiener Div Index Question - dealing with zero species per plot?? I have a question about utility of the Shannon-Wiener d

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Shannon-Wiener Div Index Question - dealing with zero species per plot??

2009-07-17 Thread Tom Cuba
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Re: [ECOLOG-L] Shannon-Wiener Div Index Question - dealing with zero species per plot??

2009-07-16 Thread Robert Matlock
, 2009 5:39 PM To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Shannon-Wiener Div Index Question - dealing with zero species per plot?? Dear ECO loggers, I have a question about utility of the Shannon-Wiener diversity index in regards to sampling units that have no species in them at a given sampling

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Shannon-Wiener Div Index Question - dealing with zero species per plot??

2009-07-16 Thread Foley, Patrick
America: grants, jobs, news [ecolo...@listserv.umd.edu] On Behalf Of Maria Van Dyke [mt...@virginia.edu] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:39 PM To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Shannon-Wiener Div Index Question - dealing with zero species per plot?? Dear ECO loggers, I have a

[ECOLOG-L] Shannon-Wiener Div Index Question - dealing with zero species per plot??

2009-07-16 Thread Maria Van Dyke
Dear ECO loggers, I have a question about utility of the Shannon-Wiener diversity index in regards to sampling units that have no species in them at a given sampling time. Normally this would get a value of zero, however with Shannon-Wiener a sampling unit that has only one individual of one specie