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Lou Ziegler once said that Nature has shrugged off countless species in
the history of the earth, and she will shrug of Homo sapiens
I'm taking surface public transport from New England to Bloomington IN to
attend the north American forest ecology workshop this summer -- mainly for
personal economy but also inspired by some of the posts to this thread. The
reality is unappealing despite the 50% savings - 24 hr+ in transit
And no security hassles (although I'm sure TSA is trying to fix this).
Maybe taking trains has no effect now, but if we increase the demand,
then according to all the economic laws the prices will go up and the
service ought to expand and get bigger... Still, it was extremely
disappointing
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Lou Ziegler once said that Nature has shrugged off countless species in the
history of the earth, and she
So then, why take the train to ESA? 1. Reduce the carbon footprint of
science.
Not realistically possible. You're a student now, but when you
enter the working world - either in private industry or academia -
there is a very high probability your position will require you
to travel by air
Paul-
I think you have this upside down in a few ways. Taking the train
actually increases productivity. For example, I often take the train
from Portland to Seattle - it is a 4 hour train ride, or a 3 hour drive,
but those 3 hours are completely lost to productivity (except random
Greyhound could be another viable option for getting there. Yes, it takes
longer
than flying, but if you can afford the time, it is much more environmentally
sustainable. I'm actually taking Greyhound from Boston to Rapid City, SD this
week
to start a new job with the National Park Service.
Ethically, Paul, there's a lot to be said for keeping our side of the
street clean.
Economically, there's a lot to be said for creating a demand for
fuel-efficient mass transit systems.
Your math, even if right, fails to address either. Your sense of
history is an epic fail. As someone
Beston, The Outermost House.
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On Apr 28, 2013, at 4:49 AM, Mary Anne Carletta wrote:
And, of course
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-L] Take the Train to ESA Minneapolis
Hello EcoLoggers,
To those of you heading to the 98th ESA conference in Minneapolis, are you
interested in reducing the environmental footprint of this year's conference?
Have you considered changing the mode of transportation you use to get there?
One
On Apr 28, 2013, at 4:49 AM, Mary Anne Carletta wrote:
And, of course, Boeing is always right in its predictions
(not to mention self-serving), so there's no point in
individuals making any effort. Really?
The forum recently had a thread discussing the importance of math.
Here are some math
Hello EcoLoggers,
To those of you heading to the 98th ESA conference in Minneapolis, are you
interested in reducing the environmental footprint of this year's conference?
Have you considered changing the mode of transportation you use to get there?
One of the largest environmental footprints of
On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:21 PM, Reinmann, Andrew, Brett wrote:
If just 100 of us travel half-way across the country via train
instead of flying we will mitigate climate change to the same
extent as taking 15 cars out of commission for a whole year!
Yes, but consider the big picture:
Boeing's
of Nevada, Reno
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Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Take the Train to ESA Minneapolis
Hello
Wanted to comment on this.
Others might be able to comment on rail vs. jet vs. automobile.
Amtrak does have 3 routes from the east coast to the west coast. I have taken
groups to the west coast from Michigan by train to Seattle from Grand
Rapids/Chicago and back. In this case used the
Actually, folks, if you want to save energy, reduce your carbon footprint, and
hold onto your simoleans by changing how you attend meetings, you need to think
bigger.
The most effective way to do all three of these things would be to convince ESA
to offer the meeting in electronic form, so
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