Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology terminology Re: [ECOLOG-L] definition of native

2012-03-23 Thread Martin Meiss
terminology? WT - Original Message - From: Ian Ramjohn ramjo...@msu.edu To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology terminology Re: [ECOLOG-L] definition of native I think we're missing the point here. The problem isn't

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology terminology Re: [ECOLOG-L] definition of native

2012-03-22 Thread Wayne Tyson
terminology Re: [ECOLOG-L] definition of native I think we're missing the point here. The problem isn't with the definitions of native - it's an English word that's always going to have a range of meanings. In other words - it's a poor term for science. Is post oak native to Texas? is a less than

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology terminology Re: [ECOLOG-L] definition of native

2012-03-19 Thread Gunnar Schade
Howdy from the original poster Yes, I did receive a lot of helpful responses, most (all?) of which were posted to the list, to some of which I responded outside the list. And yes, my original question was poorly worded in the sense that I did not mean to imply post oak was not native to Texas.

[ECOLOG-L] Habitat Niche Stress Environment Genetics Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology terminology Re: [ECOLOG-L] definition of native

2012-03-19 Thread Wayne Tyson
-barrens? I also wonder about the nasty habit of oaks to hybridize, and where post-oak fits into that. WT - Original Message - From: Gunnar Schade g...@tamu.edu To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology terminology Re: [ECOLOG-L

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology terminology Re: [ECOLOG-L] definition of native

2012-03-17 Thread Ian Ramjohn
I think we're missing the point here. The problem isn't with the definitions of native - it's an English word that's always going to have a range of meanings. In other words - it's a poor term for science. Is post oak native to Texas? is a less than ideal question, because the answer is

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology terminology Re: [ECOLOG-L] definition of native

2012-03-17 Thread Resetarits, William
Ecology has long been, and continues to be, terminologically challenged. 16 years ago several of us (Fauth et al. 1996) made what we felt was a valiant attempt to bring some clarity to a set of terms that would seem to lend themselves to a degree of precision, or at least clear functional

[ECOLOG-L] Ecology terminology Re: [ECOLOG-L] definition of native

2012-03-16 Thread Wayne Tyson
Honorable Forum: Anybody who has any sense knows that words are imperfect, and anybody who has read Alice in Wonderland (or was it Through the Looking Glass? I just don't remember) knows that a word means just what I (or the Red Queen?) say it means. Words are communication tools, and for