Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-13 Thread Gerald Niemi
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species? Hello Amanda: There is a considerable literature, particularly from the 20th Century on the role played by various mosquito species in pollinating woodland flowers, particularly the small orchid species (Platanthera) but other northern

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-10 Thread Judith Weis
William Brogan wrote: However, other herbicides such as Atrazine are not very lethal to amphibians in concentrations that are likely to be observed in surface waters. Not very lethal is not the name of the game. If a chemical causes them to become intersex and be otherwise messed up

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-10 Thread Amanda Quillen
09, 2009 10:00 PM To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species? I agree with you the rest of your post, except to say that not all mosquitoes are human-feeders, and not all are WNV-vectors (only those that bite both birds and mammals are). Fewer

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-10 Thread Ted Linda Mosquin
] On Behalf Of James Crants Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:00 PM To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species? I agree with you the rest of your post, except to say that not all mosquitoes are human-feeders, and not all are WNV-vectors (only those that bite

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-09 Thread Todd Herbert
Conor, I believe the product used now is Malathion: Malathion is a man-made organophosphate insecticide that is commonly used to control mosquitoes and a variety of insects that attack fruits, vegetables, landscaping plants, and shrubs. It can also be found in other pesticide products used

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-09 Thread Paul Cherubini
Conor_Flynn wrote: we've noticed something interesting: there are no mosquitoes in or near Alamosa. This is because the city sprays for them regularly. We have also noticed fewer grasshoppers, bees, and frogs than we might otherwise expect. Michael Cooperman wrote: I don't know what

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-09 Thread Todd Johnson
Paul, Forgive me if I am wrong here, but aren't these kinds of observations the very ones that lead to the formation of hypotheses-which will then be later falsified or confirmed? Although one might consider such wild speculation, would you not agree that such questions and observations are

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-09 Thread Bill Silvert
is that they were killed. Bill Silvert, trying to think critically. - Original Message - From: Paul Cherubini mona...@saber.net To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species? Conor_Flynn wrote: we've

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-09 Thread Charlie Davis
Paul, I agree completely. Then why on earth is the city spraying without any evidence that it is having any effect? What a waste of taxpayer's money. Charles Davis

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-09 Thread James Crants
In the quoted text below, Michael Cooperman says only that whatever chemical Conor's county uses to control mosquitoes probably affects other insects as strongly as it affects mosquitoes. The implication is that he agrees it's plausible that the chemical used to control mosquitoes near Alamosa

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-09 Thread Paul Cherubini
Bill Silvert wrote: Flynn indicated that he had a team of colleagues working over several years who made this observation. Flynn made no mention of the number of years they had been observing. Nor is it unreasonable to postulate that maybe the reason that there are fewer mosquitoes is

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-09 Thread Paul Cherubini
Michael Cooperman wrote: I respectfully disagree with you. It is not wild speculation to posit widely applied broad-cast insecticides have impacts to non-target organisms, You said the mosquito chemical: would affect other insects just as strongly which is speculation. Paul Cherubini El

[ECOLOG-L] ECOLOG responsiveness to direct questions Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-09 Thread Wayne Tyson
reasonable conclusions with respect to the subscribers of this list? WT - Original Message - From: Paul Cherubini mona...@saber.net To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species? Conor_Flynn wrote: we've noticed

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-09 Thread Chris R
as keystone species? To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Michael Cooperman wrote: I respectfully disagree with you. It is not wild speculation to posit widely applied broad-cast insecticides have impacts to non-target organisms, You said the mosquito chemical: would affect other insects just

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-09 Thread Chris MacQuarrie
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:57 AM, Michael Coopermanmichael.cooper...@noaa.gov wrote: Hello Conor,    Thank you for sharing these observations. Unfortunately, these are not simple questions to answer, as it would take a prolonged and rigorous discourse on many of the disciplines of ecology to

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-09 Thread William Brogan
Conor, I am a graduate student in Rick Relyea's lab at the University of Pittsburgh. Our lab has been looking at the direct and indirect impacts of many types of pesticides on amphibians for the better part of this decade. We have found that the direct impacts of pesticide exposure on

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-09 Thread James Crants
I agree with you the rest of your post, except to say that not all mosquitoes are human-feeders, and not all are WNV-vectors (only those that bite both birds and mammals are). Fewer bees probably does equate with fewer flowering plants. In the same spirit, I should add that many

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-09 Thread Brian Slaby
I'll admit that my knowledge of mosquitoes is not great, but I wouldn't necessarily go so far as to label them a keystone species. Since there are several different genera of mosquitoes in North America (let alone species!), is the term keystone species even appropriate? Can the concept be

[ECOLOG-L] Mosquitoes as keystone species?

2009-07-08 Thread Conor Flynn
Our field crew is working in the extensive wetlands surrounding Alamosa, CO and we've noticed something interesting: there are no mosquitoes in or near Alamosa. This is because the city sprays for them regularly. We're not complaining... but we have also noticed fewer grasshoppers, bees, and