Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science in China? Washington Post.

2011-05-23 Thread Ganter, Philip
Aaron,

I have read your recommendations for improving science funding.  I think you 
are taking a band aid approach to the problem.  Peter Lawrence has suggested a 
much more fundamental change which would, if adopted, correct many of the 
faults addressed in your document and might be a viable alternative to the 
current system.  See:

Lawrence PA (2009) Real Lives and White Lies in the Funding of Scientific 
Research. PLoS Biol 7(9):
e1000197. doi:10.1371/journal.pbio.1000197
The heart of research is sick:  a conversation with Peter Lawrence.  2011.  Lab 
Science No.2 pp. 24-31

I also think your dismissal of tenure is a fundamental threat to the university 
system.  I have watched as administrative incompetence has damaged the careers 
of more than one young scientist.  Tenure is the only bulwark protecting 
academic freedom and shared governance (both as defined by the AAUP) and it is 
vital for maintaining quality in higher education.  These institutional values 
are, in many instances, the only means of making administrations accountable.  
Of course, with academic freedom and shared governance comes the responsibility 
to participate in governance.   Although I have no data to back this up, I 
believe that I have noticed a tendency for scientists to feel that their only 
duty to their institutions is to get grants, do research, and mentor students.  
Committee assignments are denigrated as a waste of time.  Tenure, for these 
scientists, is considered unnecessary as the ability to bring in grant money is 
the scientist's path to success.  Anything that interferes with the time needed 
to play the grant game is waste.  This attitude is short-sighted and wrong.  We 
then must leave the institution in the hands of professional administrators.  
They are a valuable group but they often do not have sufficient expertise or 
experience to make good decisions on their own.  Sure, tenure has problems but, 
like democracy, it is a system that persists in spite of its shortcomings 
because it is better than all the rest.  Do not forget what was built by our 
academic ancestors with tenure as a fundamental building block.  That which 
made it valuable then is still relevant today.

Phil Ganter
Tennessee State University


Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science in China? Washington Post.

2011-05-23 Thread Madhusudan Katti
Is the vast majority of tenured academia really dead wood in America? Isn't 
this the same kind of thing being said about schoolteachers in the education 
reform debate in this country - that K-12 schools are full of bad teachers 
who can't be fired because of unions, etc., etc.? How real are either of these 
estimates which wield considerable rhetorical power?

As a recently tenured faculty member, seeing my workload and responsibilities 
go up significantly since getting tenure, I'm genuinely puzzled by the dead 
wood phenomenon. We hear about tenure leading to stagnation all the time, but 
if the problem was so widespread, wouldn't US universities be far less 
successful than they have been? Sure, the problem of dead wood is real, and 
I'm guessing most of us can think of someone who fits that category. But how 
many of the tenured professors you know would you classify as dead wood? What 
percentage? Is it high enough to constitute a vast majority?

That said, I like the idea of an academic's bill of rights and 
responsibilities... although the original bill left out the responsibilities 
part! I can see most academics endorsing the idea - but surely the code has to 
apply to administrators who run universities too, no?

Madhu
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Madhusudan Katti
Associate Professor of Vertebrate Biology
Department of Biology, M/S SB73
California State University, Fresno
Fresno, CA 93740-8034

Email: mka...@csufresno.edu
Tel: 559.278.2460
Fax: 559.278.3963
Lab: http://www.reconciliationecology.org/
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On Monday, May 23, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Aaron T. Dossey wrote:
Rather than a knee-jerk defense of tenure as a holy system/right, why 
 not accept that there IS a problem and consider alternatives?
 
 I have recently proposed replacing it with an academic's bill of rights 
 and responsibilities - a code for faculty including a list of reasons 
 one CAN'T be fired (like teaching controversial topics, being overtly 
 politically active, doing controversial research, etc.) and 
 responsibilities including a list of reasons they CAN be fired (poor 
 treatment of their employees/studentechs/postechs/staff, lack of 
 productivity, lack of general work ethic and not taking care of their 
 job responsibilities).
 
 It is a fact that tenure doesn't serve it's purpose - I know of no more 
 silent, pacified tight-lipped go along to get along group of 
 professionals I have experienced than tenured professors - so much for 
 tenure creating academic freedom. All it does is keep dead wood afloat 
 - protect tenured profs in cushy positions from having to mentor their 
 students, from having to work hard and try to make as many discoveries 
 and innovate as much as possible (even seek applications, marketable 
 ones?, for the fruits of their research God duth forbid) - WHILE 
 starving many OTHERS who DO have the passion, drive, talent and interest 
 in aggressively doing all of the bullet points of a prof's job 
 description, doing them well and doing a lot of them - from having 
 careers at ALL.
 
 It's a common problem in America: too much investment in too few, while 
 the vast majority languish, or are forced to serve those few. NOT a 
 recipe for innovation or a healthy system for science!
 
 Aaron T. Dossey, Ph.D.
 Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
 
 
 
 
 On 5/23/2011 10:36 AM, Ganter, Philip wrote:
  Aaron,
  
  I have read your recommendations for improving science funding. I 
  think you are taking a band aid approach to the problem. Peter 
  Lawrence has suggested a much more fundamental change which would, if 
  adopted, correct many of the faults addressed in your document and 
  might be a viable alternative to the current system. See:
  
  Lawrence PA (2009) Real Lives and White Lies in the Funding of 
  Scientific Research. PLoS Biol 7(9):
  e1000197. doi:10.1371/journal.pbio.1000197
  The heart of research is sick: a conversation with Peter Lawrence. 
   2011. Lab Science No.2 pp. 24-31
  
  I also think your dismissal of tenure is a fundamental threat to the 
  university system. I have watched as administrative incompetence has 
  damaged the careers of more than one young scientist. Tenure is the 
  only bulwark protecting academic freedom and shared governance (both 
  as defined by the AAUP) and it is vital for maintaining quality in 
  higher education. These institutional values are, in many instances, 
  the only means of making administrations accountable. Of course, with 
  academic freedom and shared governance comes the responsibility to 
  participate in governance. Although I have no data to back this up, 
  I believe that I have noticed a tendency for scientists to feel that 
  their only duty to their institutions is to get grants, do research, 
  and mentor students. Committee assignments are denigrated as a waste 
  of time. Tenure, for these scientists, is considered unnecessary as 
  the ability to bring in grant money is the 

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science in China? Washington Post.

2011-05-23 Thread Hamazaki, Hamachan (DFG)
I see nothing threatening about this.  The US has been attracted/buying 
away/brain-drain scientists from all over the world. This may have created 
the US/Euro/Western  centric perspective of science. Now, China is doing the 
same thing that the US has been doing.  And, influx and enhanced interaction of 
foreign/Western scientists with Chinese scientist may evolve toward 
'multi-cultural perspectives of science.  This, I think is a welcome news for 
advancement of science. 
 

Toshihide Hamachan Hamazaki, 濱崎俊秀PhD
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Diivision of Commercial Fisheries: 商業漁業部
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