Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-10-06 Thread ilonka zlatar
Dear Ecolog: My first post here, I was just following this conversation of the definition of ecosystem function.  From what I've read, many here think the ecosystem function inherently has some benefit to the ecosystem, and that the ecosystem can be either in a functional and desirable state or

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecosystem Function Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-10-05 Thread Wayne Tyson
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecosystem Function Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity Hi Wayne, The way to understand ecosystem function is to first clarify the question. Put in a different way the question is: What do ecosystems actually do? As organisms are required to answer

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecosystem Function Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-10-04 Thread David L. McNeely
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:54 PM Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity This has been an interesting conversation. Ecological functions entail putative benefits to some population or individual. It doesn't have to be a human population

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-10-04 Thread Ted Mosquin
want to know what ecosystem function is. Just a simple definition, no more, no less. WT - Original Message - From: Matt Chew anek...@gmail.com To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:54 PM Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity This has been

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecosystem Function Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-10-04 Thread Antoine C.-Dussault
, no less. WT - Original Message - From: Matt Chew anek...@gmail.com To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:54 PM Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity This has been an interesting conversation. Ecological functions entail

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecosystem Function Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-10-04 Thread David L. McNeely
, Antoine Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 22:30:44 -0500 From: mcnee...@cox.net Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecosystem Function Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Wayne, I thought we went through that, a bit back. Ecosystem function is what

[ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-10-03 Thread Matt Chew
This has been an interesting conversation. Ecological functions entail putative benefits to some population or individual. It doesn't have to be a human population, so it doesn't have to be anthropocentric, but that is the second most common centrism. Biocentrism and ecocentrism are generally

[ECOLOG-L] Ecosystem Function Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-10-03 Thread Wayne Tyson
Ecolog: I still want to know what ecosystem function is. Just a simple definition, no more, no less. WT - Original Message - From: Matt Chew anek...@gmail.com To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:54 PM Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

[ECOLOG-L] Ecological Laws They do not exist Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-10-02 Thread Wayne Tyson
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity Hello all, Here is the way I understand the meaning of 'functional diversity'. No endless statistics or fuzzy math required to muddy the explanation even more. The essential question is: what do organisms (individually and collectively

[ECOLOG-L] Fwd: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-10-01 Thread Nicolas PERU
at the SERCAL annual meeting. WT - Original Message - From: Nicolas PERU nicolas.p...@univ-lyon1.fr To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity Dear Wayne, In my point of viewn, ecosystem functions

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Fwd: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-10-01 Thread David L. McNeely
nicolas.p...@univ-lyon1.fr To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity Dear Wayne, In my point of viewn, ecosystem functions directly refer to how energy flows are shaped through ecosystem and how

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Fwd: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-10-01 Thread Nicolas PERU
@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity Dear Wayne, In my point of viewn, ecosystem functions directly refer to how energy flows are shaped through ecosystem and how they allow ecosystem to maintain by themselves (without human

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-09-30 Thread Ted Mosquin
. WT - Original Message - From: Nicolas PERU nicolas.p...@univ-lyon1.fr To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity Dear Wayne, In my point of viewn, ecosystem functions directly refer to how energy flows

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-09-29 Thread Nicolas PERU
- From: Nicolas PERU nicolas.p...@univ-lyon1.fr To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity Dear Wayne, In my point of viewn, ecosystem functions directly refer to how energy flows are shaped through ecosystem

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-09-29 Thread Wayne Tyson
AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity Dear Wayne, In my point of viewn, ecosystem functions directly refer to how energy flows are shaped through ecosystem and how they allow ecosystem to maintain by themselves (without human intervention this time). So, when we measure

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-09-28 Thread Nicolas PERU
:25 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity Hi Wayne, You can best visualize ecosystem functions in a paper written 10 years ago by De Groot and others, (Ref: de Groot, R.S., Wilson, M.A., Boumans, R.M.J., 2002. A typology for the classification, description

[ECOLOG-L] Ecosystem function definition Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-09-28 Thread Wayne Tyson
...@prodigy.net To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity Hi No (sorry Wayne I was not clear) my response was not to the 'Please describe function in ecosystems.question,' but about the 'but I have done

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-09-28 Thread Katharine Miller
Hi, I wanted to thank everyone for their responses and recommendations. Some of them were quite helpful and have got me thinking in new ways. With respect to the use of the Rao index, I didn't express my question very well. What I was really trying to discern was whether it was appropriate to

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-09-28 Thread Martin Meiss
Nicolas, Why would you restrict your interest to the flow of energy, and not include the flow of material, such as a nutrient like fixed nitrogen, or potassium? Martin M. Meiss 2012/9/27 Katharine Miller kmill...@alaska.edu Hi, I wanted to thank everyone for their responses and

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-09-28 Thread David L. McNeely
Finally, people are talking on my simplistic level, and I hope I can respond in a meaningful way. I say these things with the definite understanding that they may mark me as just an old, irrelevant fart in today's exciting world. It seems to me that ecosystems do two things, and that both are

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-09-28 Thread Nicolas PERU
Martin, You're perfectly right, this is was an oversight from my part and David gave a more general definition of my point of view (including flow of material). Now, if I go back on Katharine question, this is important to understand that traits are just a kind of proxy to evaluate

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-09-28 Thread ling huang
of functional dissimilarity between estuaries? Ling Ling Huang Sacramento City College --- On Fri, 9/28/12, Neahga Leonard naturalistkni...@gmail.com wrote: From: Neahga Leonard naturalistkni...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Date: Friday

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-09-27 Thread Wayne Tyson
to wander off the central, very basic question now. WT - Original Message - From: Juan Alvez To: Wayne Tyson Cc: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity Hi Wayne, You can best

[ECOLOG-L] Visualizing functional diversity

2012-09-26 Thread Katharine Miller
Hello, I have used Rao's quadratic entropy to evaluate functional diversity between a number of estuaries for which I also have a GIS database. I would like to be able to visualize which sites are more functionally similar across the region to evaluate patterns in dispersal, etc. I know it is