Re: One-tailed, two-tailed

2002-01-02 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
[NOTE: this is CC'd to EDSTSAT-L] Stan Brown wrote: ... Now we come to the part I'm having conceptual trouble with: Have you proven that one gas gives better mileage than the other? If so, which one is better? Now obviously if the two are different then one is better, and if one is

Re: One-tailed, two-tailed

2002-01-02 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:07:16 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stan Brown) wrote: Rich Ulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in sci.stat.edu: [ ... ] RUWe should not overlook the chance to teach our budding statisticians: *Always* pay attention to the distinction between random trials or careful

Re: One-tailed, two-tailed

2001-12-30 Thread A. G. McDowell
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I think I've got some sort of mental block on the following point. Can someone explain this to me, plainly and simply, please? Let me start with a sample problem, NOT created by me: [The student is led to enter two sets of

Re: One-tailed, two-tailed

2001-12-30 Thread Stan Brown
A. G. McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in sci.stat.edu: The significance value associated with the one-tailed test will always be half the significance value associated with the two-tailed test, For means, yes. Not for proportions, I think. (I wasn't asking about a proportion in my original

Re: One-tailed, two-tailed

2001-12-30 Thread Donald Burrill
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Stan Brown wrote in part: A. G. McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The significance value associated with the one-tailed test will always be half the significance value associated with the two-tailed test, For means, yes. Not for proportions, I think. Oh? Why not?

Re: One-tailed, two-tailed

2001-12-30 Thread Alan McLean
Hi Stan, This is sent to both you and edstat. Have you proven that one gas gives better mileage than the other? If so, which one is better? There are two points. The first is that you have not 'proved' anything - except in the most casual interpretation of 'proof'. What you have done is

Re: One-tailed, two-tailed

2001-12-30 Thread Stan Brown
Rich Ulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in sci.stat.edu: [ posted and e-mailed.] Ditto. On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:46:10 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stan Brown) wrote: Now we come to the part I'm having conceptual trouble with: Have you proven that one gas gives better mileage than the other? If so,

Re: One-tailed, two-tailed

2001-12-30 Thread Rich Ulrich
[ posted and e-mailed.] On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:46:10 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stan Brown) wrote: [... ] [The student is led to enter two sets of unpaired figures into Excel. They represent miles per gallon with gasoline A and gasoline B. I won't give the actual figures, but here's a

One-tailed, two-tailed

2001-12-29 Thread Stan Brown
I think I've got some sort of mental block on the following point. Can someone explain this to me, plainly and simply, please? Let me start with a sample problem, NOT created by me: [The student is led to enter two sets of unpaired figures into Excel. They represent miles per gallon with