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2000-04-20 Thread Thom Baguley
Robert Dawson wrote: As far as random samples are concerned: it is *very* rare for a true random sample, based on an equal-probability sample of the population to which the inference is intended to extend, to be taken. Say a researcher is studying the behaviour of humans. (S)he may take

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2000-04-20 Thread Jon Cryer
I thought everone knew there was a difference in Anatomy between male and female professors! ;) At 12:19 PM 4/20/00 +0100, you wrote: dennis roberts wrote: At 10:32 AM 4/17/00 -0300, Robert Dawson wrote: There's a chapter in J. Utts' mostly wonderful but flawed low-math intro text

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2000-04-18 Thread Robert Dawson
Joe Ward wrote: Yes, there occasionally were discussions in our Air Force research whether or not we were working with the POPULATION or a SAMPLE. As Dennis comments: | | the flaw here is that ... she has population data i presume ... or about | as | close as one can come to it ... within the

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2000-04-18 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:07:56 GMT, Charles D Madewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a working engineer and part time graduate student I do not even understand why anyone would want to do away with hypothesis testing. I have spent many, many hours of my graduate school life learning, reading,

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2000-04-18 Thread dennis roberts
At 03:37 PM 4/18/00 -0400, Rich Ulrich wrote: I don't know how well they handle real data, but (a) Dennis has seemed to fail this STANDARD, on certain hypothetical questions. However, I don't like those hypothetical questions, because it is too easy to pretend that they are something else. I

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2000-04-18 Thread Alan McLean
Spot on, Robert. Alan Robert Dawson wrote: Joe Ward wrote: Yes, there occasionally were discussions in our Air Force research whether or not we were working with the POPULATION or a SAMPLE. As Dennis comments: | | the flaw here is that ... she has population data i presume ... or

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2000-04-18 Thread Alan McLean
Hi Dennis, Robert's observation is 'spot on' because it is the way things are, rather than the way we would like to think things are. I (of course) agree that people writing papers should have some sense of proportion the claims made in their papers. Nevertheless, if you want to study the gag

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2000-04-17 Thread dennis roberts
At 10:32 AM 4/17/00 -0300, Robert Dawson wrote: There's a chapter in J. Utts' mostly wonderful but flawed low-math intro text "Seeing Through Statistics", in which she does much the same. She presents a case study based on some of her own work in which she looked at the question of gender

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2000-04-17 Thread Robert Dawson
- Original Message - From: dennis roberts At 10:32 AM 4/17/00 -0300, Robert Dawson wrote: There's a chapter in J. Utts' mostly wonderful but flawed low-math intro text "Seeing Through Statistics", in which she does much the same. She presents a case study based on some of her

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2000-04-17 Thread ssolla
Response embedded within message: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The way this world is --- A master's candidate, or a phD candidate, or a professor, or a working scientist, has put a lot into his project. In terms of time, in terms of money, and more

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2000-04-17 Thread dennis roberts
At 08:07 PM 4/17/00 +, Charles D Madewell wrote: As a working engineer and part time graduate student I do not even understand why anyone would want to do away with hypothesis testing. I have spent many, many hours of my graduate school life learning, reading, calculating, and analyzing

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2000-04-17 Thread Joe Ward
Subject: Re: hyp testing -Reply | | - Original Message - | From: dennis roberts | At 10:32 AM 4/17/00 -0300, Robert Dawson wrote: | | There's a chapter in J. Utts' mostly wonderful but flawed low-math | intro | text "Seeing Through Statistics", in which she does much the

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2000-04-15 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], bill knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dennis roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/07 2:46 pm === The way this world is --- A master's candidate, or a phD candidate, or a professor, or a

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2000-04-14 Thread bill knight
dennis roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/07 2:46 pm i was not suggesting taking away from our arsenal of tricks ... but, since i was one of those old guys too ... i am wondering if we were mostly lead astray ...? the more i work with statistical methods, the less i see any meaningful (at

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2000-04-08 Thread Jerrold Zar
Then, follow up your t test with a statement of the effect size and its associated confidence interval. ---Jerry Zar dennis roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/07 2:46 pm i was not suggesting taking away from our arsenal of tricks ... but, since i was one of those old guys too ... i am wondering